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AMD's Robert Hallock has confirmed that the upcoming AMD Ryzen 4000 Zen 3 processors will be compatible with Socket AM4 as long as the motherboard features an X570 or B550 chipset. Zen 3 will not support older chipsets owing to lower space on the EEPROM of these motherboards. Future prospects of Socket AM4 depend on the industry's I/O innovation.
[...] In a blog post, Hallock confirmed that current AMD X570 and B550 chipset motherboards will support Zen 3 processors after a BIOS update. However, Zen 3 processors will not be compatible with any chipset prior to X570 or B550. This means end of the road for all those who have X470, B450 and below chipset boards. Hallock says that this decision had to be taken as due to BIOS capacity limitations on older platforms.
We've seen AMD taking a similar stance with Zen 2 as well by removing drop-in support for motherboards that have just a 16 MB EEPROM. X570 motherboards have a 32 MB EEPROM thereby enabling larger a AGESA[*] codebase to be comfortably accommodated.
Wikipedia explains that AGESA:
AMD Generic Encapsulated Software Architecture (AGESA), is a procedure library developed by Advanced Micro Devices (AMD), used to perform the Platform Initialization (PI) on mainboards using their AMD64 architecture. As part of the BIOS of such mainboards, AGESA is responsible for the initialization of the processor cores, memory, and the HyperTransport controller.
See also: AMD axes Zen 3 support on 400-series motherboards: Is AMD pulling an Intel?
AMD will use the AM4 socket through its 'Zen 3' CPUs, but it will drop older chipset support
B450 and X470 chipsets won't support AMD Ryzen 4000 processors
Hardware Unboxed: No AMD Zen 3 Support on 400 and 300 Series Motherboards
AMD Zen 3 Based Ryzen 4000 'Vermeer' Desktop CPUs Will Be Compatible With Existing AM4 (X570, X470, B550, B450) Motherboards, Confirmed By XMG (from April 16, fake news or specific to the motherboard manufacturer?)
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 12 2020, @11:41PM (6 children)
I want to use your chip on my Apple II motherboard.
(Score: 2) by Kitsune008 on Wednesday May 13 2020, @02:25AM
Fsck you, Zombie Jobs.
Just take your past glory, and shove it where the sun don't shine. At this point in time, I don't think your turtleneck will impede this operation, despite your head being up your ass.
"PPC, or nothing!" should be your mantra, you traitor, you heretic. WTF?!?!? AMD?
Ghahhh! I hope you are strangled by that turtleneck. You are a total disgrace and complete disappointment to the Reality Distortion Field, and it's High Priests.
The only appeasement you can offer at this point is to commit seppuku. </sarcasm>
BTW, why do you want to use an AMD chip in your Apple II?
(Score: 2) by richtopia on Wednesday May 13 2020, @04:17AM (3 children)
In all seriousness, I'm really frustrated by this. I went to AMD in part because of their good history of upgradability. But even today, the B550 chipset is not available to consumers! I specifically bought a MAX series board from MSI which has the 32MB of EEPROM in an effort to make a transition to Zen 3 easier.
Maybe the Ryzen 9 CPUs will drop in price with the Zen 3 which will provide an upgrade path. Still, I'm disappointed.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Wednesday May 13 2020, @04:50AM (2 children)
There was some speculation that chips like the 3950X will take even longer to drop in price since Zen 2 is (apparently) the final upgrade for many motherboards.
Meanwhile, if you wanted to build a new Zen 3 system, you might be smacking yourself 12-18 months later when Zen 4 arrives on totally incompatible socket AM5, even if that involves buying expensive new DDR5 memory.
It does seem like your motherboard and others with 32 MB EEPROM could still get support for Zen 3, despite AMD's blog post. We'll just have to wait and see how bad this backlash gets.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 14 2020, @12:34AM (1 child)
There is a silver lining; current Zen 2 chips are massive overkill for most applications. Gaming, compute, business, and CAD/CAM systems will age well over the next five years or so. By the time Zen 2 feels "slow" we'll be on AM6/DDR6 (and Intel will still be at 14nm+++++++++++++++++ of course).
(Score: 2) by takyon on Thursday May 14 2020, @05:49AM
Zen 2's slight gaming deficiency is related to latency (memory, cross-CCX) and clock speed (AMD is currently ahead in IPC). They will get a chance to address this and pull ahead of Intel with Zen 3 (by single digit FPS!!!!1). If Zen 3 can actually consistently beat the last Intel 14nm++++++++ CPUs in gaming, that might get a few more people to jump on, even if it is the end of the socket.
Gaming core counts are going to be pushed up to 8, and arguably 16+ [soylentnews.org] (could be hype), by the next-gen consoles. So the 4-6 core Zen 2 chips could suffer a bit in 2-5 years, even if they are mostly excellent and overkill.
Intel is going to aggressively push towards "7nm" by around 2022, which should be the equivalent of at least TSMC's "5nm". So the process node advantage AMD has enjoyed with Zen 2/3 will not be around forever.
AM5 should include at least Zen 4 and Zen 5 (both confirmed to exist), and likely Zen 6. The big transition will be to monolithic 3D chips, which could improve performance by orders of magnitude. That might happen in the late 2020s on a new socket.
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(Score: 2) by Bot on Wednesday May 13 2020, @12:24PM
We don't want to run on apple II, mr. 50c army guy. We want to speculate on whether AMD is capitalizing on its tech supremacy by intentionally removing compatibility or whether there are unavoidable technical issues. From a theoretical POV it would have been better to build some failsafe mode for the CPU to fit older boards at reduced performance, which would make people upgrade eventually all the same.
Anyway your post was frist, with a troll title and a good defense of AMD, so, well played.
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