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From User #3566 in https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=20/05/02/0037247
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An open question.
What could/should be done to prevent these shenanigans in the future?
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Your question is why I wrote this book and wrote here all of last year, so it is ironic to to me anyone even needs to ask.
https://jmichaelhudson.net/rated-soylent-comments/ [jmichaelhudson.net]
https://archive.is/FHpOa [archive.is]
And I also wrote essays and put them into a book:
https://leanpub.com/mentalselfdefense [leanpub.com]
This will warn and instruct all civilians on the depth and sophistication of efforts by various state and corporate actors to infiltrate and disintegrate all effective civilian organizations, while using their remaining air of legitimacy, even in the obvious absence of it, to endorse other tyrannical measures.
Read my comments here: https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/44gq/saidit_has_the_chance_to_become_a_free_speech/ [saidit.net]
That is the way forward, I have been saying this for nearly 20 years and I am not changing my tune, everything has only further proven I was right when I got my degree in 2001. We need to accept that mediation and moderation and administration of forums is at this point not a hobby or volunteer effort, but legitimate, necessary-for-survival element of human governance, and recognize that this costs money.
Also that the people who have a billion dollars to ruin .org clearly have too much money they do not deserve, so the money is there, we just need to move it to where it will solve problems rather than create them(or build the entire internet into a tyrannical control mechanism for a tiny handful of https://archive.is/2MFbn [archive.is] to turn the world into an even worse place.
Roberts rules of order need to be updated, digitized, and secured, as do voting, or the internet is going to plunge us into a regressive dark age, which is really what is being threatened at the moment. And what spooky silver spoon jackasses like erik brooks either do not understand, or understand all too well.
I mean, he should a strong background to grasp these concepts after managing children's musical concerts, right? /s
Or you can consider the ideas of someone like myself, who was talking about this at the very beginning when people thought it would all just sort itself out somehow and we would never face a scenario where the entire world could not figure out who to trust on the matter of a pandemic.
(and the greatest enabler of computer viruses was for some reason suddenly the global authority on biological viruses...)
Meanwhile the most popular *dialogue* in the history of the world got 1 million live views for a simple conversation, and the most famous internet company is outright censoring the participants without even have to justify their actions.
And you will also notice archive.is came under attack this week for daring to make things that cannot be censored.
You tell me how far we have come, but to me it looks like backwards.
When you get stuck, you have to question your assumptions. And the entire premise of your question is just that, so maybe you should consider the ideas of people like me who have been singing the same tune from the beginning and saw all of this coming.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday May 05 2020, @01:28PM (11 children)
As I wrote in reply, decentralize DNS. Not my idea (seen discussion of it in somebody's journal which I can't find), but it works. .org would no longer be a massive food source for a would-be rent-seeker, if a lot of parties were splitting the pie. Presently, since ICANN is the sole controlling entity, it'll continue to be a huge target for these games.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 05 2020, @03:17PM (1 child)
https://soylentnews.org/~exaeta/journal/4801 [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday May 05 2020, @04:02PM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 06 2020, @08:12AM (5 children)
What are you willing to give up for your decentralized DNS? Will it be the human-meaningful aspect of the names or their security against malicious actors?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 06 2020, @09:54AM (2 children)
Human meaningful names don't matter. You can just use bookmarks or URLs.
Security doesn't matter. Just don't use JS or login to anything.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 06 2020, @08:27PM (1 child)
And how am I supposed to tell my bank from another website? What about advertisements? I can't tell my neighbor to go to SN if there is not soylentnews.org but https://1082774087r8ffas9d078709fodfh.50798709s87fxvuhofhowueho4h/ instead. Or Google, Reddit, and Facebook decide to blacklist all links to a location, basically your gone for most of the internet in that case.
And security doesn't matter? What? Without security, you can't be sure that a name sends you where it is supposed to. A bad actor poisons your cache, you are screwed without some security measure. Or a compromised network, etc. Security is the only thing that allows you to trust the name resolution at all!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 07 2020, @05:48AM
Alternative DNS isn't for using your bank. It's for sites that would be completely censored.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday May 06 2020, @12:58PM (1 child)
How secure is present day DNS again? You already don't know if DNS is connecting you to the right party for various reasons.
And human-meaningful names still would happen, they just wouldn't be dished out by a central authority which could dish out Ethos-style rent seeking monopolies.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 06 2020, @08:15PM
With DNSSEC, short of a root compromise of some form, you can know if DNS is connecting you to the right party. Although, you are assuming a root compromise so that doesn't really matter.
Human-meaningful names will not happen. It is technically impossible to do so because there is no way to guarantee the uniqueness of the name. TOR, I2P, Freenet and others have all tried various solutions and each made different tradeoffs. But you literally cannot have human-meaningful names, security from malicious actors, and decentralization simultaneously. The more of one you have, the less of the others you can have.
(Score: 2) by jmichaelhudsondotnet on Wednesday May 06 2020, @10:07AM
Man it is nice when people just come in and want to say constructive things to the discussion. So nice, how hard was that?
Exaeta is who you are talking about with this apostrophe addition to all urls.
It sounds like a nice hack but it would be an impossible sell on the public who is locked into this.
That is what is so pernicious and even devlish about the .org power grab, it is at a level of the internet that only about 1% of people even know exists.
So that fraction of the 1% that cares are fighting a billion dollars of pressure with no public support or awareness, and if we try to explain we get glazed eyes, and the same would happen if we tried to switch everyone to the new dns or add the apostrophe.
This is sadly an argument that a technocracy is inevitable, which is what ethos and thrive "capital" corruptly and opaquely and misleadingly represent, but I am holding out that there is a way for the non-devlish people to represent the public, but we have to morph the internet into something that replaces CNN, which if you have been watching closely, I have been doing at my static site, and here, and saidit, twitter, voat, minds, leanpub, and my vast collection now at archive.is.(which they have started to see as a threat if you have been paying attention)
But if you have the guts to wade through the garbage and traps to find the gems, /pol anons are also kicking ass. I havent laughed in a month I think and I laughed my ass off there last night. And found a lot of truth, good writing, pro memes....
Be the change you want to see, build the internet you want to have, Im doing it, are you?
(Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Wednesday May 06 2020, @02:44PM (1 child)
At present it looks as if the .org sale isn't going through.
Sigh of relief.
-- hendrik
(Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday May 06 2020, @03:17PM