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posted by martyb on Sunday March 15 2020, @03:28AM   Printer-friendly
from the EEE? dept.

Microsoft's Windows Subsystem for Linux is coming to all Windows 10 users (archive):

You won't have to be a tester to try Windows 10's new, built-in Linux kernel in the near future. Microsoft has confirmed that Windows Subsystem for Linux 2 will be widely available when Windows 10 version 2004 arrives. You'll have to install it manually for a "few months" until an update adds automatic installs and updates, but that's a small price to pay if you want Linux and Windows to coexist in peace and harmony. It'll be easier to set up, at least -- the kernel will now be delivered through Windows Update instead of forcing you to install an entire Windows image.

Embrace, Extend... Excite!

Windows blog post.

Previously: Windows 10 Will Soon Ship with a Full, Open Source, GPLed Linux Kernel

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  • (Score: 0, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 15 2020, @03:49AM (9 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 15 2020, @03:49AM (#971474)

    To roll out a cloud Kubernetes cluster using Terraform and writing deployment scripts.

    WSL2 has been amazing so far compared to 1.

    I don't even regret having to upgrade to BETA windows to get it. (but will be going back ASAP)

    I know people will rag on it reflexively, but so far....

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday March 15 2020, @03:56AM (5 children)

    Well, probably. But most of us also know that we don't always get to pick which OS we're working on. Familiar, non-shitty tools at least make Windows slightly less painful to use. Now if they'd just get rid of the Windows parts, they'd have a pretty good OS.

    My rights don't end where your fear begins.
    • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 15 2020, @01:57PM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 15 2020, @01:57PM (#971558)

      Linux has shitty parts too where Windows beats it.
      I shouldn't have to explain this, but this IS Soylent News...

      • (Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Sunday March 15 2020, @03:20PM (3 children)

        by maxwell demon (1608) Subscriber Badge on Sunday March 15 2020, @03:20PM (#971572) Journal

        Where exactly (other than support by hardware and software vendors, which isn't an OS issue but a market issue) does Windows beat Linux?

        The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 15 2020, @04:37PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 15 2020, @04:37PM (#971605)

          Not him, but the most commonly mentioned (legitimate) downside vs. Windows is lack of in-kernel API stability.
          There's perfectly good reasons [] for this, to be sure, but that doesn't mean it's not a downside if you're unwilling or unable to get your driver in the kernel.

          • (Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 15 2020, @05:09PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 15 2020, @05:09PM (#971618)

            This is a feature, not a bug. If the driver for your hardware has a proper GPL2 driver that reached the quality threshold to be included in-tree with the Linux kernel, then, whenever a change is made to the kernel that impacts your driver, the folks making that change are responsible to fix your driver to work with the new interface. The original driver author need not be involved, at all.

            This works very well. Some shitty companies that are trying to bypass releasing the source for their drivers at all, let alone under a license that respects the freedom of the user, or folks like Microsoft who had to try several times to get their hyperV paravirtualized drivers accepted because the [lack of] code quality will complain.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 15 2020, @07:50PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 15 2020, @07:50PM (#971665)

          The most obvious is probably the graphics stack and kernel/driver interfaces for graphics.

  • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 15 2020, @04:56PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 15 2020, @04:56PM (#971612)

    Just love how some dickhead marked this off topic...

  • (Score: 2) by edIII on Monday March 16 2020, @01:57AM (1 child)

    by edIII (791) on Monday March 16 2020, @01:57AM (#971750)

    Well, of course we are going to rag on it. It sounds rather pointless to be using Microsoft in any capacity whatsoever. However, that extends to Apple too.

    Apple has its BSD, walled gardens, lack of privacy, lack of full ownership.

    Microsoft wants to have Linux, virtual walled gardens where the Win10/Linux is a glorified thin-client, lack of privacy, hardware lock-in so it comes with the equipment (MicrosoftProfitsSecuredBoot), and are trying to take way full ownership as we speak.

    So at this point in time, I wouldn't rag on Microsoft for the failures of its operating system, as much as I would rag on its future trajectory wrt consumer privacy, peaceful enjoyment of property, and ownership of hardware/software at the root of the security chain.

    I've absolutely no doubt what you're doing is pretty damn cool, and I'm sure Microsoft is coming a long way to supporting Linux devops on Microsoft devices. Maybe, if Microsoft weren't fucking forcing telemetry down my throat, Cortana in my household, and an all-or-nothing approach to Windows updates, and MicrosoftProfitsSecured hardware bullshit, I would still be using Microsoft.

    They were always a pretty damn nice interface. That's not enough anymore, and not enough to counter my loss of freedoms and ownership.

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    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 16 2020, @03:44AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 16 2020, @03:44AM (#971781)

      I'm still too leery of "embrace, extend, extinguish".

      That company has made a reputation that is not easy for me to forget.

      It's good enough for business, where it's really not all that important if it works or it can be trusted, but it's not something I would choose as a long time partner.

      I see it more like a one night paid stand.