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posted by martyb on Wednesday February 19 2020, @03:10AM   Printer-friendly
from the Captialistic-Voyeurism dept.

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/02/isps-sue-maine-claim-web-privacy-law-violates-their-free-speech-rights/:

The broadband industry is suing Maine to stop a Web-browsing privacy law similar to the one killed by Congress and President Donald Trump in 2017. Industry groups claim the state law violates First Amendment protections on free speech and the Supremacy Clause of the US Constitution.

[...] Customer data protected by this law includes Web-browsing history, application-usage history, precise geolocation data, the content of customers' communications, IP addresses, device identifiers, financial and health information, and personal details used for billing.

[...] The state law "imposes unprecedented and unduly burdensome restrictions on ISPs', and only ISPs', protected speech," while imposing no requirements on other companies that deliver services over the Internet, the groups wrote in their lawsuit. The plaintiffs are America's Communications Association, CTIA, NCTA, and USTelecom.

[...] The lawsuit is part of a larger battle between ISPs and states that are trying to impose regulations stronger than those enforced by the federal government. One factor potentially working against the ISPs is that the Federal Communications Commission's attempt to preempt all current and future state net neutrality laws was blocked by a federal appeals court ruling in October 2019.

[...] But while the FCC was allowed to eliminate its own net neutrality rules, judges said the commission "lacked the legal authority to categorically abolish all 50 States' statutorily conferred authority to regulate intrastate communications."

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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by fustakrakich on Wednesday February 19 2020, @07:39AM (12 children)

    by fustakrakich (6150) on Wednesday February 19 2020, @07:39AM (#959815) Journal

    Government merely suffers a lack of oversight. It's a voter thing. Violence is unnecessary

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  • (Score: 2) by RamiK on Wednesday February 19 2020, @09:18AM (11 children)

    by RamiK (1813) on Wednesday February 19 2020, @09:18AM (#959831)

    I'm not advocating a violent revolution. I'm saying it's the only way to get a functioning government right now. Personally I'm fine with letting things hit bottom naturally. It's why I'm a supporter of Trump over Hillary/Biden. Obama proved a weak left-wing president will just end up stalling and promoting corporatist polices anyhow since only those will pass an otherwise split house and congress. So you might as well just let the looniest right-winger sink the ship to justify the tax, campaign and socialist reforms that must follow.

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    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 19 2020, @02:36PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 19 2020, @02:36PM (#959860)

      Ah, yes, "'It became necessary to destroy the town to save it" approach. I can't seem to recall any instance where that was nothing more than a justification for covering up misdeeds or for justifying the failure to do the right thing.

      • (Score: 2) by RamiK on Wednesday February 19 2020, @08:25PM

        by RamiK (1813) on Wednesday February 19 2020, @08:25PM (#959989)

        I can't seem to recall any instance...

        That just means it's working.

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    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by fustakrakich on Wednesday February 19 2020, @05:32PM (8 children)

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Wednesday February 19 2020, @05:32PM (#959917) Journal

      I'm saying it's the only way to get a functioning government right now.

      On the contrary, you only have half the population fighting the other half. This is not a government problem. The government only reflects the people. Violence is nothing but a reset button, it doesn't replace the operating system, even its "undo" function is piss poor.

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      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by RamiK on Wednesday February 19 2020, @08:36PM (7 children)

        by RamiK (1813) on Wednesday February 19 2020, @08:36PM (#959994)

        The government only reflects the people. Violence is nothing but a reset button...

        Every single revolution and civil war begs to differ. The government reflects the economic and social dynamics. If the means of production are concentrated at the top, the government represent the top. Either by force like in fascism, or by default like contemporary USG. And the majority of the population follow along then as it is now since they can't do much about it.

        But again, letting it all fall apart until the top start targeting each other is preferable since it tends to have less casualties at the bottom.

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        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by fustakrakich on Wednesday February 19 2020, @09:05PM (4 children)

          by fustakrakich (6150) on Wednesday February 19 2020, @09:05PM (#960007) Journal

          If the means of production are concentrated at the top, the government represent the top.

          Well, yes, as they always are. Or more correctly, owning the finances puts you on top. And without finance there will be no war, revolutionary, or any other kind. And no war has ever been financed by anybody who doesn't want their money back. So, to pay off the debt, all the old policies go back in play. It's an ant mill. The majority of people follow along because of common peer pressure.

          And when the top starts targeting each other, we are the conscripts and the fodder. The casualties at the bottom are enormous, if World War 2 is any indication, a bankers war if there ever was one.

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          • (Score: 2) by RamiK on Thursday February 20 2020, @11:10AM (3 children)

            by RamiK (1813) on Thursday February 20 2020, @11:10AM (#960250)

            And without finance there will be no war, revolutionary, or any other kind.

            And no oversight. Voters aren't educated through donations and philanthropy. Investigative journalism isn't financed by advertisers. Revolution or reform, when the money is concentrated at the top, it WILL come from the top.

            And when the top starts targeting each other, we are the conscripts and the fodder.

            Again, I'm not advocating it. I'm saying it's unavoidable and the sooner things fall apart, the better it will be for the people.

            All in all, you drag it out too long and you end up like the Soviets with no pensions or bread as a few oligarchs take over what's left for themselves leaving the country shattered for generations. And getting there you'll have everything from gulags to purges anyhow.

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            • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday February 20 2020, @08:28PM (2 children)

              by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday February 20 2020, @08:28PM (#960429) Journal

              I'm saying it's unavoidable

              That's a very deterministic point of view. It doesn't have to be that way.

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              • (Score: 2) by RamiK on Friday February 21 2020, @05:43AM (1 child)

                by RamiK (1813) on Friday February 21 2020, @05:43AM (#960607)

                Deterministic?! If you want deterministic hire yourself a witch; I'm just your cook.

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        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Joe Desertrat on Wednesday February 19 2020, @10:39PM (1 child)

          by Joe Desertrat (2454) on Wednesday February 19 2020, @10:39PM (#960047)

          Every single revolution and civil war begs to differ. The government reflects the economic and social dynamics

          Unless the system is changed from within by informed, intelligent voters, the outcome of almost any revolution will almost certainly end up with the most violent, bloodthirsty, sociopathic personalities ending up in power.
          People are not really different from any other animals. If you have ever had a large fish tank with cichlids you usually end up with one dominant fish keeping the rest under constant threat of reprisal if they overstep their place. Remove that top fish and the number two fish takes over. That fish ends up being way more oppressive and brutal, where the first top fish would just display and frighten it away if a lesser fish strayed, the #2 fish becomes violently aggressive, chasing the lesser fish far beyond what is necessary for dominance (if there are no hiding places it may kill or injure the weaker fish). Humans are not really all that different.

          • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday February 20 2020, @12:37AM

            by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday February 20 2020, @12:37AM (#960095) Journal

            Humans are not really all that different.

            We are precisely the same. People from middle management are assassins! All those pent up feelings for revenge boils over.

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