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posted by janrinok on Sunday March 01 2020, @03:29AM   Printer-friendly
from the sick-and-tired-of-being-sick-and-tired dept.

Many nations have begun to take special measures to address the problem of the spread of the COVID-19 virus over every continent. It would be pointless to report the details of all such measures; they are limited to each specific country and liable to frequent change as the situation develops. The USA FDA (Food and Drug Administration) have carried out what they describe as a "Supply Change Update", see the link below, but for others we suggest using a bit of web-search-fu to discover a site more appropriate to your own area of interest.

Worldwide, newspapers and other media need to maintain sales and subscriptions — many tend, therefore, to sensationalize their reporting. This has two undesirable effects: firstly it can result in data being quoted out of context to support the report they are making and, secondly, it tends to stress the possible effects of the COVID pandemic, should it be declared as such. In a comment elsewhere, I reported 2 tables which contain the most accurate figures we can find from a reputable source. They indicate the vulnerability of people to the virus by age, and any links to comorbidity (as far as they are known). There is no doubt that the virus poses a serious threat but it is not the same for all ages and many deaths are attributed to a combination of COVID-19 infection and other pre-existing conditions. For the latter it has not be proven that the virus was the sole cause of death; it is possible that the person would have died anyway. As postmortems have not been carried out in the vast majority of cases, the figures are open to misinterpretation. The WHO (World Health Organization) stresses that they will be unable to clarify these findings for a long time to come.

As it stands, for a person below the age of 70 with no other medical conditions, the chances of dying from a COVID-19 infection is less than 1%. That is still a large number of people at risk and the implications for every nation are significant. It is, however, much lower than some of the figures that have been quoted in the press. The figures for people over 70 and with other conditions cause the rate to rise quite sharply, and I would suggest that we all keep an watchful eye on the elderly or infirm members of our family and friends.

The majority of people will only suffer mild flu-like symptoms and will make a full recovery. - janrinok

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Supply Chain Update

Coronavirus (COVID-19) Supply Chain Update:

As I have previously communicated, the FDA has been closely monitoring the supply chain with the expectation that the COVID-19 outbreak would likely impact the medical product supply chain, including potential disruptions to supply or shortages of critical medical products in the U.S.

A manufacturer has alerted us to a shortage of a human drug that was recently added to the drug shortages list. The manufacturer just notified us that this shortage is related to a site affected by coronavirus. The shortage is due to an issue with manufacturing of an active pharmaceutical ingredient used in the drug. It is important to note that there are other alternatives that can be used by patients. We are working with the manufacturer as well as other manufacturers to mitigate the shortage. We will do everything possible to mitigate the shortage.

Additional Information on Human Drugs

Since January 24, the FDA has been in touch with more than 180 manufacturers of human drugs, not only to remind them of applicable legal requirements for notifying the FDA of any anticipated supply disruptions, but also asking them to evaluate their entire supply chain, including active pharmaceutical ingredients (the main ingredient in the drug and part that produces the intended effects, e.g., acetaminophen) and other components manufactured in China.

Also, as part of our efforts, the FDA has identified about 20 other drugs, which solely source their active pharmaceutical ingredients or finished drug products from China. We have been in contact with those firms to assess whether they face any drug shortage risks due to the outbreak. None of these firms have reported any shortage to date. Also, these drugs are considered non-critical drugs.

We will remain in contact with manufacturers so that we can continue to assist them with any potential issues in the fastest way.

The report continues for several pages and covers a variety of issues relevant to the USA.

Coronavirus lessons from the 1918-1919 Spanish flu

As the threat of additional community spreading of the coronavirus in the US grows, at least some people are recommending large-scale quarantines in American cities. There is precedent for this with the 1918-1919 Spanish flu and evidence that it was effective at curbing fatalities. Cities like St. Louis, Kansas City, Milwaukee, and San Francisco implemented strict quarantines early during the spread of infections and experienced lower fatality rates than cities that waited to impose quarantines. The quarantine in St. Louis was particularly notable because it was one of the top ten largest cities in the US at that time. On October 5, 1918, St. Louis ordered a wide range of measures being proposed currently for mitigating the coronavirus such as closing schools and other public places and many businesses.

Coronavirus Outbreak: All the Latest Updates

Coronavirus outbreak: All the latest updates:

Hopes that the coronavirus would be contained to China have vanished as the first case in sub-Saharan Africa was announced in Nigeria, while number of infections continue to grow in Europe pounding stock markets amid fears of a global recession.

On Friday, the US State Department raised its alert level for Italy, warning Americans to reconsider travel due to the outbreak. "Many cases of COVID-19 have been associated with travel to or from mainland China or close contact with a travel-related case, but sustained community spread has been reported in Italy," the department added. Italy has reported 650 coronavirus cases and 17 deaths - the most in Europe from the epidemic that originated in China, which is by far the most affected country.

The US on Friday warned against non-essential travel to Italy, a top destination for US tourists, over the growing coronavirus epidemic. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention "recommends that travellers avoid all nonessential travel to Italy. There is limited access to adequate medical care in affected areas," it said in a statement.

In China - the epicentre of the deadly disease - the National Health Commission reported on Saturday at least 47 new coronavirus deaths, bringing to 2,835 the number of fatalities nationwide. >There were also 427 new infections, up from 327 the previous day, pushing the confirmed cases in mainland China so far to 79,251, and more than 83,000 worldwide. Of the total number of deaths, at least 45 were from Hubei, the epicentre of the outbreak. Of the 45 deaths in Hubei, 37 were from the city of Wuhan.

The US state of California has confirmed a second case of coronavirus. "Now we have a case who did not recently travel or come in contact with anyone known to be ill," Sara Cody, the director of public health for Santa Clara County, near San Francisco, told reporters. She said the second patient is an adult woman who is being treated at a hospital.

Two South Africans on board the quarantined Diamond Princess cruise ship have tested positive for the coronavirus, according to a state-run medical institute. "We confirm that these citizens are currently being treated in Japan and are in good care," said a statement by the National Institute for Communicable Diseases.

Three Confirmed Cases of Corona Virus in Washington State

Washington State Department of Health reports there are now three confirmed cases of Coronavirus inside the state: https://www.doh.wa.gov/Emergencies/Coronavirus with 1 case in King County and 2 cases in Snohomish County. Seattle is inside King County and Snohomish is just north of King.

ABC reports that the infections are of unknown origin and that more potential cases exist in the bordering state of Oregon.

A second case of COVID-19 with an unknown origin was identified in Santa Clara county, California on Friday, and two other potential cases of unknown origin were identified in Oregon and Washington state.

NPR calls Seattle the first confirmed case of Corona virus in the US:

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the CDC, has reported the first case in the United States of a new and deadly coronavirus. A resident of Washington state in the Seattle area is infected. The man had traveled to central China to the city of Wuhan, where the virus was first discovered. It has killed at least 17 people, and scientists now say humans can transmit the virus to one another. And as Will Stone from member station KNKX in Seattle reports, officials in Washington state are trying to prevent the spread of the virus, and also projecting calm.

My own analysis indicates that the symptom profile has changed as well from flu like symptoms to mild flu like symptoms or mild cold like symptoms and more specifically that fever is not mandatory any longer but I am not able to find sources reliable enough to include in a submission.

Three More People Test Positive in England

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-51684624

Three more people from England have tested positive for coronavirus, taking the total number of UK cases to 23.

Two of the patients had recently returned from Italy, while the other had come back from Asia, chief medical officer Prof Chris Whitty said.

The cases are from Gloucestershire, Hertfordshire and Berkshire.

It comes as health officials try to discover how a man from Surrey caught the virus, after he became the first person to be infected within the UK.

The man, who is being treated at Guy's and St Thomas' Hospital in central London, had not been abroad recently - unlike the other cases in the UK.

[...] Ten more cases of the virus in the UK in just over two days might raise eyebrows, but health officials say all but one can be easily explained because the patients have travelled from the most affected countries, including Northern Italy and Iran.

Since the first UK cases were confirmed in York - two Chinese nationals - positive tests have been recorded in the south of England, Derbyshire, south Wales and Northern Ireland.

Government's Mixed Messages On Coronavirus Are Dangerous: Experts

Arthur T Knackerbracket has found the following story:

“It’s really important for the U.S. government to be speaking with one common voice about these issues right now,” Tom Inglesby, an infectious diseases physician and director of the Center for Health Security of the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, tells STAT

That’s not happening. On Tuesday (January 25), a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) official announced that COVID-19 could start spreading at the community level in the US shortly and that if the outbreak did hit the states, there could be “severe” disruptions to daily life. The next day, President Donald Trump held an evening press conference in which he said he didn’t think an outbreak in the US is inevitable. “I don’t think it’s inevitable because we’re doing a really good job in terms of maintaining borders and turning—in terms of letting people in, in terms of checking people,” he told reporters. He did not mention a new disease case reported the same day in California that couldn’t be accounted for by foreign travel or contact with someone known to be infected.

In the same press conference, Trump contradicted his own health officials. He predicted that there might be just one or two more people who report being infected in the next short period of time, yet, minutes later, Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Alex Azar and CDC Principal Deputy Director Anne Schuchat both said that they expected the number of infections to grow. There are currently 60 reported cases of COVID-19 in the US. 

Earlier in February, Trump also said the spread of the virus could dissipate by April when the weather warms. While some viruses, such as the flu, don’t spread as easily in higher temperatures, it is not clear SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that causes COVID-19, is one of them. Government officials saying that the coronavirus outbreak is just like the flu isn’t entirely accurate, notes Ronald Klain, who oversaw the Ebola response in President Barack Obama’s administration. He responded to comments Tuesday by Chad Wolf, acting secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, in testimony before Congress. “The responsible answer [to whether the outbreak is like the flu] is ‘we don’t know yet,’” Klain said.

“Americans need facts and science—not reassurance that all will be well. The presidential press conference on the coronavirus pandemic was, sadly, a disappointment,” Arthur Caplan, a bioethicist at NYU Langone Health, says in a statement emailed to The Scientist.

Disagreement between the State Department and CDC about the decision to fly home 14 Americans infected with SARS-CoV-2 also led to questions about who was leading the effort to contain the disease in the US. The CDC recommended that the patients not be flown home from Tokyo after leaving quarantine on the Diamond Princess cruise ship, but the State Department overruled the recommendation, according to The Washington Post. 

Government messaging may become more consistent, as President Trump announced Wednesday (January 26) that Vice President Mike Pence would be coordinating the response to the disease threat going forward. Now, government health officials and scientists are required to coordinate any statements and public appearances with Pence’s office, officials tell The New York Times reports. That includes Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. 


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  • (Score: 5, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @04:40AM (10 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @04:40AM (#964770)

    This is God's punishment to those who don't support Donald Trump.

    The one statistic not quoted by *anyone* is that not one Trump supporter has been infected with COVID-19.

    So, my friends, avoid the wrath of the almighty and the pox he has brought down on those who don't support our dear leader!

    #Trump 2020 or die from Coronavirus

    You have been warned!

    • (Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Sunday March 01 2020, @08:22AM (2 children)

      by bzipitidoo (4388) on Sunday March 01 2020, @08:22AM (#964834) Journal

      There's worse things than death. You could have your balls wither and fall off from constant fear, and your brains eaten by zombies, yet still be alive, if that counts as being alive.

      • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @05:29PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @05:29PM (#964968)

        Didn't we manage to elect someone like that?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 02 2020, @04:03AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 02 2020, @04:03AM (#965281)

          Yes. It's my understanding that many of the people who voted for him suffer similar affliction.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @03:45PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @03:45PM (#964930)

      I heard it's only dirty Chinese and other people like that (not that I'm racist) who get it. Sleeping with animals, dirty, dirty, dirty. Why can't they clean their dark skin. Good clean people don't have anything to worry about. Dirty germs - if that's even a thing - should be kept out of our Great Country. #WALL

    • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @05:32PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @05:32PM (#964969)

      Let's hold massive re-election rallies for these people.

    • (Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Sunday March 01 2020, @06:58PM (1 child)

      by hemocyanin (186) on Sunday March 01 2020, @06:58PM (#965021) Journal

      LOL.

      One interesting thing, with the media beating the drums of death as hard as they can on this virus, if it turns out to not be that big of a deal (whether by luck or active measures), they just handed Trump a silver-plattered win. He'll thump his chest in victory over the virus.

      The media are retards.

      • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday March 02 2020, @01:51PM

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Monday March 02 2020, @01:51PM (#965462) Journal

        The media are retards.

        The harder they push the hoaxes and conspiracy theories, the harder it backfires on them when they fall flat. Trump's approval rating climbs each time, and that of the media falls.

        As the man said, "if they don't know that by now, it is because they refuse to learn."

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @07:20PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @07:20PM (#965034)

      Mike Pence, is that you?

    • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday March 02 2020, @01:49PM (1 child)

      by Phoenix666 (552) on Monday March 02 2020, @01:49PM (#965461) Journal

      My wife says this is an opportunity for Corona to market their beer as an antidote to the virus. To activate its properties, add a slice of lime.

      --
      Washington DC delenda est.
  • (Score: 2) by Knowledge Troll on Sunday March 01 2020, @04:46AM (2 children)

    by Knowledge Troll (5948) on Sunday March 01 2020, @04:46AM (#964772) Homepage Journal

    Q: Should I be tested for COVID-19?

    A: If you develop a fever and symptoms of respiratory illness, such as cough or shortness of breath, within 14 days after travel from China, you should call ahead to a healthcare professional and mention your recent travel or close contact. If you have had close contact with someone showing these symptoms who has recently traveled from this area, you should call ahead to a healthcare professional and mention your close contact and their recent travel. Your healthcare professional will work with your state’s public health department and CDC to determine if you need to be tested for COVID-19.

    But it seems this info is out of date as of time this was being posted because this next entry is no longer true though the CDC will call a state test only "provisional" until they confirm it again with their own test:

    Q: How do you test a person for COVID-19?

    A: At this time, diagnostic testing for COVID-19 can be conducted only at CDC.

    State and local health departments who have identified a person under investigation (PUI) should immediately notify CDC’s Emergency Operations Center (EOC) to report the PUI and determine whether testing for COVID-19 at CDC is indicated. The EOC will assist local/state health departments to collect, store, and ship specimens appropriately to CDC, including during afterhours or on weekends/holidays.

    Prevention and treatment:

    There is currently no vaccine to prevent coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). The best way to prevent illness is to avoid being exposed to this virus. However, as a reminder, CDC always recommends everyday preventive actions to help prevent the spread of respiratory diseases, including:

            Avoid close contact with people who are sick.
            Avoid touching your eyes, nose, and mouth.
            Stay home when you are sick.
            Cover your cough or sneeze with a tissue, then throw the tissue in the trash.
            Clean and disinfect frequently touched objects and surfaces using a regular household cleaning spray or wipe.
            Follow CDC’s recommendations for using a facemask.
                    CDC does not recommend that people who are well wear a facemask to protect themselves from respiratory diseases, including COVID-19.
                    Facemasks should be used by people who show symptoms of COVID-19 to help prevent the spread of the disease to others. The use of facemasks is also crucial for health workers and people who are taking care of someone in close settings (at home or in a health care facility).
            Wash your hands often with soap and water for at least 20 seconds, especially after going to the bathroom; before eating; and after blowing your nose, coughing, or sneezing.
                    If soap and water are not readily available, use an alcohol-based hand sanitizer with at least 60% alcohol. Always wash hands with soap and water if hands are visibly dirty.

  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by khallow on Sunday March 01 2020, @04:54AM (8 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday March 01 2020, @04:54AM (#964773) Journal
    Italy looks like it could possibly get its infections under control in a couple of months (there's some modest signs of slowdown in new infections), but I can't say the same for South Korea or Iran, both who still have number of new infections increasing at a rapid, exponential rate. My take is that we still have a chance to stop the disease in a few months, but it looks very unlikely to me now, particularly with cases from the secondary-infected countries traveling to other countries. Iran in particular has a lot of pilgrimage travel though I gather the heaviest period will be later in October during Arba'een, a holiday which sees more travel than the Hajj. And it sounds like disease has hit several Iranian officials who didn't have anything to do with health services which may indicate the disease is more prevalent than claimed in Iran.

    I think that we'll see larger scale economic/trade disruptions than what has happened to China so far.
    • (Score: 0, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @07:53AM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @07:53AM (#964821)

      Italy looks like it could possibly get its infections under control, . . . same for South Korea or Iran, . . . we still have a chance to stop the disease . . .

      Khallow, however, is still domed. Caught his corona from a rented backhoe. So sad, so fatal. We will miss him.

      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday March 01 2020, @05:06PM (2 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday March 01 2020, @05:06PM (#964955) Journal
        Did we catch you between accounts? I've always wondered what other accounts you have. Can't be just aristarchus and E-F now. Any of them any good?
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @09:00PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @09:00PM (#965073)

          First symptom of corona virus among Soylentils: incoherent posts that paranoically attempt to unmask ACs. That, and Knowledge Trolling. Quaranteen yourself, khallow!

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday March 01 2020, @11:40PM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday March 01 2020, @11:40PM (#965130) Journal

            paranoically

            Seems like that should play off of "heroically" somehow.

    • (Score: 2) by legont on Sunday March 01 2020, @05:18PM (3 children)

      by legont (4179) on Sunday March 01 2020, @05:18PM (#964960)

      Italy blamed high number of infections on testing and decided to scale it down - test only high risk people. Their tourist industry is 17% of GDP.

      --
      "Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
      • (Score: 2) by quietus on Sunday March 01 2020, @06:23PM (2 children)

        by quietus (6328) on Sunday March 01 2020, @06:23PM (#964993) Journal

        Source?

        • (Score: 2) by legont on Sunday March 01 2020, @07:17PM (1 child)

          by legont (4179) on Sunday March 01 2020, @07:17PM (#965032)

          It was on the same daily summary page https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ [worldometers.info]
          No, I did not check their sources.

          --
          "Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Monday March 02 2020, @04:48AM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 02 2020, @04:48AM (#965308) Journal

            Italy has now relaxed its testing criteria: contacts linked to confirmed cases or recent travelers to outbreak areas will not be tested anymore, unless they show symptoms.

            And they cite this source [adnkronos.com].

  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Sunday March 01 2020, @05:04AM

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Sunday March 01 2020, @05:04AM (#964776) Journal

    February 28, 2020 Instagram
    Dear Friend,

    Coronavirus (COVID-19) has garnered a substantial amount of national media attention in recent weeks. While as of today no cases have been confirmed in Florida, it is important that we take the necessary precautions and increase awareness of how to prevent infection.

    There are several steps you should take to prevent the spread of germs. The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) provides the following guidance on best practices that you can take to minimize the spread of respiratory illnesses, such as the COVID-19 virus:

            Avoid touching your eyes, nose, and mouth.
            Cover your cough or sneeze with a tissue, then throw the tissue in the trash.
            Clean and disinfect frequently touched objects and surfaces using a regular household cleaning spray or wipes.
            Wash your hands often with soap and water for at least 20 seconds. If soap and water are not readily available, use an alcohol-based hand sanitizer with at least 60% alcohol.
            Vaccinations - Stay up to date on vaccinations, including the influenza vaccine.
            Avoid close contact with people who are sick. Maintain at least six feet of distance from anyone exhibiting obvious symptoms.
            Stay home when you are sick.

    Additionally, while many believe face masks may help prevent infection, CDC does not recommend that people who are healthy should wear a facemask to protect themselves from respiratory diseases, including COVID-19.

    Facemasks should be used by people who show symptoms of COVID-19 to help prevent the spread of the disease to others. As a practical matter, if you are showing symptoms of COVID-19, you should not be reporting to work and should seek appropriate medical attention.

    If you believe you have contracted COVID-19, CDC recommends you stay home except to receive medical care, separate yourself from other people and animals in your home, and call ahead before visiting any medical facility.

    During the coming days, my office will closely monitor the spread of COVID-19 and send updates as needed.

    If you would like to receive infrequent updates on my work in Washington and in South Florida, including updates on the state of COVID-19, click here to subscribe to my newsletter.

    Sincerely,
    Debbie Wasserman Schultz
    Debbie Wasserman Schultz
    Member of Congress

    Had to think about that one, LOL. I got the email because I've fraudulently claimed an address inside of her district to contact her. In 2016 I had to tell her what a scumbag she is, and she hasn't forgotten me. Or, her computer databases haven't forgotten me.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @05:08AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @05:08AM (#964778)

    Good - its symptoms are mostly mild, particularly to the young and healthy. It can get nasty for the old with respiratory issues.

    Bad - it's hella contagious. IT IS coming to the pub near you.

    Thank you, CHICOM. Cocksuckers.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @05:14AM (7 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @05:14AM (#964780)

    South Korea has been mentioned in pass, while being the next after China, with over 3000 cases, many linked to a cult site. Hyundai stopped car production in one plant after one employee became ill. Lack of parts not helping either.

    Then Italy with over 1000 and some towns quarantined, worst hit outside Asia. There special measures have been taken for business, like allowing unpaid leaves or postponing taxes.

    Mortality in Iran is 43 vs 123, over 25% currently.

    Switzerland cancelled an important car expo.

    Some marathons are cancelled or "pro only".

    Multiple places all over the world are stopping production due to JIT meaning no stock of parts (from... wait for it... China), not just the SKorea mentioned above. While others are working non stop, like mask manufacturers (those that still exist outside China).

    Total: over 60 countries spread over 5 continents.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @05:17AM (5 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @05:17AM (#964781)

      Tokyo Olympics is kaput.

      Radioactive olympics is a sweet sweet glowing memory.

      • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Sunday March 01 2020, @09:42AM (4 children)

        by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Sunday March 01 2020, @09:42AM (#964848) Journal

        Tokyo Olympics is kaput.

        That decision has not yet been made. Three months ago we had never heard of this virus - we don't where we will be in 1, 3, 6, or twelve months time. You might be correct in your view, but it is not your decision to make.

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        I am not interested in knowing who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @02:02PM (3 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @02:02PM (#964878)

          "it is not your decision to make. "

          You sure about that?

          • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Sunday March 01 2020, @03:00PM (2 children)

            by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Sunday March 01 2020, @03:00PM (#964903) Journal
            You may decide not to go - but you cannot cancel the games. Others can, but I'll bet you can't.
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            I am not interested in knowing who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
            • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @03:49PM (1 child)

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @03:49PM (#964931)

              Are you seriously saying Anonymous Coward doesn't make the final call on the Olympics being cancelled?!?

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @07:55PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @07:55PM (#965047)

                Well, certain ACs may be the ones making the call on the Japan Olympics, and since all ACs are the same, the ACs will make the call. Do you have a problem with this?

    • (Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Sunday March 01 2020, @08:36PM

      by hendrikboom (1125) on Sunday March 01 2020, @08:36PM (#965065) Homepage Journal

      The Game Developer's Conference in California has been "postponed". as far as I know, they haven't said when it was postponed to.

  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @06:04AM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @06:04AM (#964790)

    Although the post seems to be a sensible summary, it doesn't stress enough the effort we must make to slow the spread of the virus.

    The reason is that as it spreads faster, fewer people will get decent hospital care.

    https://medium.com/@amwren/forget-about-the-death-rate-this-is-why-you-should-be-worried-about-the-coronavirus-890fbf9c4de6 [medium.com]

    Be careful out there.

    • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Sunday March 01 2020, @09:46AM (1 child)

      by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Sunday March 01 2020, @09:46AM (#964849) Journal

      We publish and discuss submissions - and we haven't seen any telling us that any firm plan has yet been decided and publicised. Sure, there is plenty of well-intentioned advice, but nobody has submitted the details of a National Plan for this situation.

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      I am not interested in knowing who people are or where they live. My interest starts and stops at our servers.
  • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @12:12PM (17 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @12:12PM (#964866)

    To prevent this from happening again, we only have to convince those backwards Chinamen that eating random critters is a bad idea. Chairman Winnie-the-Poo should declare all meats except chicken, beef and pork to be off limits, with the sale of any other animals being punishable by death penalty (which would have benefit of increasing supply of transplant organs).

    • (Score: 4, Touché) by janrinok on Sunday March 01 2020, @02:36PM (16 children)

      by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Sunday March 01 2020, @02:36PM (#964895) Journal

      except chicken, beef and pork to be off limits

      Don't try to dictate to people who might not have the same beliefs or opportunities as you do as to what they can eat.

      For example, in Europe, one is able to buy lamb, mutton, pigeon, partridge, pheasant, venison, grouse, horse, rabbit, goat, hare, duck, turkey, goose and more - all available from the local butcher or supermarket. There is nothing wrong with bushmeat, or kangaroo, or crocodile, or buffalo/bison, or alpaca, or elk, or ostrich, or ......

      You can stick to your plastic wrapped, supermarket food - people will eat what they have always eaten.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @04:38PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @04:38PM (#964943)

        "For example, in Europe, one is able to buy lamb, mutton, pigeon, partridge, pheasant, venison, grouse, horse, rabbit, goat, hare, duck, turkey, goose and more"

        Those are farmed animals, not bushmeat.

        Bushmeat IS risky - that's how some of the new epidemics came out of Africa. And this is the second time China produced and exported a new epidemic.

        • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Sunday March 01 2020, @06:02PM (2 children)

          by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Sunday March 01 2020, @06:02PM (#964983) Journal
          Pigeon, partridge, pheasant and grouse don't have to be farmed, neither do hare or rabbit. Hunters going to hunt! The farmers around here can often be heard organising shoots on their farms at the weekends.

          Bushmeat IS risky - that's how some of the new epidemics came out of Africa.

          I would love to see a citation regarding that statement. I can only recall a single epidemic that was proven to come out of Africa, and that was AIDS. However, it is possible there were others but I cannot remember it happening. And despite one type of bushmeat - monkey - being dangerous, there are many other types that are frequently produced and sold worldwide.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @06:15PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @06:15PM (#964989)

            Look up ebola.

            Both SARS and this SARS2 is linked to China's wild animal markets.

            • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Sunday March 01 2020, @06:35PM

              by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Sunday March 01 2020, @06:35PM (#965003) Journal

              Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola_virus_disease [wikipedia.org] Although it is not entirely clear how Ebola initially spreads from animals to humans, the spread is believed to involve direct contact with an infected wild animal or fruit bat. [...] Animals may become infected when they eat fruit partially eaten by bats carrying the virus.[79] Fruit production, animal behavior and other factors may trigger outbreaks among animal populations.[79] Evidence indicates that both domestic dogs and pigs can also be infected with EBOV.[80] Dogs do not appear to develop symptoms when they carry the virus, and pigs appear to be able to transmit the virus to at least some primates.[80] Although some dogs in an area in which a human outbreak occurred had antibodies to EBOV, it is unclear whether they played a role in spreading the disease to people.[80]

              I've looked at ebola - but nowhere does it say it was first passed to humans from eating the common carrier, the fruitbat. In fact, as the reference above indicates they are not sure how the transfer from animal to human first occurred. It could just have easily passed via droplets from the fruitbat's eye or touching the feces with an open wound, or via contact with another domesticated animal that is carrying the virus, the pig and dog both being mentioned.

              Both SARS and this SARS2 is linked to China's wild animal markets.

              Yes I know - but China is not Africa which is what we were discussing.

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        • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday March 03 2020, @08:36AM

          by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday March 03 2020, @08:36AM (#965910) Journal

          The bushmeat was in a separate sentence - that means it is NOT covering the previously named meats. However, the the bushmeat was included in animals that you might not usually consider but which are widely eaten elsewhere in the world. Look outside your own country...

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @04:49PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @04:49PM (#964946)

        I was going to object to the inclusion of bushmeat, because I had somehow gained the impression that it referred to ape/monkey meat. A quick DDG to check says it includes any wild meat, so they are included, but not exclusively. Still, I think we should not be eating our simian cousins.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @05:38PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 01 2020, @05:38PM (#964972)

        Let them eat Vegemite.

        • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Sunday March 01 2020, @06:39PM (1 child)

          by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Sunday March 01 2020, @06:39PM (#965005) Journal
          You southern hemisphere heathen - real men eat MARMITE! Did anyone mention Vi v Emacs, or Apple v Android?
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          • (Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Sunday March 01 2020, @08:42PM

            by hendrikboom (1125) on Sunday March 01 2020, @08:42PM (#965067) Homepage Journal

            Marmite is good in small quantities. Does that make me a real man? Or is taht [typo deliberately kept] reversing cause and effect?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 02 2020, @02:50AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 02 2020, @02:50AM (#965237)

          You can't get real vegemite anymore. :(
          All the pansy limp-wristed latte-drinking dolphin-molesting vegetarian poofters complained until they cut the salt to under 10%.

      • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday March 02 2020, @01:58PM (5 children)

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Monday March 02 2020, @01:58PM (#965465) Journal

        I've tried all those except bushmeat, alpaca, or pigeon. Crocodile is barely serviceable and needs to be heavily spiced. Buffalo and kangaroo are decent alternatives to beef. Venison and elk are less gamey if you go after those that frequent the grasslands instead of the mountains (different diets). Rabbit is almost always gamey but works well with tomato & onion sauces.

        I'm curious, though. What's the best way to prepare pigeon? There are a lot of them in NYC and I've often wondered how they'd taste.

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        • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Monday March 02 2020, @06:42PM (4 children)

          by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 02 2020, @06:42PM (#965596) Journal
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          • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday March 03 2020, @05:13AM (3 children)

            by Phoenix666 (552) on Tuesday March 03 2020, @05:13AM (#965860) Journal

            Awesome, thanks. The pictures look good. Have you tried any of these?

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            • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday March 03 2020, @08:32AM (2 children)

              by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday March 03 2020, @08:32AM (#965908) Journal
              Over the last almost 70 years - yes, but I have also tried many others. I am now at the stage that I do not have to follow a recipe. Treat it as you would a similar sized piece of chicken, but it has a much deeper flavour. Do NOT overcook it.
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              • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Tuesday March 03 2020, @12:11PM (1 child)

                by Phoenix666 (552) on Tuesday March 03 2020, @12:11PM (#965942) Journal

                Do you shoot them or trap them, or can one buy them in stores where you are?

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                • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday March 03 2020, @01:36PM

                  by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday March 03 2020, @01:36PM (#965955) Journal

                  They are easily obtainable from local butchers, supermarkets and village markets. However, in the past I have trapped or netted many of them.

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  • (Score: 1) by zion-fueled on Sunday March 01 2020, @02:28PM

    by zion-fueled (8646) on Sunday March 01 2020, @02:28PM (#964888)

    Hi, I have box of n95 mask. Will trade for virus. Positive test only.

  • (Score: 2) by SpockLogic on Sunday March 01 2020, @03:10PM

    by SpockLogic (2762) on Sunday March 01 2020, @03:10PM (#964909)

    With all the impending Doom and Gloom™ hanging over the future of mankind, I decided that for our Saturday night "Pizza and a Movie" we would re-watch Contagion. The 2011 movie about a worldwide viral pandemic that originated in China and results in millions of deaths. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1598778/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0 [imdb.com] My wife claimed that it would give her nightmares but no, she slept like a log. In the movie the US develops a cure and the world is saved.

     

    Prescient much?

     

    I am far more sanguine about our current situation.

     

    On the brighter side there is always the fond hope that some researcher will make a serendipitous discovery that cures Trumps Cranial Rectal Inversion. No, not a chance.

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