SoylentNews is people
SoylentNews
A more plant-based diet without stomach troubles: Getting rid of FODMAPs with enzymes:
A plant-based diet is a good choice for both climate and health. However, many plant-based products, especially legumes, contain FODMAP compounds that are poorly digestible and cause unpleasant intestinal symptoms. A study by VTT and Finnish companies succeeded in breaking down FODMAPs with enzymes and producing new, stomach-friendly plant-based food products.
FODMAPs are short-chain carbohydrate molecules that are poorly absorbed in the human small intestine. These non-absorbed compounds move along to the large intestine, where intestinal microbes feed on them. This results in the production of gases that causes symptoms especially for those suffering from intestinal disorders, but also for many others. These problems are relatively common, as it has been estimated that the irritable bowel syndrome alone affects between 10% and 20% of the population.
Many foods containing FODMAPs are in themselves healthy and good sources of fibre, nutrients and vegetable proteins. However, those suffering from symptoms will often avoid these foods and miss out on their health benefits.
In a study funded by VTT, Gold&Green Foods, Raisio, Roal and Valio, VTT focused on two key FODMAP compounds: galactan and fructan. Galactan is abundant in, for example, legumes, while fructan is found in many cereals, among other things.
[...] "The study showed that enzymes also work under a variety of conditions and in different food processes. This is interesting new information especially for legumes, as there are currently no similar legume-based foods suitable for the FODMAP diet on the market," says Nyyssölä.
"The results are most likely to be utilised next in the development of new food items, but also in academic research in order to verify the effects on intestinal symptoms with certainty," he continues.
Journal Reference:
Antti Nyyssölä, Simo Ellilä, Emilia Nordlund, Kaisa Poutanen. Reduction of FODMAP content by bioprocessing. Trends in Food Science & Technology, 2020; 99: 257 DOI: 10.1016/j.tifs.2020.03.004
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 16 2020, @01:46PM (1 child)
Is this different from Beano? Just saw a note (sorry no reference) that for "tough cases", there is a new high strength version of the same enzyme, saves taking even more of the little chalky pills.
(Score: 3, Informative) by meustrus on Thursday April 16 2020, @04:45PM
Beano is mentioned in the journal article [sciencedirect.com] as one such enzyme, although there are several other FODMAP compounds that it does not break down.
If there isn't at least one reference or primary source, it's not +1 Informative. Maybe the underused +1 Interesting?
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 16 2020, @02:01PM (1 child)
President Camacho: Shit. I know shit's bad right now, with all that starving bullshit, and the dust storms, and we are running out of french fries and burrito coverings. But I got a solution.
South Carolina Representative # 1: That's what you said last time, dipshit!
South Carolina Representative # 2: Yeah, I got a solution, you're a dick! South Carolina, what's up!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 16 2020, @03:19PM
Thems FREEDOM fries pinko.
(Score: 0, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 16 2020, @02:19PM (3 children)
Instead of engineering more specialized things so that we precious over-eating non-excercising menial job-doing debt-laden depressed human beings don't get stomach ache after eating 5 cheap-ass burgers, how about we try to smarten the fuck up and stop doing useless shit? Hm?
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 16 2020, @03:11PM
Like posting barely-comprehensible rants on the internet that are, at best, vaguely reminiscent of the topic at hand?
(Score: 4, Insightful) by ikanreed on Thursday April 16 2020, @03:20PM (1 child)
You ever read the book Bullshit Jobs?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 17 2020, @07:45AM
(Score: 4, Insightful) by DannyB on Thursday April 16 2020, @02:20PM (28 children)
Meat is an indirectly stored plant based food.
I don't see how eating plant based food will divert the tornadoes away toward New Jersey.
People are omnivores, and have teeth designed for eating favorite animal we meet.
Young people won't believe you if you say you used to get Netflix by US Postal Mail.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 16 2020, @03:00PM (4 children)
> People are omnivores, and have teeth designed for eating favorite animal we meet.
And this justifies how much inefficiency in the food chain?
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Thursday April 16 2020, @05:06PM (3 children)
The food chain is quite efficient, and getting better all the time. It's so efficient, that you can get meat and vegetables from the other side of the world without it spoiling and at a price you're willing to pay. Read up on the history of containerized shipping sometime. It's fascinating.
The misinformation that radical vegans have been pumping out about our food supply defies simple logic. I wager not a single one of them has ever been involved in agriculture, animal husbandry, or shipping, or has even grown a vegetable in their own garden. It's all effete conceit.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 17 2020, @07:38AM
Effete conceit, and of course crates.
(Score: 2) by acid andy on Friday April 17 2020, @04:15PM (1 child)
Vegan here. I'm, like, totally radical, dude! I grow vegetables sometimes (albeit not particularly well) and I claim my 50 dollars.
Master of the science of the art of the science of art.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Friday April 17 2020, @08:17PM
Parsing error, acid andy. The premise said "radical vegans." By your reply you excluded yourself from that set.
But the wager was not denominated in dollars. Rather, it was soylentbucks, a virtual currency that will not exist until the year 2095.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Immerman on Thursday April 16 2020, @03:06PM (19 children)
Well for starters, growing 1 lb of beef requires ~10lbs of plants so you have to grow ~10x as many plants than if you ate them directly. Beef farming also produces massive amounts of methane, which is a far more potent greenhouse gas than CO2 - 50x the lifetime thermal energy retention per pound IIRC, before it photo-decays into more CO2.
We're omnivores, yes. But compare us to our wild cousins such as chimpanzees and you see that our teeth are far we're less optimized for eating meat, but we consume far more of it.
(Score: 0, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 16 2020, @03:13PM (4 children)
Your sanctimonious argument is spoiled by the fact that beef tastes 20X better.
(Score: 3, Touché) by Immerman on Thursday April 16 2020, @03:28PM (3 children)
Ah yes. Those damned sanctimonious facts getting in the way of a good time.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday April 16 2020, @07:02PM (2 children)
Very spicy plant based salsa is good on delicious beef in a plant based shell.
Young people won't believe you if you say you used to get Netflix by US Postal Mail.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 16 2020, @10:48PM (1 child)
Huh, usually chile rellenos are stuffed with cheese not beef.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday April 16 2020, @11:55PM
Because you don't need animals to obtain cheese**, right?
I wonder what's the efficiency of plant to cheese via cows nowadays?
** NB: I mean cheese, not soy curd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Thursday April 16 2020, @04:59PM (11 children)
Cows eat grass, which tends to grow on its own without human intervention. Humans can't eat grass, so the cows convert indigestible vegetable matter into tasty meat. Even the waste from the cows is valuable as a fertilizer. It's a very efficient process.
If cows don't eat the grass, great herds of bison, deer, elk, antelope, caribou, and many other species will. They will emit the methane instead.
Also, if you outlaw raising cattle, you will destroy many ancient, rich cultures like the Masai for whose way of life it is central. Why do you hate black people?
If you get rid of cattle, you won't have their milk either and that will wipe out most kinds of cheese. Will you please stop ragging on the French, Immerman?
Without milk, you also won't have ice cream. That will make the little children cry. Why won't anyone think of the children, Immerman?
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2, Touché) by jurov on Thursday April 16 2020, @05:23PM (4 children)
Please don't be ridiculous. Most cows don't eat grass anymore.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 16 2020, @07:09PM
Two points.
1/ It is mostly the USA that feeds corn to cows, due to the ridiculous corn subsidies. In the rest of the world they graze on pasture.
2/ Technically corn is a species of grass.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Phoenix666 on Friday April 17 2020, @04:44AM (2 children)
Please don't be ignorant. Cows eat grass until they get to the feedlot where they are fattened up for a few months before being shipped off to the slaughterhouse. Per Wikipedia [wikipedia.org]:
And cattle raised for beef production are what we're talking about, because "cattle produce too much methane!" is an argument spun off from the "Grrrr! People eat too much meat!" argument that vegans have taken up as their banner. (Personally I think that's a terrible miscalculation, because conflating veganism with environmentalism turns too many people away from fighting climate change, so low is vegans' collective Q-score; we can carry on eating meat perfectly well, but we do need to do something about CO2 levels in the atmosphere.)
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by deimtee on Friday April 17 2020, @05:46AM (1 child)
I am of the opinion that we don't. 210ppm was so low as to be a danger to the entire biosphere. If it gets as low as 180ppm everything dies. 400 - 1000ppm is probably a comfortable range*. If that results in a greenhouse effect that warms the planet unacceptably, then we should look at countering that as a separate issue. The simplest (not necessarily the cheapest) way would be to calculate how much less sunlight you want and deploy a reflective sunshade at L1 to block that much.
*Given how much it stimulates plant growth I very much doubt we will get above that. Warming increases evaporation, which increases rainfall. Combine it with higher CO2 and the Sahara will be a jungle before we have to worry about too high CO2.
No problem is insoluble, but at Ksp = 2.943×10−25 Mercury Sulphide comes close.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Phoenix666 on Friday April 17 2020, @01:12PM
Zip it, deimtee. (sotto voce) You're getting in the way of my scheme to mine carbon from the atmosphere!
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by PinkyGigglebrain on Thursday April 16 2020, @06:16PM (1 child)
another fact that gets over looked is that grass feed cows generate less methane than corn/grain fed, which is most of the cows raised for meat are fed. The corn makes them gain weight faster so it is a preferred feed in the beef industry. but it also causes major problems for the cows since their not adapted to eating grains, one of those problems is increased methane generation.
If the beef industry switched back grass fed, which is tastier IMHO, the bovine generated methane everyone complains about would be reduced.
Fun fact; there are ~90 million cattle in the USA, most of which are fed corn, and they are currently blamed for a lot of methane. Historically there were 30-60 million Bison on the great plains of North America eating grass, and yet there didn't seem to be any problems with global warming back then.
(Thank you for making the point that cows can convert plants that Humans can't eat, and that grow on land unsuitable for other crops, into something Humans can eat. I was going to make a similar post.)
"Beware those who would deny you Knowledge, For in their hearts they dream themselves your Master."
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Friday April 17 2020, @02:40AM
Corn is used for finishing. It's not used for growing 'em, which is the majority of the cattle's lives; that's mostly done on pasture, which is to say, grass.
Also, one bison equals two cows, and the peak estimates I've seen were in the 120M range.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 16 2020, @08:14PM (3 children)
So y'alls full of shit.
That would be all fine and dandy if farmers weren't growing said grass on prime agricultural land, instead of scrubland where not much edible by people grows. People can eat healthily with far less meat than you think they can.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by c0lo on Thursday April 16 2020, @11:58PM
And I can eat healthy with far more meat than you think.
So... what's your point?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 3, Informative) by Reziac on Friday April 17 2020, @02:36AM
And that's a load of shit. Crop ag is so much more profitable than animal ag, that everywhere that CAN be cropped IS cropped. Animal ag is mainly relegated to land that fails for crops due to poor soil, bad terrain, or inadequate water.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Friday April 17 2020, @04:09AM
Something tells me you're one of those who calls everything between the coasts of America, "Flyover Country."
Prime agricultural land is the American Bottom [wikipedia.org]. It is, appropriately enough, used for agriculture, not for growing grass instead. It is not cattle country. What is cattle country? Scrubland that's really only good for growing grass. Areas of Texas, Montana, South Dakota, and places like that.
You don't know what I think about the relative health of various diets, because I didn't tell you. I disputed the fatuous arguments against meat consumption and the cattle industry that are making the rounds these days with the credulous. You imputed the rest.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by inertnet on Thursday April 16 2020, @09:22PM
An FCR [wikipedia.org] of 10 is on the high side, it's more like 6. For pigs it's about 3 to 4 and for poultry around 2.
But you're right that most humans do eat too much meat.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Friday April 17 2020, @02:33AM
So, you're saying you plan to start eating grass? Cuz that's the majority of a cow's diet... and mainly from land that won't support agriculture.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 16 2020, @03:23PM (2 children)
I don't think omnivore means what you think it means.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Thursday April 16 2020, @05:07PM
I think it means "Chinese."
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday April 16 2020, @06:57PM
Maybe I meant cannibal. I will have to look it up.
Young people won't believe you if you say you used to get Netflix by US Postal Mail.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 16 2020, @03:03PM
I like to eat liver with some fava beans and a nice chianti.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 16 2020, @03:11PM (5 children)
Can't wait until St Greta the Grumpy hears about this new source of global warming.
(Score: 2) by Thexalon on Thursday April 16 2020, @03:38PM (4 children)
Vegans farting up a storm is still less methane than a steer.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 3, Touché) by Phoenix666 on Thursday April 16 2020, @05:11PM (3 children)
There are 1 billion cattle in the world. There are more than 7 billion humans. If we wanted to eliminate life forms for emitting methane then we'd want to start with vegans.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 16 2020, @07:15PM (2 children)
You don't even make logical sense, obviously we should get rid of meat eaters as needed since they consume more resources than vegans. But there it is again, facts and logic ruining the spite of old people.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Friday April 17 2020, @03:47AM (1 child)
And you failed to understand the premise of TFS, which was how to reduce flatulence from eating vegetables. Ergo, vegans produce more harmful greenhouse gases (methane) than meat eaters do.
Millennials never can do their homework, can they?
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 17 2020, @11:38PM
I'm embarrassed for you.
(Score: 2) by Thexalon on Thursday April 16 2020, @03:50PM (4 children)
Humans can absolutely eat plants. We've done it for all of our existence. And yes, that includes legumes: You think cave men (or chimps, for that matter) wouldn't enjoy a nice meal they can pick and eat quite easily without it trying to run away?
The thing is, selling plant parts for food isn't very profitable, while processing plant parts into, say, veggie burgers, is. So capitalism has responded to the push for a more plant-based diet with "Here's some heavily processed plant-based crap to replace your heavily processed meat-based crap!" And the processing takes out lots of the stuff that makes it easier for human digestive tracts to handle the item in question.
Also, if you just start eating these kinds of plants on a regular basis, eventually your gut fauna will adjust, and you'll start being able to maximize the benefit of eating them.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Thursday April 16 2020, @05:18PM (3 children)
Not as a staple. Anatomically modern humans have been around for 200,000 years, but agriculture (which makes plant-based diets feasible) was only invented 10,000 years ago. We're pretty sure pastoralism pre-dated that, which means relying on animal products. Hunter gatherers do eat roots and plants when they can get them, but digging out your food is a laborious task; meat is the big calorie score.
Vegetables are awesome for the huge variety of flavors and textures, but meat is here to stay.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Thexalon on Thursday April 16 2020, @06:13PM (2 children)
Eating plants has one giant advantage over hunting meat: Your food isn't able to run away from you or attack you. And sure, digging up tubers or picking berries or gathering nuts is work, but it's significantly less work and a lot safer than running down an animal. Plus, it's quite predictable: You go to the spot where you've found similar kinds of food in the past, and odds are pretty good there will be more of it to be found there. That's why if you look at hunter-gatherer cultures in places with a decent amount of plant food available, they tend to quite happily eat plants as their staple diet and supplement that with meat, rather than the other way around.
Also, you seem to have some dates wrong in your head, because farming started in a lot of places about 2000-4000 years before pastoralism.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday April 16 2020, @07:00PM
Soylent Green delivered to my front door isn't going to attack me or run away either. Mmmmm.
Young people won't believe you if you say you used to get Netflix by US Postal Mail.
(Score: 3, Funny) by aristarchus on Friday April 17 2020, @01:49AM
Here you go! https://i.pinimg.com/736x/2a/26/82/2a2682c0372d054f07ef727ee9220080.jpg [pinimg.com]
Early Vegetarians returning from the Hunt.
(Score: 2) by mcgrew on Thursday April 16 2020, @04:01PM (2 children)
Actually, I do eat a lot of vegetables, two or three times as much as meat, but far less than the Thais. They eat meat, but very small amounts of it, their diets are mostly based on rice.
Some vegetables give me gas that didn't use to when I was young, like cabbage, broccoli, and any kind of bean.
Carbon, The only element in the known universe to ever gain sentience
(Score: 3, Funny) by Kitsune008 on Thursday April 16 2020, @05:04PM (1 child)
Embrace that new superpower!
From this day forward, when you unleash that tear inducing, paint pealing, county clearing, window shattering blast of might and fury, take pride in your manly arts!
No more yelling at punks to get off your lawn, just blow them away, never to return.(at least until area declared habitable again, after several months post eruption)
You now have the power to end unwanted meetings at will! No more crowded lines! Turn those silly space-saving maze queues into deathtraps! REJOICE!!!
But if it's a case of bloating and discomfort, then, well, I guess limiting that manly power may be the best choice. :-)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 16 2020, @05:25PM
Coronavirus spreading flatulence of death.
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday April 16 2020, @04:44PM
That's not a bug, it's a feature!
In the right context, it can be a weapon...
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by meustrus on Thursday April 16 2020, @05:15PM (3 children)
This is very interesting to me as I have issues digesting many of these FODMAP compounds, so I'm doing a deep dive and seeing if there's any practical advice. I think there is; keep reading.
According to the journal article [sciencedirect.com]:
So the digestion of fructans, like are found in wheat, onions, and garlic especially, is aided by Lactobacillus crispatus [wikipedia.org], which is apparently often found in the vagina. Interesting.
(evidently, "The enzyme preparation is now commercially available by the name LOFO™, and is claimed to decrease the fructan content of grain products by more than 50%", but they appear to be selling the product of the enzyme, not the enzyme itself [lofopantry.com])
Further:
Makes sense. Heterofermentative lactobacilli include [sciencedirect.com]: "Facultatively heterofermentative (Group II) including: L. casei, L. curvatus, L. plantarum, L. sakei and Obligately heterofermentative (Group III) including: L. brevis, L. buchneri, L. fermentum, L. reuteri". These bacterium are commonly used in fermentation, so one might be able to ingest them from live cultures of foods like yogurt, cheese, saurkraut, pickles, and kimchi. However, many of these bacterium are also commonly found in the vagina [wikipedia.org].
So.
If what I'm reading here is correct...
To improve your digestion, you should eat more pussy.
If there isn't at least one reference or primary source, it's not +1 Informative. Maybe the underused +1 Interesting?
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday April 16 2020, @05:19PM (2 children)
Eh, your introduction needs work and the middle wandered quite a bit, but that is one strong conclusion.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday April 17 2020, @12:21AM (1 child)
I disagree. All the information there points to the strong hypothesis of: eating old pussies, with high and sustained colonization levels, may be a more efficient to rid yourself of bloating.
(Since I don't have such problems, I'll let you have the old ones and keep the younger for myself)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Friday April 17 2020, @05:01AM
Trevor Philips: "Older women should be appreciated, like a fine cheese. Sometimes the rind is the best bit."
Washington DC delenda est.