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posted by Fnord666 on Saturday April 18 2020, @03:21PM   Printer-friendly
from the welcome-to-the-Oasis dept.

Arthur T Knackerbracket has found the following story:

For most of human history, the way to get custom shapes and colors onto one's retinas was to draw it on a cave wall, or a piece of parchment, or on paper. Later on, we invented electronic displays and used them for everything from televisions to computers, even toying with displays that gave the illusion of a 3D shape existing in front of us. Yet what if one could just skip this surface and draw directly onto our retinas?

Admittedly, the thought of aiming lasers directly at the layer of cells at the back of our eyeballs — the delicate organs which allow us to see — likely does not give one the same response as you'd have when thinking of sitting in front of a 4K, 27″ gaming display to look at the same content. Yet effectively we'd have the same photons painting the same image on our retinas. And what if it could be an 8K display, cinema-sized. Or maybe have a HUD overlay instead, like in video games?

In many ways, this concept of virtual retinal displays as they are called is almost too much like science-fiction, and yet it's been the subject of decades of research, with increasingly more sophisticated technologies making it closer to an every day reality. Will we be ditching our displays and TVs for this technology any time soon?

[...] Naturally, the very first question that may come to one's mind when hearing about VDRs is why it's suddenly okay to shine not one but three lasers into your eyes? After all, we have been told to never, not even once, point even the equivalent of a low-powered laser pointer at a person, let alone straight at their eyes. Some may remember the 2014 incident at the Burning Man festival where festival goers practically destroyed the sight of a staff member with handheld lasers.

The answer to these concerns is that very low-powered lasers are used. Enough to draw the images, not enough to do more than cause the usual wear and tear from using one's eyes to perceive the world around us. As the light is projected straight onto the retina, there is no image that can become washed out in bright sunlight. Companies like Bosch have prototypes of VRD glasses, with the latter recently showing off their BML500P Bosch Smartglasses Light Drive solution. They claim an optical output power of <15 µW.

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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 18 2020, @03:26PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 18 2020, @03:26PM (#984570)

    What could possibly go wrong.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 18 2020, @08:32PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 18 2020, @08:32PM (#984670)

      I may eventually get these, but I'll be waiting a good long time before doing so, just to see what the effects of this technology is on the eyes themselves.

      In theory, this should be less damaging to the eyes that other methods that have been used for VR, but in practice, if they don't get it aimed correctly with an appropriate amount of light, there's all sorts of possible unforeseen consequences.

      It's best to just let other people beta test this before buying one.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @05:17AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @05:17AM (#984785)

      Did we learn nothing from Sword Art Online?

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by TheRaven on Sunday April 19 2020, @10:07AM

      by TheRaven (270) on Sunday April 19 2020, @10:07AM (#984809) Journal
      Lasers are just light and most people shine light in their eyes every day. People go out in the day and have sunlight hitting their retina constantly and yet staring into the sun can blind you. It's almost as if the amount of energy hitting (each part of) your retina matters more than the source...
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  • (Score: 2) by J_Darnley on Saturday April 18 2020, @03:27PM (2 children)

    by J_Darnley (5679) on Saturday April 18 2020, @03:27PM (#984571)

    Yet effectively we'd have the same photons painting the same image on our retinas.

    Lasers output coherent light. I don't have the impression that most display back lights (fluorescent tubes or LEDs) do that.

    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 18 2020, @03:43PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 18 2020, @03:43PM (#984575)

      Research demonstrates method to alter coherence of light
      In a finding that could have broad applications in optical devices, Brown University researchers have shown that they can transform incoherent light to almost fully coherent and vice versa.
      https://www.brown.edu/news/2017-10-18/coherence [brown.edu]

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @05:46AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 19 2020, @05:46AM (#984789)

        I can do the reverse. In fact, I'm able to drive anything and anyone incoherent.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by fustakrakich on Saturday April 18 2020, @03:33PM (6 children)

    by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday April 18 2020, @03:33PM (#984572) Journal

    Just hook up to the visual cortex. It's probably safer

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    • (Score: 2) by Tork on Saturday April 18 2020, @07:50PM (4 children)

      by Tork (3914) on Saturday April 18 2020, @07:50PM (#984653)

      Just hook up to the visual cortex. It's probably safer

      How do you propose we hook directly up to the Visual Cortex in a way that's safer than directing light into the eyes in the same manner that they're already operating under?

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      • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday April 18 2020, @08:10PM (3 children)

        by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday April 18 2020, @08:10PM (#984662) Journal

        Don't know yet. I just don't want this [youtu.be] to happen to my retinas.

        I think I'll wait for 3D color holograms that can be projected on top the coffee table.

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        • (Score: 2) by Tork on Saturday April 18 2020, @08:18PM (1 child)

          by Tork (3914) on Saturday April 18 2020, @08:18PM (#984666)
          I mean I get ya not wanting to burn out your eyeballs but unless I'm misreading your intent you're not moving to a different problem by sending electrical current through your nerves, never mind the obstacles in the way of reaching said nerves to hook up to.
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          • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday April 18 2020, @08:31PM

            by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday April 18 2020, @08:31PM (#984669) Journal

            Start with the right parietal lobe. Rumor has it I'll see god.

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        • (Score: 2) by takyon on Saturday April 18 2020, @10:59PM

          by takyon (881) <{takyon} {at} {soylentnews.org}> on Saturday April 18 2020, @10:59PM (#984702) Journal
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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 18 2020, @08:13PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 18 2020, @08:13PM (#984663)

      It has been done. I remember reading about a test case for it ca. 20 years ago. It isn't safer.

      In the future we'll engineer the cortical stack to be sensitive to different frequencies of magnetic waves in a clever way, so we can just put fancy skullcaps on and augment our brains that way. Sounds ridiculous but it's in reach, we could be making meaningful progress on it today... we're just squeamish.

      Otoh, messing with the cortex directly in order to provide sensory input is not an ideal situation. A recipe for migraines. But the nerve bundles we want to tap into aren't on the surface. C'est la vie.

  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Saturday April 18 2020, @03:39PM (4 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Saturday April 18 2020, @03:39PM (#984574) Homepage Journal

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIGaEHuCuAs [youtube.com]

    Normal looking glasses, unlike Google's offering a couple years ago. Well - for varying definitions of "normal", I prefer aviator's glasses, but these look pretty normal. Apparently, you can get prescription glasses, but I saw nothing anywhere about ANSI safety glasses. You could wear your smart device on the job, right in front of the boss. I don't guess you could get away with playing music though.

    Let it mature some, though. You don't want to be the guinea pig that finds out they can be shorted out in the rain, and burn your eyeballs out of your head!

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    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by takyon on Saturday April 18 2020, @04:41PM (2 children)

      by takyon (881) <{takyon} {at} {soylentnews.org}> on Saturday April 18 2020, @04:41PM (#984593) Journal

      Presumably, if you are beaming images into the retina, you could do a VR mode by just putting a shade on the glasses to block light.

      For any of that cool stuff to work, you need 1-2 front-facing cameras built into it. They seem to have hidden it into the corner of the frame (0:18). No conspicuous design, no red Borg LED that screams "I'm a glasshole!".

      It would be preferable if such a device worked without an internet connection. It should use something like 3DSoC to deliver a lot of local processing power. It looks like they have an ARM chip that is about 50mm2 on it (2:30), which is plenty of die area. They could even make the frame a little wider/thicker without compromising the appearance. Putting a minimum of 1 TB of storage in a device like this would be easy, especially a few years from now.

      I don't guess you could get away with playing music though.

      It could connect to hidden wireless earbuds, though I have never liked any earbuds that I've tried. And you'll still get caught if you zone out and someone asks you a question.

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      • (Score: 1) by anubi on Saturday April 18 2020, @08:20PM (1 child)

        by anubi (2828) on Saturday April 18 2020, @08:20PM (#984667) Journal

        Why not a Miracast connection?

        Cast screen to it?

        Main problem I see is power. Miracast tech is not micropower (yet).

        Course, Google will want Chromecast. I really don't want my stuff coming off the cloud.

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        • (Score: 2) by takyon on Sunday April 19 2020, @06:42PM

          by takyon (881) <{takyon} {at} {soylentnews.org}> on Sunday April 19 2020, @06:42PM (#984872) Journal

          Is "micropower" needed? Google Glass Enterprise Edition came with dual-band 802.11n/ac Wi-Fi, and a 780 mAh battery (increased to 820 mAh with Edition 2).

          That could be a larger battery than other smartglasses prototypes, but I don't see why Miracast couldn't be supported. The chips you see in that Bosch prototype/concept are pretty much the same as those found in a smartphone. One of them looks roughly 50mm2, and an 8-core Snapdragon 855 is 73.27 mm2.

          If high bandwidth wireless standards remain battery guzzlers, the only way forward is to increase battery energy density.

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    • (Score: 3, Funny) by rigrig on Saturday April 18 2020, @08:25PM

      by rigrig (5129) Subscriber Badge <soylentnews@tubul.net> on Saturday April 18 2020, @08:25PM (#984668) Homepage

      Heh, "Stay Focused" it says.
      And then it shows how awesome it is for random distractions to pop right into your face while driving, and how you can organize your calendar during the boring bits of a conversation without it being too obvious.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 18 2020, @04:28PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 18 2020, @04:28PM (#984587)

    *OMG* i hope it doesn't require windows drivers...
    also would be cool if you could spot a camera somewhere and double tap the frame to see what the camera is seeing ...

  • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Saturday April 18 2020, @04:52PM

    by Thexalon (636) Subscriber Badge on Saturday April 18 2020, @04:52PM (#984600)

    Introducing the new eyePhone [youtube.com].

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  • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 18 2020, @05:08PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 18 2020, @05:08PM (#984609)

    Would like to see it hooked up to this [soylentnews.org].

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 18 2020, @05:11PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 18 2020, @05:11PM (#984611)

    I have enough lasers hitting my eyes to save my sight. My glasses are too thick already. I have prism errors also.

    So how are they going handle ALL the various eye conditions to over come to sync the sizes between eyes.

    This is just a bad idea

  • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 18 2020, @07:51PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 18 2020, @07:51PM (#984654)

    I don't know what they're doing, but after each eye check, my vision worsens. I never had this problem prior to going to the eye doctor.

    Do I have a reason to complain or am I just stupid?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 18 2020, @08:14PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 18 2020, @08:14PM (#984664)

      Yes

  • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Saturday April 18 2020, @10:18PM (1 child)

    by acid andy (1683) Subscriber Badge on Saturday April 18 2020, @10:18PM (#984695) Homepage Journal

    I know some CRTs would get brighter as they aged. Also failing car voltage regulators could cause a higher voltage output. I hope whatever circuitry powers these lasers doesn't have a similar mode of failure into retina-burning levels of brightness!

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    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by crafoo on Saturday April 18 2020, @11:03PM

      by crafoo (6639) on Saturday April 18 2020, @11:03PM (#984703)

      looks like from the story they are using a MEMS mirror array (like the TI chips in early 2000s rear projection TVs). They could, and probably do, make it fail-safe mechanically at the mirror array and also by optically limiting the power density possible at the retina. Both by the maximum possible power output of the lasers and by the selection of optical components to form the image at the retina.

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