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posted by martyb on Tuesday February 04 2020, @06:33AM   Printer-friendly
from the Have-you-ever-read-a-book,-magazine,-or-newspaper?-Which-ones? dept.

Ars Technica:

Music-industry lawyers plan to ask potential jurors in a piracy case whether they read Ars Technica.

"Have you ever read or visited Ars Technica or TorrentFreak?" is one of 40 voir dire questions that plaintiffs propose to ask prospective jurors in their case against Grande Communications, an Internet service provider accused of aiding its customers' piracy, according to a court filing on Friday.

[...] Record-label attorneys also want to ask potential jurors if they "know what a peer-to-peer network is," have "ever downloaded content from any BitTorrent website" such as The Pirate Bay and KickassTorrents, obtained music or video from "any stream-ripping service," been "accused of infringing a copyright," or "ever been a member, contributor or supporter of the Electronic Frontier Foundation."

The full list of questions by each party were made available by TorrentFreak as pdfs:

Have you now, or ever been, a member of the Pirate Party?


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  • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday February 04 2020, @08:42AM (10 children)

    by c0lo (156) on Tuesday February 04 2020, @08:42AM (#953474) Journal

    But by stream ripping (saving permanently something you downloaded legally) you're breaching the EULA you agreed to by displaying the page!

    True (and sorta touche).
    But then you don't own the content, it was only licensed to you, under the conditions of your streaming provider contract (and very likely that "ripping" is defined as a no-no).

    Downloading it is the very service the streaming provider gives to you. As such, it cannot be defined as "illegal" without putting the streaming provided outside the law.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04 2020, @09:45AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04 2020, @09:45AM (#953498)

    Hmm, so you say people need to stick to stream ripping and not view the site itself as that would avoid facing the EULA...

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04 2020, @10:02AM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04 2020, @10:02AM (#953503)

    But then you don't own the content, it was only licensed to you, under the conditions of your streaming provider contract

    Sucker! Possession is nine-tenths of the law. If you let your damn stream cross my property, or router, it is mine, regardless. Streaming! Ha!

    • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday February 04 2020, @10:28AM (3 children)

      by c0lo (156) on Tuesday February 04 2020, @10:28AM (#953505) Journal

      Sucker!

      What's the legalese word for entering a contract with no intention of respecting it?

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      • (Score: 5, Funny) by TheGratefulNet on Tuesday February 04 2020, @03:11PM

        by TheGratefulNet (659) on Tuesday February 04 2020, @03:11PM (#953569)

        the word you are looking for is "republican"

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      • (Score: 2, Informative) by khallow on Tuesday February 04 2020, @04:06PM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday February 04 2020, @04:06PM (#953608) Journal
        Bad faith.
      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Chocolate on Tuesday February 04 2020, @09:25PM

        by Chocolate (8044) on Tuesday February 04 2020, @09:25PM (#953800) Journal

        "Rich'"

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    • (Score: 3, Funny) by kazzie on Tuesday February 04 2020, @10:50AM

      by kazzie (5309) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday February 04 2020, @10:50AM (#953507)

      No, don't cross the streams!

  • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday February 04 2020, @02:42PM (1 child)

    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday February 04 2020, @02:42PM (#953555)

    breaching the EULA you agreed to by displaying the page!

    There should be some level of commitment required by both parties in a contract.

    If I walk down a crowded street with a EULA on a sandwich board, declaring that anyone who reads my sign agrees to tithe to the church of the apocalypse and that breach shall be settled out of court for treble damages... is it any more binding if they shake my hand?

    Similarly, when buying a ticket to see a movie, after the ticket price is paid and the customer has been seated in the theater, what if similar contracts appear on the screen, how binding are they?

    AT&T pulled this kind of shit with their long distance calling card, about two years after I told them to get stuffed, they can stay stuffed.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04 2020, @09:28PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 04 2020, @09:28PM (#953803)

      Next time,stuff them with asbestos
      It's fireproof but oh so stuffy.

  • (Score: 2) by Mer on Tuesday February 04 2020, @07:08PM

    by Mer (8009) on Tuesday February 04 2020, @07:08PM (#953695)

    Youtube's a streaming provider. Not even talking about illegally hosted music on youtube, there's treasure trove of free music on VEVO channels.
    It's perfectly legal to download and listen to that music for free, even if you block the ads, both youtube and the rightholders are giving consent (and if they tell you you can't block ads, their words hold no legal weight). Corpos just want to have their cake and eat it too

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