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The Alt-Wrong have got themselves an Anti-Greta by the name of Naomi Seibt.
The 19-year-old German is a Climate Change Denier and Islamophobe. She is also apparently a member of and speaks to the far-right Alternative für Deutschland, an organisation associated with Brexit's very own Nigel Farage.
Apparently Seibt will be addressing the conservative CPAC this week in the USA along side Trump and Pence.
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No self-made man ever did such a good job that some woman didn't
want to make some alterations.
-- Kim Hubbard
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 27 2020, @06:13AM (10 children)
Speech of Greta [youtube.com]
Speech of Naomi [youtube.com]
Anti-greta doesn't make any sense. Greta relies on invoking her own emotion paired with emotional appeals, hyperbole, ad-hominem, and so on.
Naomi literally says "Do not create an ideology out of what a young girl has to say on a topic, regardless of the side she's on." "Do not believe every word I say unconditionally.. do your research and form your opinion on the climate change situation and on any other political topic." And she says that in a mature, direct fashion.
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An anti-Greta would be shredding crocodile tears and ranting and raving in an equal but opposite fashion of Greta. She does not do this. And indeed it remains stupid to listen to what a young girl has personally to say on such topics. But unlike Greta she tends to mention specific testable and, most importantly, *FALSIFIABLE* facts. For instance did the IPCC predict a third of a degree of global warming per decade from 1990? Have we had less, or more warming? Have we had more, or less, CO2 emissions than the IPCC was assuming for their models? If you're not aware of the answers here it's [Yes][Much Less][Much more].
If you'd actually stop to read the papers you site with headlines like 'Climate Models Have Been Really Accurate, Honestly!' you'll see that's only after they dramatically change the climate forcing assumptions. Climate forcing basically being how much human CO2 influences atmospheric CO2 levels. Turns out it's *way* less than we used to think, and there's no real reason to think we have it correct now either. We just keep changing the "constant" to fit observed reality which, invariably, has little to no connection to predicted reality.
But people don't personally look at these things, or even read the papers they site. They just rant and rave. And people like Greta fuel the hysteria by making claims we're in a mass extinction. It's very reckless and very dangerous. Charismatic speakers tickling people's emotions has a very checkered past, and one I think few people would ever support if they could somehow force themselves to have some degree of objective introspection.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 27 2020, @06:32AM (7 children)
You know, their illiteracy just outs them ever single time. It is almost as if a Republican Representative said that it "Besmirks" something, something. Misunderestimate. Going Rouge with the Refudiation. My Gawd, Republicans are dumb! Spelling, assholes, it is not just for bees!
(Score: 2) by Knowledge Troll on Thursday February 27 2020, @06:47AM (4 children)
That looks like an autocorrect to me. I've got plenty of liberal friends that don't carefully check what their phone is doing to their text input and send me stuff like that. I would not say they are dumb I would say they don't give a fuck and they know I'll understand the ambiguity.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 27 2020, @03:58PM (3 children)
There's your problem.
(Score: 2) by Knowledge Troll on Thursday February 27 2020, @04:31PM (2 children)
No not really because they are along the lines of classical liberals not neo liberal. Why would I want to give up my friends just because of political leaning? I teach them things, they teach me things. They are wondering if there is anyone in the Democrat party they can vote for. I don't have to worry about party crap because I was never a Republican and became independent quite a while ago.
I don't see why you would want to cut anyone out of your life unless they were so toxic they injure you.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 27 2020, @08:52PM (1 child)
I'm a liberal with conservative and libertarian friends, it is very easy when people can agree to disagree and not be toxic towards one another.
(Score: 2) by Knowledge Troll on Friday February 28 2020, @07:10AM
Three nights ago on the local ham radio there was a conversation between a Vietnam Vet and a guy who proudly says that he had the Communist Party help him find a doctor that would file the paperwork so he could dodge the Vietname draft. They didn't even get close to trying to kill each other once. They didn't even raise their voices.
These kids from the Internet don't know what conflict is.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 27 2020, @07:05AM
извините аристаркыс, я не говорю по-английский
(Score: 2, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Thursday February 27 2020, @04:05PM
Mmmm-hmmmm . . . you realize that typos don't make you look especially literate?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday February 27 2020, @02:19PM
Buuuuuut for all that...Greta happens to be right, and what's-her-face isn't :) And no amount of tone-trolling is going to change that. Facts don't care about your feelings, as it's been said.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday February 27 2020, @03:12PM
Mass hysteria is a thing. Look no further than the French Revolution.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.