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Biden! Trump! Anyone but Sanders!!
Update:
Oh, I'm sorry. A link!
Update 2:
Looks like Sanders can call it a day. He lost bigly. Oh well... kind of expected it, didn't we? Those Biden states are Trump states anyway. Utah was a surprise, big spread there.
When Sanders is confidently out of the way after a few more states cast there votes, Bloomberg can then drop out, and just shovel money into the Party coffers.
With Biden as the candidate, it is uncertain what the democrats will campaign on. They have no platform that opposes, or proposes to undo the last decade, so it seems like there's nothing to do but just go through the motions and welcome four more years
Update 3:
As predicted Bloomberg dropped out, Sanders is no longer a "problem".
Well, that's it for the democrat side. Nothing left to do now. What can they possibly talk about? You are free to comment of course, but what's the point? We are where we started. Without a real independence movement, we can enjoy four more years of what the Party always wanted.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday March 03 2020, @09:16PM (95 children)
Some people prefer Bernie, other people prefer Biden, news at 11.
Maybe we should hold some kind of popularity contest to figure this whole thing out.
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 03 2020, @09:46PM (46 children)
This is why you get flak, you frequently skirt around the DNC corruption or play it off as totally-legit-no-fuckery-voting. Hmmmm.
(Score: 5, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday March 03 2020, @10:29PM (25 children)
And you frequently claim there's corruption but never actually provide any evidence for it.
(Score: 0, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 03 2020, @10:46PM (2 children)
OK BLOOMBERG
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday March 03 2020, @10:55PM (1 child)
There you go with the conspiracies again.
I turned in my Sanders primary ballot yesterday, just like I said I was going to.
I'm just not a child who thinks everyone who doesn't agree with me 100% is the pure evil.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @01:07AM
Because of 2016, because of the DNC changing the rules to let Bloomberg in the debate, because of the Iowa caucus that seemed like the same sort of shit happening all over again.
More eyeballs are on their convoluted process, but it is clear the DNC as an establishment has been working overtime to knock Sanders out of the ring. I'm glad you're supporting him, but you really should realize the DNC has been quite corrupted.
This is my 2nd comment, you're discussing with at least 2 people.
(Score: 0, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 03 2020, @11:01PM (16 children)
Deborah Wasserman Schultz was forced to resign after attempting to rig the nomination for Hillary?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday March 03 2020, @11:38PM (2 children)
(Score: 3, Touché) by Aegis on Wednesday March 04 2020, @12:34AM (1 child)
Correct, a conspiracy that is impacting THIS primary is the one we're looking for.
(Score: 2, Funny) by fustakrakich on Wednesday March 04 2020, @12:56AM
Like a fish looking for water.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 03 2020, @11:43PM (1 child)
Why are you so hung up on shit that happened years ago? Besides, Wasserman-Schultz was certainly entitled (as is everyone else) to support whoever she wanted.
Are you going to make some sort of fact-free claim that Clinton didn't win both a majority of delegates *and* millions more votes than Bernie Sanders in 2016? Go for it. It's a steaming pile of bullshit, but hey, have at it.
More to the point, that's sooo four years ago. Are you, like Charlie Brown [pinterest.com], "still hoping that yesterday will get better?"
Troglodytes like you are so trapped in the past, you couldn't accept the present if it came up and smacked you in the face.
Now, if you have something to say about Tom Perez [wikipedia.org], let's hear it.
Personally, I think he's ineffectual and one of the worst DNC chairs ever.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday March 04 2020, @03:58PM
Wasserman-Schultz's "crime" was that she said some mean shit about Bernie in a private email. That email was hacked and released.
She resigned after Clinton beat Sanders at the primary because they didn't want to alienate the Sanders voters.
The End
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday March 04 2020, @12:20AM (10 children)
She was forced to resign from one office, within the party. She still holds office as an elected official in the US government. I posted an email from her a couple days ago, with her official title and letterhead, "Congresswoman Wasserman-Schultz".
In the US, it often seems that corruption is rewarded, rather than punished. Did the Soviet Union actually beat us?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @12:29AM (9 children)
You'll need to discuss that with the voters of Florida's 23rd Congressional district. Given that she didn't commit an actual crime, that seems like pretty weak sauce though.
While you're at it, why don't you have a chat with Washington, DC voters about Marion Barry [wikipedia.org].
Or even better, why don't you do a nationwide tour and talk to the voters who elected these folks [wikipedia.org].
It probably won't do you a whole lot of good, but it might minimize the amount you're around here talking out of your ass.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday March 04 2020, @12:37AM (8 children)
Sorry, I forgot. Morals and ethics have no place in politics, or even in the justice system. She didn't commit an actual crime, so it's alright to reward her corruption. Ditto for every other dirty SOB in Washington.
So, uhhhhhmmmmmm - what is it that has the left hating on Trump, exactly? I'm afraid that you've just lost me here.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday March 04 2020, @12:48AM
what is it that has the left hating on Trump
He is sloppy and careless. He is exposing their world for all to see.
And there is no "left". That shit is dead
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @12:48AM
When your religion says the anointed one cannot lose, having her lose can cause a crisis of faith. Not surprising that turns to anger against anyone even appearing to speak against the orthodoxy.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @12:49AM
Like I said, you'll need to discuss that with the voters of Florida's 23rd Congressional district.
I don't live there. And my congressman (Jerry Nadler [wikipedia.org]) hasn't had any ethics/corruption issues. If he had, I'd have worked to vote him out of office.
You need to talk with the folks who are actually involved. And since most folks in Florida are illiterate, they're most certainly not reading your drivel.
Ha ha. I made fun of you *and* Florida at the same time! I rule!
(Score: 3, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday March 04 2020, @03:40PM (4 children)
Trump defenders pretending to care about morality and ethics is hilarious.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @04:42PM (2 children)
Yeah, like the DNC is any better. It's Party bullshit that makes finding a moral, ethical person so difficult.
Well, you got the devil you know. Indistinguishable from all the other demons. And now, you are going to preach about morals and ethics? Hilarious!!
(Score: 3, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday March 04 2020, @05:53PM (1 child)
Name the DNC people that have been convicted of crimes. 'Cause I can name a BUNCH of Trumpers.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @06:37PM
Since when do crooks investigate, try, and convict themselves?!
They net guppies and tell us they caught a whale. Don't be such a sucker!
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday March 04 2020, @08:24PM
You and all your left-leaning Ctrl-Left party need to clean up your act, if you want people to dump Trump. Your corruption is on display, more blatantly than Trump's bullshit. Do the impossible, and get that woman Marine on the ballot, and I'll vote D this time around. Damned if I'll vote Creepy Joe, or Bloomberg. Trump really is preferable to either of those. Kovfefe and all. Get Bernie on the ballot, and there's a pretty good chance I'll vote for him, despite the fact I don't like him much. He is preferable to Joe or Bloomberg. I could even force myself to vote for Pocahontas, if she were on the ballot.
Want votes? Clean up your act. Republicans in general rebelled against the party line in 2016, and so did a lot of Democrats. And that explains, in full, why Trump is living in the White House today.
And, oh yeah - dump some of those other lowlife SOB's you have in Washington. Pelosi, Schumer, that Muslim bitch, and at least a half dozen more.
Trump defenders? No, we're defending America against all of your un-American, anti-American scumbags.
You better offer SOMETHING for 2024, or you'll be looking at either 12 or 16 years of R presidents.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @03:15AM (2 children)
How about in 2016, when the media was adding the superdelegates to the candidates pledged delegate count, making it appear as though Clinton had a massive lead from the very beginning? You don't think propaganda is one of the useful effects of superdelegates to the DNC and its media cheerleaders? In fact, the mere existence of superdelegates is anti-democratic and evidence of corruption, regardless of the stated reasons for their existence. How about in 2016 where emails were leaked and they showed the DNC was in the pocket of Hillary Clinton and massively biased in favor of her? Or is that only a problem if they literally alter votes? How about changing debate rules to allow Bloomberg onto the debate stage after he donated massive amounts of money to the DNC and various state organizations? How about Iowa, which is going to certify demonstrably incorrect results and refuses to correct verifiable mathematical errors?
Just how much fucking evidence do you need that the DNC is corrupt? You can say the RNC is even more corrupt, but that does not somehow absolve the DNC of its own massive corruption. If you're progressive at all, reforming the DNC needs to be a major priority.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday March 04 2020, @03:28PM (1 child)
Because superdelegates voted in the first round in 2016. They changed that for 2020.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @04:04PM
Yes, and that's a clear example of corruption (to aid with propaganda), just like their mere existence.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday March 04 2020, @04:04PM (1 child)
The winner at the end of Tuesday's primaries will be the person with the most delegates.
California's 415 delegates have not been allocated.
Therefore, we do not know who the winner is yet.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday March 04 2020, @05:03PM
Hardly matters now.
And, as predicted, since Sanders is no longer a threat, Bloomberg has dropped out. Mission Accomplished!
So, now you got your Biden. Let's see him pull a rabbit out of his hat.
*sigh* Four more years. Damn internet doesn't do a thing.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday March 03 2020, @10:36PM (16 children)
Pop-civics-quiz: What role does the DNC play in today's Super Tuesday primaries?
(Score: 2, Informative) by fustakrakich on Tuesday March 03 2020, @11:35PM (15 children)
Smear campaign against one of the candidates.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 03 2020, @11:48PM (11 children)
Sooo...people aren't allowed to express their opinion? Is that what you're saying?
That's odd. You're certainly not shy about sharing your puerile opinions, Fusty. But that's okay because it's you, right?
But If anyone expresses an opinion you don't want to hear, it's a "smear campaign?"
Right.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @12:51AM (7 children)
Attacking the person is very different from attacking their positions. Even more so when your smears aren't even true or opinion.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @02:22AM (6 children)
Examples. Specific published "smears."
Let's see 'em.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @04:31AM (5 children)
How about: Bernie Sanders, a Jewish person, is anti-Semitic. Bernie Sanders is sexist. Bernie is personally responsible for the Bernie Bros, but not other candidates for theirs. The "Amendment King" was not a good legislator. Bernie is a Putin plant. I could go on, but those are the most obvious ones.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @04:39AM (1 child)
Publications. Dates. Authors.
Or if you can't wrap your head around that, who said those things? In what forum? When?
Dates. Links. Or you're talking out of your ass.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @04:48PM
We already told you. You're just not worth the effort. Evidence is posted everywhere. You just blow it off without even reading it, and then scream *TRUMP!*. Don't even know why you are here, unless it's to spread DNC propaganda.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @04:42AM (2 children)
Oh, and more importantly, evidence that this is, as you keep claiming, a "smear campaign by the DNC"
Evidence motherfucker. Do you have any?
Because there are many, many people other than the DNC who have reason to fear and are happy to disparage him.
So. I'll ask again. Evidence motherfucker. Do you have any?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @04:56AM (1 child)
Evidence motherfucker. Do you have any?
Back at ya! Still waiting for any evidence on your Russia/Ukraine-gate, any at all. You spent all that time and came up with nothing, nada, zilch... just another game of Chinese Whispers is all you got. So, please, evidence motherfucker!
Just looked at the numbers. They're running it nice and tight, just like last time.
Once again, the DNC says, "don't bother voting, you can't undo it, we won't let you".
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 05 2020, @01:56AM
???? I'm not sure I see the connection between what the DNC may (or may not) be doing to smear Bernie Sanders and Russia/Ukraine. Are you sure these two are in any way connected? Why couldn't you just provide a few links to show what you are talking about?
Well, sure. They started out with somewhere around a dozen candidates and now after a few primaries it looks to have narrowed down to mostly a two-man race (although Warren seems reluctant to pull out of it just yet). This is pretty typical of a Presidential election season. Why do you think this is so conspiratorial?
Where are you getting this from because I'm not seeing it. All I'm seeing is democrats voting in primaries then the results being tallied. Some candidates win, some lose. From the results candidates make decisions about whether they want to continue in the race. What are you seeing? Maybe you could provide a link to show us what you are talking about?
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @01:12AM (2 children)
There is plenty to complain about with fusty and his weird agenda, but in this case he is pretty accurate. The DNC is pulling out all the stops to screw over Sanders using the MSM and primary fuckery. That is why Pete and Klobuchar just bailed, to try and prop up Biden for the primary. A gay man is promoting a candidate who not long ago said he would never support gay marriage. True liberals those ones /s
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday March 04 2020, @03:30PM (1 child)
Wow, the moderate candidates who couldn't win dropped out and endorsed the moderate candidate? CONSPIRACY!!!!!
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday March 05 2020, @01:13AM
"Moderate?" *Sanders* is a moderate. The ones you're calling moderates are, on the scale of any civilized country, at *best* right-of-center-right. Bloomberg is Trump with better hair and a difference set of corrupt money connections.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday March 04 2020, @01:36AM
Two candidates! I forgot about Tulsi... That smear was particularly effective.
There is no doubt. Trump is cool inside the DNC. He's more democrat than Bernie!
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @02:15AM
Smear campaign? Huh? Some billionaires saying they don't want Bernie is a smear campaign? [nytimes.com]. That's like saying the hens are putting on a smear campaign against the foxes when they squawk while the foxes are eating them.
And yes, that's the link to the *actual* article referenced in your link to the green site.
And fuck you very much for making me go to that shithole to see the garbage you're calling a "smear campaign."
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @02:25AM
Come on. Give us just some of these "smears."
You're a pedophile douchebag. That's a smear.
You have a poor grasp of the issues and childish political ideas. That's not a smear. That's an opinion. It's also true, but that's a different discussion.
Well? We're waiting.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @12:12AM (2 children)
Evidence, motherfucker. Do you have any?
Thought so.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @05:26AM (1 child)
*cough* im-PEACH-ment!
Eeeww! Get any on ya?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @06:18AM
So a coronavirus and impeachment double whammy of stoopid?
Ok dooderino
(Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday March 03 2020, @09:53PM (40 children)
Nah, there's something deeper here that fusta did not elaborate on. It's not business as usual. There is a massive anti-Sanders fever pitch now that people have belatedly realized this could be the last day to stop him from getting the nomination. This can be seen in the op-eds, endorsements, etc. Here's some articles I pulled off Google News:
Bernie Sanders and the Establishment Red Scare Meltdown [archive.is]
Juan Williams: Democrats are doing what anti-Trump Republicans should have done in 2016 [foxnews.com]
Bernie Sanders is going to war with Democratic establishment [cnn.com]
A Republican Vote for Bernie Sanders [wsj.com]
Absent Sanders takes center stage at pro-Israel AIPAC [thehill.com]
Silicon Valley Leaders’ Plea to Democrats: Anyone but Sanders [nytimes.com]
Hillary Clinton responds to Sanders on delegates: 'Let's follow the rules' [thehill.com]
Capitalists Make Their Case Against Sanders [nytimes.com]
The Biden campaign was on life support a week ago, now basically everyone but Warren is backing him. Warren could drop out after today's results.
I have to find some of the articles I read yesterday, one of which was pretty funny. But in summary the argument is that Sanders the Socialist can't beat Trump, so the Party has to support Biden and defeat Sanders ASAP. The anti-Sanders vote was fragmented but a lot of it could go straight to Biden, e.g. only 5% of Buttigieg's supporters would back Sanders. Amusingly, early voters in some of these states have backed candidates that dropped out, but those votes can't be changed.
The really interesting thing to see would be #NeverSanders persisting even if Sanders clinches the nomination. Outright support for Trump, wasted third-party votes, etc. And I mean among left-leaning pundits, op-eds, etc., the same crowd that is urging support for Biden now.
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(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Tuesday March 03 2020, @10:23PM (12 children)
Yes, people are concerned that Sanders is too far left for the general electorate.
That doesn't seem like a far fetched theory to me. Although, I do disagree with it.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by khallow on Tuesday March 03 2020, @11:45PM (10 children)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @12:30AM (9 children)
Says the Trumpster diver. Heh. Heh.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @12:56AM (8 children)
On multiple occasions, Trump outmaneuvered Hillary from the left. He also ran with many populist planks, which he dropped once elected.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @02:04AM (7 children)
And that has what to do with khallow being a Trump cock-gobbler?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday March 04 2020, @03:05AM (6 children)
But if Sanders wins in 2020, everything will be upset for the DNC and those power brokers. They would have to kowtow to Sanders and even then probably end up on the outside.
Same thing happened to Trump. There were significant attempts to undermine his candidacy prior to the election with the Never Trumpers. Only when Trump won, did they changed their tune to get a piece of the action.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday March 04 2020, @04:32AM (5 children)
The DNC would have a really good setup for a sweep of the presidency and one or both branches of Congress.
Are you still assuming that Trump and the DNC are in opposition? Trump is every bit as much a part of the DNC as Clinton. Everybody is in denial about them being a matched set.
The DNC is just making sure we stay the course. Despite all the theatrics, we have not strayed.
The voters are out to prove that Plato is right.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday March 04 2020, @05:44AM
Trump wouldn't be an expensive middle man in that operation.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday March 04 2020, @05:49AM (3 children)
Keep in mind that Plato was a sore loser because he got on the wrong side of a political conflict. The outcome of that conflict (not just the execution of Socrates, his mentor) wasn't fair, but a lot of his philosophy comes from this grudge. Similarly, here in modern times we see the biggest detractors of democracy merely being the ones who can't get traction for their ideas with voters. Follow the interests!
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday March 04 2020, @06:02AM (2 children)
Even Churchill acknowledged a fatal flaw, in case it needs repetition:
Though he does acknowledge the failure to find anything better, in his mind anyway.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @06:50AM (1 child)
Churchill was a cunt who sent 10s of thousands of his own troops to a pointless death due to his own rank incompetence at Gallipoli.
Your hero, not mine.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday March 04 2020, @07:08AM
Where did I call him a hero?
You people are so goofy, so presumptuous... democrats UGH!
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @03:18AM
They're concerned that he'll implement, or at least try to implement, real change which will disrupt corporate profits and wealth inequality in a real way. The corporations and billionaires do not give money to candidates as a form of charity.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday March 03 2020, @10:46PM (15 children)
There is another service to the country Biden may need to perform [washingtonpost.com]
This is a little older than I thought, but still pretty funny. Don't pay attention to Bernie's performance in Nevada (occurred a week after that article). And apparently, he is polling well with black voters [archive.is] despite lamentations of the whiteness of #BernieBros. As we can see from Buttigieg's early win and Klobuchar's third place [npr.org], you can focus on a single state and do relatively well there.
Democratic Leaders Willing to Risk Party Damage to Stop Bernie Sanders [archive.is]
If Sanders gets a plurality but not the nomination, prepare for a second Trump term and more "soul searching".
Maybe it is moot though. I see FiveThirtyEight [fivethirtyeight.com] is predicting Biden will get more delegates, win in Texas, etc.
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(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday March 03 2020, @11:28PM (14 children)
"soul searching"
DNC "soul searching" will be more Russiagate.
I didn't find it necessary to elaborate in the journal, seeing the stories overflow the teletype. It's hard to miss. So I suspect those people are just hand waving.
Anybody who remembers Joe Lieberman's 2006 senate campaign will understand what the DNC will do if they cannot prevent a Sanders nomination. That is what Bloomberg's function is. The DNC prefers Trump to Sanders.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday March 03 2020, @11:41PM (13 children)
I think ppl would appreciate it if you pick at least one article to link when you post a journal like this. Just saying.
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(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday March 03 2020, @11:55PM (5 children)
Hmm, I never suspected that spoon feeding something so obvious would be necessary, especially with the news junkies here, but the target responded exactly as expected with the usual hand waving dismissal of the real reason why they can't *get out the vote*. I can put up a thousand links and it doesn't mean shit. It's just not worth the effort. They know the stories. They are just playing games.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 03 2020, @11:59PM (3 children)
And the story here being that you are trying to stir shit up by claiming that people expressing their opinion (unless it's you or something with which you agree) is some sort of conspiracy/smear/psy op?
Is that about the size of it? You're such a transparent moron, Fusty.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday March 04 2020, @12:05AM (2 children)
:-) Too scared to reveal yourself, eh?
You are welcome to crapflood to your heart's content. Please continue..
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @12:07AM (1 child)
I don't see a denial. You go, girl!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @01:14AM
I think I could script a fusty-bot in a few hours.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday March 04 2020, @03:08AM
(Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 03 2020, @11:57PM (6 children)
That's just crazy talk!
If he posted a link, it would limit his ability to move the goalposts. I guess you just haven't been paying enough attention to Fusty.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @01:18AM (5 children)
If he posted a link
It would be casting pearls to the swine!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @04:45AM (4 children)
I'm an empiricist.
If you make an assertion, it needs to be backed up with evidence.
No evidence, you're talking out of your ass.
It's real simple.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @06:32AM (3 children)
No "assertion" was made. It's an observation of the media attacks organized and financed by party donors and the party itself.
And going through the effort is redundant and wasted on people who just wave it off, dismissing it out of hand. They still won't address the links that have been posted.
We all know what the DNC is. There is no convincing the people who choose to stay in denial, despite any evidence covering over 50 years that has been posted many times by many others.
It won't bother me at all if you just turn your pretty head and walk away
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @04:40PM (2 children)
Your "observation" of opposition to Bernie Sanders doesn't include any *evidence* as to *who* "organized and financed" such activities.
Where is your *evidence* that this is an organized effort by the specific folks you mention?
Evidence, motherfucker. Do you have any?
I'd also point out that folks spending their money (political donations), expressing their thoughts (political speech) and organizing such activities (501c(3)s and other sorts of PACs) are perfectly legal.
Personally, I'd like to see completely publicly-funded elections without any outside money, but as things stand now, everything you're decrying is perfectly legal political activity.
Or are you saying that people shouldn't be allowed to express their political ideas and opinions?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @04:57PM
Evidence, motherfucker. Do you have any?
It's all there at your fingertips. Go make sweet love to yourself!
501(c)s exist to legalize tax evasion and money laundering. A rule created by thieves, for thieves. There's no reason for us to pay their taxes just because they stand on a soap box. Legal doesn't make it any less corrupt. Fuck them too!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 05 2020, @10:03AM
It's legalized bribery, yes, but still very much a form of corruption.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 03 2020, @11:54PM (6 children)
And folks expressing an opinion and/or a preference for or against a particular candidate is wrong exactly why?
Isn't that what campaigns are all about? Getting the ideas and candidates out there and discussing their relative merits?
If many folks are expressing reservations about Bernie as the 'D' candidate, what's wrong with that? There are plenty of people expressing reservations about Biden too. Should they shut up as well?
I think Bloomberg is an undemocratic piece of shit who only looked mayoral because he was slightly less of a scumbag than Rudy.
Should I be allowed to express my opinion? Should you? If the answer to those questions is 'yes', then why is it wrong or inappropriate for anyone else?
Let's hear it all out and let the voters decide.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Wednesday March 04 2020, @03:26AM (5 children)
The speculation is that the opinion doesn't match what's said. For example, I suspect that there's propaganda backing of the objections because certain parties are afraid Sanders might win rather than the claimed reason that he surely would lose.
Sure, it's fine to have an opinion, but is it equally fine to lie about the reason?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @04:47AM (4 children)
Do you have any evidence to back up your suspicion?
If not, you're just shitposting.
Which, coming from you, isn't at all surprising. Carry on.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday March 04 2020, @05:43AM (3 children)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @04:47PM (2 children)
Umm...how is folks expressing their opinions/preferences a "smear campaign?"
Discussing ideas and expressing opinions/preferences is what political campaigns are all about.
Why shouldn't those who don't support Sanders explain why?
I'll probably vote for Sanders myself (just like I did in the 2016 primaries), but I have no objection to those who think differently expressing their preference/opinion.
Given that you're so far up Trump's ass you can tell what he had for lunch, I have to wonder what skin you have in this game. My *guess* is that you'd like to see bitter division stoked among Democrats in the hope that will make it more difficult to unite the party once there's a candidate.
Folks expressing their opinion is fine with me, *even* if they disagree with me.
Are you against free expression? Or just when it suits your purposes?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday March 04 2020, @07:22PM (1 child)
By definition. After all, smears are expressed opinions/preferences, right?
Or maybe you're just faking being a Sanders voter. That was remarkably ignorant.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday March 04 2020, @07:23PM
Sigh. I meant the other way around. That smear campaigns are a subset of expressed opinions/preferences.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @05:37AM (3 children)
I find it interesting that at the time all the candidates who have no chances are dropping out, Warren is staying in. She doesn't have a chance in hell and I'm certain she realizes it. The same could be said of Bloomberg, but I suspect he still thinks he can buy the nomination one way or another. That, however, is obviously not true of Warren. I find this interesting because she's the only candidate who is significantly splitting the Sanders vote. I expect her to stay in til the end, and if somehow the DNC wins in November - I expect to see her getting a nice cabinet position.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Wednesday March 04 2020, @04:03PM (2 children)
Bloomberg just dropped out and endorsed Biden. Warren is evaluating her options.
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(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday March 04 2020, @05:12PM (1 child)
Bloomberg just dropped out...
Exactly as I [and most of the world] have foreseen. Sanders is no longer a threat.
We have been consigned to four more years.
This journal is dead. Back to the salt mines..
So, any bets on the Stanley Cup?
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 05 2020, @02:07AM
No longer a threat? CNN is reporting that Biden now has 509 delegates while Sanders has 449. I haven't seen the results for California yet with their 415 delegates. A total of 1991 is needed to avoid a brokered convention. It looks to me like this race is far from over. What are you seeing?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 03 2020, @11:36PM
Yeah, but where in the world are we going to find something like that on such short notice?!? [cnn.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @03:25AM
Extremely low-information voters who know absolutely nothing about policy or how other countries function and wealthier voters prefer Biden, for sure. This country is fucked if dementia-ridden creepy uncle Joe wins the nomination. Trump's brain is goddamn nonexistent at this point, but his followers are so culty that they just don't care. Joe Biden doesn't have such an energized following; he doesn't stand a chance.
It will be even worse if Bernie has a plurality of the delegates and someone else still wins the nomination. The Democratic party will be obliterated in nearly all races, including the presidency, if that happens. You can kiss 'vote blue, no matter who' goodbye in that case.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @03:27AM
So, nationwide instant-runoff voting and no delegates or superdelegates? Because the current anti-democratic system sure doesn't qualify as a popularity contest.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @04:03AM (3 children)
We're just picking who should get crushed by Trump. Does it matter?
Biden is probably more entertaining. He is almost forced to run, because that keeps the Hunter Biden prosecution really awkward. We have him on video recently talking about how he is running for senate (uh, wrong decade there...) or is in a different city than he is actually talking in. The bit about sniffing girl's hair, caught SO MANY TIMES on video over the years, is lots of fun. Oddly, he never sniffs black girls, and Asian girls seem overrepresented... is Biden a racist? Uh, yeah, we got that on him too, many times over.
On the other hand, Sanders is a commie with a failing heart. I'm not saying it can't be funny, but there is much less and it is all kind of sad. Do we enjoy making fun of a dying old man who own three houses due to socialism? Yes we do! It's only American to rip him a new one and tell him to go back to the USSR, which is where he had his honeymoon.
This is a stupid contest. I suppose we can't just cancel it, but it sure is pointless. The only way the democrats can win is if they nominate Trump. That would force Trump to run against himself, and Trump would be sure to lose. He'd also win of course, but it could be a democrat win.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @04:13AM (2 children)
https://twitter.com/katieglueck/status/1234973701847650304 [twitter.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @04:35AM (1 child)
He did that just today. He can't stop!
Also, today he mixed up his wife and sister. His mind is really going.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @06:34PM
Yeah, just like Clinton had Parkinson's disease [snopes.com].
You idiots are so predictable.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 03 2020, @09:37PM (8 children)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 03 2020, @11:32PM (4 children)
"able to move safely in public because fewer people have to resort to crime to sustain themselves" is not a property of leftist places. Corruption becomes extreme, at levels that are unfathomable to normal Americans. Physical security is also usually terrible, with a prime example being Venezuela.
(Score: 5, Touché) by catholocism on Wednesday March 04 2020, @12:03AM (3 children)
Yup, Norway and Denmark are terribly unsafe and corrupt. Those Scandinavian socialists sure are famous for empty shelves and mandatory bribes. Fuck off.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by catholocism on Wednesday March 04 2020, @12:15AM
By which I do imply that the Monroe doctrines logical conclusion has kind of systemically led to the failure of central and south american experiments in socialism not because it is on its face an untenable stand, but because it is an intentional policy designed to maintain hegemony not through an increase in american strength but a decrease in all the neighbors. Haiti's position in the world would not be what it is if we cut the tariff on sugar, or slashed the subsidy for corn. As the local economic juggernaut our trade policy is routinely weaponized. In the case of Venezuela not only have we attempted to coup 2/2 of their last leaders, we did it because of fucking oil. This is about profits and who gets to keep them, same as the British instigated U.S. led coup of Iran that's had such shitty results percolating since 1954.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @01:36AM (1 child)
Scandinavians had to back off from socialism half a century ago. This is because it was in fact crashing their economies. All that remains of socialism is an excessive welfare state, and even that is now threatened due to resentment against unproductive jobless migrants making huge families on welfare.
The same happened in the UK. After WWII, it went socialist. The economy was shit. Margret Thatcher fixed it, mostly.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday March 04 2020, @04:37AM
:-) You get a "funny" for the Thatcher gag...
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday March 03 2020, @11:52PM (2 children)
Sounds to me like a good argument that they are right.
Only of certain wealthy people. You are picking winners and losers with this scheme.
Fewer people would have to resort to crime with a stronger economy and more sensible laws about what should be a crime. For example, in the US eliminating the crimes of recreational drug possession and sales, prostitution, and gambling would clear up a bunch of jail space for people who are actual problems.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2020, @01:26AM (1 child)
1. You're an idiot who thinks individuals are free from giving back to the society that supports their growth.
2. You're still an idiot, this part is you being particularly dumb.
3. Oh good, something decent! Yes, removing recreational activities from the crime index would help pretty much everyone. Your problem is "with a stronger economy" because we've had 50+ years now of the conservative free-market mantra and trickle-down economics. It sucks, it harms the economy, and the only reason it has generated so much wealth for corporations is due to massive exploitation via globalization and the delayed effects of slowly crushing the local US economy. It was the desired outcome of those oligarchs, the funnel all the power and wealth upwards, hence why Citizen's United was passed.
So you're 3/4 for points, and the only decent point you made is dependent on flawed assumptions. Universal healthcare and education are key to creating a well educated and capable population that can generate more economic activity. Social programs to support those struggling to survive are also necessary to keep them from resorting to crime.
We need a mix of capitalism and socialism.
Humans need the opportunities to build their own future, aka Small Business. Humans also often need society's support to handle health crises and make sure there are no roadblocks to someone building a successful life. It is so blindingly obvious to many younger people since we've had the privilege of information access and rather limited propaganda campaigns. Most of the propaganda these days is simply done with advertising and hollywood movies to glorify the military.
Anyway, Sanders 2020 for a future that doesn't suck quite as bad.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday March 04 2020, @02:42PM
There are several unwarranted assumptions here. First, that I indeed thought the above. Sorry, that's a straw man. Nobody is advocating zero give back. But secondly, there is this unfounded assertion that businesses consume more government services than they really do, and more importantly that they somehow aren't paying for those services. For example, a generic US business doesn't need a vast military, or the huge sums dumped into Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid. That's half the US budget right there. Meanwhile the US and state governments have a variety of ways to extract money from businesses and their employees, meaning those businesses pay a substantial share of tax revenue already.
Third, let us note that people are employed by said businesses. That means as a result more tax revenue for your social schemes, and less demand for your social schemes. Fourth, consider that this is coming up in a discussion about a potential Sanders presidency. There won't be any support for business growth. Instead, there will probably be a lot of chopping away at that support.
Finally, consider that society consists of more than business owners. Are the rest of those individuals also obligated to give back to the society that supports their growth?
Sheer ignorance. Walmart benefits far more from such schemes than a maker of industrial pumps would. Large scale wealth redistribution doesn't perfectly return that wealth to where it came from.
Or in other words, you ignore the last 50 years of progress because it runs against your narrative. To the contrary, this "massive exploitation via globalization" has resulted in the greatest improvement [soylentnews.org] in the human condition in history. While the developed world (and the US) hasn't benefited quite as well (since they started with excessive cost of living and only made it worse over the past half century), it's still a big improvement over 50 years ago.
So when I speak of the economy or economic growth/improvement, I speak of something that has already done more than all the social programs of the world to help peoples' lives.