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Those who have followed me from the oranges of SoylentNews will be aware that I have spent quite a bit, well, not that much given how young the nation is, in the Untied Stats of Amerigo Vespucci. I have seen a lot. Early idealism, residual British snobbery, Ohio River valley alcoholism, Trail of Tears, Millerian Apocalypism, and even the crazed Mormons moving to the Lake of Salt. But nothing has tarnished the reputation of the United Slates like the legacy of Slavery. We Greeks had slaves, as did the Romans and all nations of our time, even that weird sect of monotheists, but we never denied their humanity. Freedom, yes; legal standing, yes; but basically slaves were just unlucky humans.
Now, the American version, coming after the whole slavery thing had been dropped in favor of serfdom, had to find its justification in some farcical pseudo-scientific theory, or just simple xenophobic racism. But after the question was settled, by the utter and absolute defeat of the rebel scum who tried to defend race-based slavery, it kept coming back. KKK. CCC. WTF. All during the post-Civil War period in America, these disgusting losers attempted to enforce a covert racist order, and the main tool of this enforcement was lynchings.
Which brings us to the current day. You have all heard of the killing of Ahmaud Arbery, in Georgia, by two white crackers. Yes, it is Georgia, and, yes, the Black man was running. But that is not my point here. My point is, the white boys need to swing. The only way the post-bellum South kept order was by lynching. Now, I suggest, the only way to keep the peace in the post-orange South is lynchings, lynchings of white folk.
The original response to this cold-blooded racist crime was to protect the "good old boys", one who not surprisingly was an ex-cop. But that is just how it is with these white supremacist gangs, they always cover for each other and claim, "I did not do anything wrong, it was self-defense!" But anyone could see how mendacious that statement is. It is only with outside pressure that the local law enforcement even admits that there might be crime here.
Now, I am one who generally supports the rule of law, and the impeachment of incompetents, because I have repeatedly seen what happens when these principles are held in abeyance. But like the KKK said, if the legal institutions that are intended to provide justice, do not do it, then it is up to the Posse Comitatus to dispense rough justice in its stead. We need to attack the jail, beat down Atticus Finch, haul these no-good whites out the jail, and hang them from the nearest Starbucks. Only then will justice be severed.
Karma's a bitch, ain't it? You think "reverse discrimination" against white people is unjust, and unfair? You ain't seen nothing yet. Lynch whitey, it is the only way to end racism in America, because then everyone would have gone through the same history. Oh, wait. Enslave whitey? Genocide white? Whitey exclusion acts and no dogs or whiteys allowed? Possibilities are endless. And you white privilege types were worried about monetary reparations?
Some stats:
We got some ways to go, we can start with the McMichael's.
Thoughts, my fellow Soylentils?
Update: Georgia, the former penal colony, not the birthplace of Joe Stalin.
But, speaking of the former Warsaw Pact nation . . .
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Friday May 15 2020, @05:31AM (36 children)
This post is so coherent, I can understand it!!
Well, I can agree with the idea that the two white crackers need to be punished, and severely. Capital punishment is probably in order. Murder is murder. Unfortunately, we've been so progressivised and pussified, it is highly unlikely that capital punishment will be on the table. And, if it is, the hundreds of appeals guarantee that the older cracker will die of old age before punishment is carried out.
The rest of that? Lynchings? Hmmmmm. You're turning into a conservative cracker yourself, aren't you? Oh, wait, my mistake. The KKK were all Democrats, liberals, and progressives - just like you. Mehhh - nothing new under the sun, is there?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 15 2020, @06:09AM (29 children)
As someone complaining we aren't vicious enough, I'm surprised you say we should use the death penalty. If anything, leaving them in the state of constant survival mode of prison for the rest of their lives or locked in a cage smaller than my bathroom 23 hours a day is a much better torture, I mean punishment, for those individuals.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday May 15 2020, @06:29AM (28 children)
So, vengeance is preferred over logic, I take it.
https://www.lifedeathprizes.com/real-life-crime/criminals-murdered-in-prison-59759 [lifedeathprizes.com]
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/msp0114st.pdf [bjs.gov]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_prison_deaths [wikipedia.org]
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/inmates-kill-prison-guards-during-bus-transport-georgia/ [cbsnews.com]
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/27/deaths-in-jails-885-inmates [theguardian.com]
I have often condemned that whole prison for profit concept. I'm not into causing other people to suffer, even if they deserve it. I think that a bullet in the ear is far more merciful than locking any beast into a tiny cell - whether that beast be human, or other.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 15 2020, @06:39AM (16 children)
Because it's so easy to reverse the action if it turns out it wasn't a beast you locked.
Or is it that if you put a bullet in the ear it is clear it was a beast, no question need to be asked after?
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Friday May 15 2020, @07:42AM (15 children)
There is zero question who killed the man, in this case. Zero. We can't execute the wrong man, we know positively for certain who did the killing. The only questions to be settled are whether he can justify the killing, and how culpable he is.
Where certainty is lacking, you might make an argument against the death penalty based on uncertainty. Don't waste your time on this case.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 15 2020, @08:18AM (2 children)
Nice goalpost juggling. Context switching is faster than a multicore running busy multithreaded processes.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday May 15 2020, @08:27AM (1 child)
No goalposts were moved. This entire discussion centers on two men who decided to execute a third man. The acts were recorded on video, readily available for you to see. There is no question that they killed the victim. If you want some DNA evidence, I'm sure the cops kept some around. I've allowed in the past that maybe capital punishment needs to meet higher standards than "reasonable doubt". In this case, there is zero reasonable doubt that they committed the actions of which they are accused.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 15 2020, @07:02PM
My Gawd yer stupid, Mr. Runaway! We don' need no evidence! Obvious they're guilty, since their white. Whole point of a lynching is to not let the Social Justice Lawyers, like that Finch race traitor, get their hands on it and get the white bastards off.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 15 2020, @06:05PM (11 children)
"The only questions to be settled are whether he can justify the killing, and how culpable he is."
No, that question was already answered. You do not get to gun down people who aren't threatening your life, for any reason. The fact that you even consider that statement shows you're a bigoted garbage person looking to excuse white people for cold blooded murder. The victim was black, so of coouuurrrsssee he must have been doing something wrong that deserved death.
You're a cunt.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday May 15 2020, @09:49PM (2 children)
IANAL, and neither are you. The judge and/or the jury are going to go somewhat strictly by rule of law. The prosecution and the defense are going to play their silly games, for the benefit of judge and jury. Motive has to be examined, along with all the other bullshit introduced into the court. It may come down to third degree murder, because, apparently, the victim tried to take the shotgun from his attacker. The same stupid shit worked for Zimmerman - he stalked some darkie into the darkness, somehow got a couple bruises that "justified" his shooting the kid. In both cases, the victim was stalked by an armed aggressor.
We'll have to wait and see what becomes of this new circus.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 19 2020, @03:06AM (1 child)
Zimmerman was an interesting case.
As it happens, owing to a weird confluence of circumstances, I'm somewhat familiar with the law of assault in the state of FL, though never having been on (either) sharp end of that law.
The law in Florida allows for equalisers, and considers self defence, even with deadly force, when the person acting is in plausible fear for life and limb.
Zimmerman was physically smaller than his victim/assailant, and at the time that he drew and fired, pinned down, and actively receiving head wounds. The jury determined that there was reasonable grounds for finding that Zimmerman, while he may have been a complete dickhead looking for trouble, was at the time of the shooting in plausible fear for life and limb, and overpowered by superior force. By the law of Florida, and by the principle of presumed innocence, turning him loose was the right answer.
You don't have to like it. I don't have to like it. But it was the law operating as written.
(Score: 2, Touché) by aristarchus on Tuesday May 19 2020, @04:21AM
Zimmerman is a half-breed racist, the worst kind. He deserved to die, and given his actions post-non-conviction, he will, sooner or later. Law is not law, if it allows fucktards of this sort to claim self-defense. St. Augustine said, about allowing for self-defense, "an unjust law is no law at all." In a letter to his illegitimate son. Look it up. Any Christian who claims self-defense is no Christian, because they are valuing their own life over that of another, the sin of selfishness.
So enough of all this. Just fucking hang the whiteys, or the half-whiteys, or the racists from Nations, who would not give tribal membership to the former slaves they owned. You know, some Cherokee were from Georgia.
(Score: 2) by Arik on Saturday May 16 2020, @07:25AM (7 children)
Sure, the prosecutor fixed it for them initially, no trial, no charges, that was wrong.
But now that's corrected. Another prosecutor, new investigators, looking at the local officials too. That's the proper response. It's a response that will take some time to work through to a conclusion.
Give them a fair trial, let them make their arguments, judgement AFTER not before.
I've gone over all the publicly available footage frame by frame. And it sure looks to me like felony murder. That's the charge I would have filed immediately, had I been the prosecutor there. I find it extremely suspicious, and very likely evidence of criminal corruption, that no charges whatsoever were filed initially.
But I don't get to convict them on that basis - and I shouldn't. What we have no is excellent cause for suspicion, but that's no guarantee of conviction.
A trial will let them make their defense, and attempt to defend it on cross-examination. Only after that is done can the case begin to be properly judged.
It seems these people had some history, they knew each other, and there were things going on there that simply haven't become public yet. Trials can take time, but they're the best chance for all the relevant facts to be brought out.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @09:45PM (4 children)
Guy was murdered in cold blood after being chased down. This is as clear a case as can be and only racist fuckwads bother bringing up a trial. Ok, I'll give a tiny allowance for the ignorance of people who think systemic racism doesn't exist and that no police department would cover up a blatant murder. Such ignorance often persists into adulthood, a fervent hope that the world doesn't suck as bad as it seems like.
None of your details matter in a cold blooded murder.
(Score: 2) by Arik on Saturday May 16 2020, @10:00PM (2 children)
You're presuming far in advance of the evidence.
I said felony murder, I could prosecute for that; you're implying premeditated murder, and frankly the evidence isn't there. Not yet, at least. /Maybe/ something could come out at trial - and charges can be amended if they do.
"only racist fuckwads bother bringing up a trial."
No, you have that precisely reversed. Reasonable people like trials. We want to give everyone a chance to defend themselves, we want the full story to come out; before making a final judgement.
Racist fuckwads are the ones that rush to judgement and want to skip the trial and get straight to the lynching.
"Such ignorance often persists into adulthood, a fervent hope that the world doesn't suck as bad as it seems like."
Yeah, no, it sucks pretty damn bad.
Bad enough it really makes no sense at all to exaggerate it further.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 18 2020, @04:49PM (1 child)
Oh I'm all for a trial, but again only bigota or naive apologists would go on about trials and truth when we have the undisputed video recording of the murder. There is simply no defense for killing an unarmed man, no matter what. Your only decent point is the distinction betwen pre-meditated or not, but again that is hardly the point here.
There is a massive problem in the US with systemic racism which needs to be addressed, not downplayed with hand-wringing about a search for truth. The truth was already buried here, and only surfaced because one attorney realized it would help show his client wasn't one of the murderers.
But please, continue your very reasoned and calm approach to downplaying the real issues.
(Score: 2) by Arik on Monday May 18 2020, @08:58PM
Do you have a full 3d recording of the incident?
No you do not. You have very likely the same videos that are publicly available that I have gone over many times, frame by frame.
It looks like murder to me, yes, I already said that. But if you think you couldn't be fooled at this stage you are very naïve. "Oh video never lies" - video lies all the time.
We're in the era of fakenews and deepfakes, no one should ever decide they know all the relevant details and are qualified to sit in judgement on someone elses life on the basis of a short, shaky, and very grainy video.
If you want justice, you should try learning to emulate that reasoned and calm approach you deride. When you advocate for one side or the other of what's being carefully nurtured as a partisan debate, you only help the enemy. You deepen divisions, you dig the hole that threatens to swallow us all even deeper. Just advocate for a fair trial. Always advocate for a fair trial. That way the facts can come out, and people can come together instead of becoming more deeply divided.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @10:17PM
On May 15, Franklin Hogue, one of Gregory McMichael's defense attorneys, said new information would be disclosed at a future preliminary hearing that "tells a very different story, both about Greg, his son Travis and about Ahmaud Arbery."
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 19 2020, @05:25PM (1 child)
Arik, you advocate calm, order, and due process.
What are you doing on this site?
BTW, it's been obvious for a long time and this journal entry proves it if anyone needed more evidence that aristarchus really, really wants to kill someone. He NEEDS violence at a personal level to satisfy a blood lust. Since he is not capable of actually doing it himself, he must live vicariously through others.
(Score: 2) by Arik on Tuesday May 19 2020, @10:57PM
Just taking advantage of one of the few remaining forums on the internet that doesn't require agreement to unconscionable terms. To vent my frustration; perhaps if I'm lucky to do a little good in the process, by waking a sleeper.
"really wants to kill someone. He NEEDS violence at a personal level to satisfy a blood lust. Since he is not capable of actually doing it himself, he must live vicariously through others."
Maybe, but I'm not convinced.
I think he's a bright dude who's understandably frustrated with the state of the world, and relieves that angst by trolling a bit too much. He could still get better.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 15 2020, @07:53AM (10 children)
I was trying to point out the double-think. You criticized society for being to progressive and "pussified" for not allowing capital punishment. Yet your reasoning here is one of progressiveness (specifically not factoring in retribution and not hinting at deterrence) and being "pussified" (merciful).
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Friday May 15 2020, @08:22AM (9 children)
I think you've failed to understand mercy. It is not a liberal/progressive concept, per se. We had the concept of mercy long, long before there were liberals, or progressives, or democrats on this earth. I'm not bothering with any searches right now, but I'll bet you can find the concept in the Code of Hamurabi. I know it's in the Old Testament. It is referred to often enough throughout European history, the Greeks and the Romans understood it.
Since you mention retribution - I believe that belongs to the dead man's relatives. If they want to tear these fools limb from limb, I'll say and do nothing to prevent them doing so.
And, since you mention deterrence - yeah, that too. People KNOW that if they jump out in front of an 18-wheeler cruising at 80 mph they will die, so they don't do it, unless the intent is suicide. If people KNOW that running out your front door to gun down some strange man because he is black will result in their own deaths, they won't run out that front door.
Since those arguments won't convince any progressive of anything, I don't use them very much any more.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 15 2020, @03:48PM
You're a twisted kind of stupid.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 15 2020, @11:41PM (7 children)
Except the data says that the death penalty is *not* a deterrent:
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/deterrence [deathpenaltyinfo.org]
https://www.aclu.org/other/death-penalty-questions-and-answers [aclu.org]
A potentially better argument for the death penalty might be [scu.edu]:
In that not one convicted killer who has been executed for their crime has ever killed anyone else after their execution. I suggest you fall back on that, since the data doesn't support the conclusion that "the death penalty has a deterrent effect on murder."
Do you see how that works? Use data and logic to determine objective facts. I know that logic and reason are pretty foreign concepts to you, but maybe give it a try once in a while for the sheer change of pace? Just a crazy thought.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday May 16 2020, @02:11PM (1 child)
Yeah, I know that all of that "evidence" exists. And, still, when fools are plotting murder, they always consider first how to "get away with it". Not so much how to kill the victim, but how to "get away with it". They don't want to be punished.
The evidence is bullshit.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @02:51PM
Not so much how to kill the victim, but how to "get away with it".
First, you gotta be born really rich, then run for president. Then you can do it in broad daylight. Nobody will say a thing
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Saturday May 16 2020, @11:46PM (4 children)
So, you have proof that not one person has ever refrained from comitting murder because he didn't want to face the jude, jury, or executioner? I call bullshit. You're not using logic, you're merely parroting a talking point that you like.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2020, @12:38AM (3 children)
Yep, there has never been even one!
Hey, Jude, don't take it bad, it's just that any murder that is refrained from is not a murder, so no murders ever were prevented by a threat of murder by a jude, because it wasn't a murder. The ones not so prevented, well, if deterrence worked, Texas would be a murder-free state, but as everyone knows, Murderfreesboro is in Tenn.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday May 17 2020, @06:12AM (2 children)
You've got the parrot point down pat, I'll give you credit for that.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 26 2020, @04:16AM (1 child)
You're a flailing moron. The data is clear, extreme punishment is not much of a deterrent because most people committing crimes are doing so because they don't see a better path. The harm caused by extreme punishments are actually worse than the crimes they prevent, and generally they create even greater rifts within society itself.
If only you conservatives could wrap your heads around more compassionate approaches that work better, but you seem incapable of showing a "bad" person mercy. The irony is palpable, good thing we liberal/leftists/progressives don't execute bigots for their stupidity.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 26 2020, @06:34AM
We tried being more compassionate to the Runaway1955, but it only made him more self-centered and conservative. Next, we are going to try fire, and operant conditioning. So you get laid off from your scandahovian factory based on cheap
MexicanArkansian non-union labor, and there are no benefits? And you lose your employer based health insurance? And you still hate Hillary so much, that you are willing to rupture your motherfucking spleen, while you are fucking some mother, and you have the gall, or the rupture of a gall bladder, enough to say anything about American politics, at all? Taze the Runaway, for his own good. Taze him till he is on the ground. Taze him again, if he tries to get up. Taze him if he tries to vote, or go to the bathroom. Taze him good. We will rename him, "Tazerface". Because it is Ironic!!(Score: 3, Touché) by aristarchus on Friday May 15 2020, @10:36PM (1 child)
--Runaway1956
That is always a bad sign.
(Score: 5, Informative) by aristarchus on Saturday May 16 2020, @07:09AM
And some always need the cultural references [wikipedia.org] spelled out explicitly. It's the Upside Down. Or was that Just Mussolini?
(Score: 3, Informative) by dry on Saturday May 16 2020, @06:45PM (3 children)
You do know that the Republican's of the day were the progressive party (they replaced the Whigs, another name for Liberals) and the Democrats were the conservative party.
Party politics in the US is weird. For quite a while there were southern and northern Democrats with one branch, the southern, quite conservative, trying their hardest to conserve the old social system. The Republicans also seem to have been split at times between big government (Lincoln being the best example) and small government where the only reason for government is to oppress the people like now.
It seems to be more tribalism then actual believes, look how fast the Republicans have changed their core believes with the coming of Trump, at that they seem to change their believes on a daily basis now depending on what Trump says, completely ignoring reality.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @08:38PM
Democrat termites invaded the republican party after the passage of the civil rights acts in the 60s, which needed and received a lot of republican help at the time. The GOP is now a fully owned subsidiary of the DNC. A lot of people are wagging the dog on this when they say the DNC is GOP lite. No, the DNC owns the GOP. Let's not forget, Trump is still a democrat, and he's playing the GOP side like a fiddle. Or more likely, they, along with mass media, are just fully complicit
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday May 16 2020, @09:11PM
Your take on all that mess seems reasonable. I do get tired of all the libruls who try so very hard to convince everyone, "We're the civil rights party! The other guys are the evil oppressors of women, blacks, native Americans, immigrants, and puppies!" ;^)
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Tuesday May 26 2020, @06:36AM
Yes, I knew that. Your point?
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday May 15 2020, @10:41AM
Exaggerated outrage or not, your basic premise ain't wrong. Black, white, brown, red, yellow, or orange, you do not shoot a motherfucker unless they actually need shooting or it's straight up murder. Dude had been in an unfinished house nosing around when he shouldn't have been. That's a legit misdemeanor trespass that would never be prosecuted but nothing else since there wasn't anything to steal, not even copper wire, in the place. What he was not was on the property or in the home of the shooters, threatening harm to anyone, or armed in any way.
So, yeah, they deserve to swing for what they did. And they deserve to do so before Christmas rolls around. But it needs to go past a jury of their peers first. One jury, one judge, and however many lawyers they feel like paying for. Not ten or twenty years of appeals though.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 15 2020, @11:50AM (6 children)
Lock them up! Lock them up! Lock them up!
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 15 2020, @12:44PM (5 children)
Support from boot wearing, hammer carrying "joggers" everywhere.
(Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 15 2020, @06:32PM (4 children)
Lookit this guy, trying to defend cold blooded murder.
You do realize that you are not allowed to murder other people right? RIGHT?
Of course not, you're a racist red hat who dreams of murdering dark skinned people.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @02:01AM (1 child)
You are a dickhead but illustrative of why leftists lose. Think black neighborhoods want boot wearing, hammer-weiding "joggers" in their neighborhoods? Dickhead!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @03:02AM
It was Thor, God of Thunder?
(Score: 2) by Arik on Saturday May 16 2020, @09:14PM (1 child)
His claim was boot-wearing hammer-toting.
I don't remember seeing either of those items in the frames. Shoes looked casual, deck shoes maybe. Not running shoes, not boots. There's no law that requires running shoes, many people jog in something like that.
Hammer toting? Where? I think the /other/ black guy on the surveillance footage picked up a hammer - then put it back down?
Let me go over a few of what seem to me the salient facts.
The 911 call and a review of police reports from the preceding time span in that area indicate a case of mistaken identity. The current defendant seems to have thought Arbery was the same person who had been caught on camera and who he had reported before. He described that individual as a light skinned black male with short dreads or 'twists' and arm tattoos. The description doesn't fit Arbery; it does fit another fellow that appears several times on the surveillance video from the open house however. He also seems to think the same individual must have stolen a pistol that went missing from his locked truck a little earlier, but as no one saw the individual and there were no cameras that is sheer speculation.
So at best he seems quite aggressive and overly territorial, not to mention not particularly observant. Both because the guy caught on camera that he described is clearly not Arbery, and because that fellow didn't actually steal or destroy anything anyway. The neighbor's released camera footage shows both these gents along with several white people, all coming in, looking around, and leaving innocently.
That individual does not call the cops about any of it, or show any sign of being disturbed by it so far as I'm aware, but he does share the footage out to other people in the neighborhood, and the defendant sees it and links it to his missing pistol.
On the camera, Arbery comes into view; walking, not jogging. He goes into the open house. The current defendant comes out to the corner; there's no sound but it seems to me he probably yelled across the road at Arbery.
There's a surveillance video that shows what happened inside the house, which our defendant could not have seen from where he was; Arbery looks around curiously for a short time before appearing startled (by the shout from the defendant across the road?) and running out the door.
Arbery takes off running, the defendant runs off camera, and we know shortly after the fatal encounter occurs.
All this makes it look like the defendant was angry about what he saw as a repeated string of issues /with another person/ and mistook Arbery for that person when he appeared. And Arbery, for his part seems to have just been looking around curiously before suddenly hearing a very angry white man yelling at him and deciding to run, despite having done nothing wrong. The other man takes the act of running as an admission of wrongdoing, and the chase is on.
A tragic misunderstanding, quite possibly with only a bit of a racial tinge to it, in that the defendant might just have difficulty telling one black man from another, as Arbery doesn't match his description at all. If that's all it was, a repentant defendant might legitimately wind up with as light a conviction as voluntary manslaughter.
BUT, this actually makes no sense! This otherwise reasonable picture of what went down must be quite wrong!
Because the defendant, reportedly, actually knew the deceased. He had arrested him before, if I'm not badly mistaken. If they knew each other personally, it no longer seems credible that the defendant mistook this dark-skinned black man with very short hair for a lighter-skinned gent with much longer hair. Even people that think all $race people look the same can still pick out the individuals they've dealt with personally.
There are still obviously some huge gaps in the story /on both sides./ Many things we simply don't know - but that should be knowable, with a prosecuting attorney and investigators on the job.
Even in the available footage, much is left out, including the critical moment when the 'fight' began. Without calling all the witnesses and asking all the questions and digging up all the tapes and going through that whole exhaustive process, I don't think anyone could say with complete certainty exactly what happened there.
There's just no substitute for a thorough investigation and trial in a situation like this.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2020, @02:58AM
Guy gets chased down, assaulted, then murdered. And you want to say "Even in the available footage, much is left out, including the critical moment when the 'fight' began. Without calling all the witnesses and asking all the questions and digging up all the tapes and going through that whole exhaustive process, I don't think anyone could say with complete certainty exactly what happened there."
What is wrong with you?
(Score: 2) by turgid on Friday May 15 2020, @08:53PM (9 children)
Steady on now, old boy, that's asking a bit much, isn't it? An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 3, Funny) by fustakrakich on Friday May 15 2020, @09:06PM
Then start with the teeth?
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Saturday May 16 2020, @02:15PM (7 children)
That eye for an eye thing? I believe you need to justify it. In reality, if we had an eye for an eye rule of law, the only people who would be blinded are those who first blinded someone else. Easy solution - don't run about blinding people. Kneecap them instead.
Seriously, there is nothing of logic in that often quoted nonsense.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by turgid on Sunday May 17 2020, @12:18PM (6 children)
Because the Death Penalty discourages so many murders?
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2020, @12:55PM
Go easy on the Runaway. In the first round of that eye-for-an-eye-or-tooth thing, he lost his pancreas. Diabetes has played the bitch on him ever since. And the only reason he has not gone full Boogaloo is that he is a coward, a yellow-belly Southerner, and that by choice rather than misfortune of birth. So the only reason we Soylentils do not kill the Runaway, is, . . . um,. . . well, . . . Kinda stumpted, here, to tell the truth!
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday May 18 2020, @02:50PM (4 children)
If there were no penalty for murder - how many murders would there be? I suspect there would be more, but since we can't set up an experimental world, I can't prove it. Ideas on proving or disproving the idea?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 18 2020, @11:45PM
The journalist already proposed such an experiment: "Lynch Whitey!" We can see if it works. If it stops crackers from gunning down black joggers, citizens, and/or police officers, and freedom riders, then maybe the deterrence by a reign of terror theory is correct.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 26 2020, @07:02AM (2 children)
Teaching Ethics. Had a student that was Baptist. He honestly said that the only thing that kept him from killing people that pissed him off, ripping off his friends, and sleeping with their wives, was his fear of eternal fire. Hazuki-san is on to something. I said, "I hope, for the sake of the rest of us, that you do not lose your faith! Ferking Baptist! Can't trust them any further than you can throw them and then pin them down by withering fire.
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday May 27 2020, @04:27AM (1 child)
That story helpst to make my point, very well, thank you. People weigh consequences and rewards of their actions, all day, every day. If they fear the consequences of an action, they are far less likely to take that action. For all of you who make fun of the Sky Fairy, it doesn't matter whether He is real of not. It only matters what the individual believes. and how much that individual fears the consequences promised by the Sky Fairy.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 27 2020, @08:08AM
Sky Fairy gots a laser tag on your ass, Runaway! Nice to know we are dealing with a sociopath, who only can conceive of actions in terms of consequences. You will apply the lotion, or your gets the hose, Runaway, BuffaloBillRunaway1956, well known psychopath cereal killer in the area of Texarkana! Haven't caught you yet? They are closing in, Runaway, and your posts here have been most helpful. Expect us, soon.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Arik on Saturday May 16 2020, @07:07AM (19 children)
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 3, Funny) by aristarchus on Saturday May 16 2020, @07:11AM (12 children)
I challenge you, arik, to a justice-off. What do you think needs to be done in Georgia? Must we burn Atlanta a second time?
(Score: 2) by Arik on Saturday May 16 2020, @07:39AM (11 children)
A fair and thorough investigation, trials to match, and appropriate sentences at the end.
It's really as simple as that. There's no need to inflame old prejudices, there's no need to stir up communitarian violence, there's no need to try to stir up a race war which seems where much of your rhetoric is headed. The 'racial' element here is only a matter of presumption. I'll confess the presumption seems likely to me at the moment, but that doesn't justify assuming it. Let the trial play out. Let all the evidence be drug into the light, and only afterwards let appropriate sentences be handed down.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Saturday May 16 2020, @02:16PM
You're being just a bit silly here, Arik. When Aristarchus calls for anything-off, he's just trying to get your pants off. It's a trap!
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @09:47PM (9 children)
Funny how you conservatives never demand such justice when a black man should be defended. Time to realize we have Nazi level psychos running around all over the US.
(Score: 2) by Arik on Saturday May 16 2020, @10:11PM (8 children)
Now I know you have no clue at all as to my beliefs.
You could at least stalk me for 2 or 3 minutes to figure out I'm no conservative before trying to troll me?
"never demand such justice when a black man should be defended."
I always do, and I actually get pretty decent responses on that from regular "conservatives" as well as liberals and even a few progressives. John Crawford III should not have died, and I haven't met a single person in real life that disagrees with me.
But certain groups that want to pose as our champions always seem to pick the very worst examples they can, and make emblems of them. So yeah, they said a couple words about him, but only 4 days later they moved right on to Michael Brown.
It's almost as if those groups were reading Booker T. Washington, and determined to be what he most despised.
“There is another class of coloured people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs.” - Booker T. Washington
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @10:23PM (7 children)
Shoulda stuck to "yep cold blooded murder is wrong."
Obviously they'll get a trial, but we already have the simple facts and there is no excusing their actions. Seems too hard for you though, so I'll file you away as alt-right "centrist" shill.
(Score: 2) by Arik on Saturday May 16 2020, @10:33PM (5 children)
I'm still willing to wait for it all to come out. It's quite possible that what comes out could actually make it worse on them!
Even if you're consumed completely with lust for their blood that should strike you as a good enough reason to wait.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @10:47PM (4 children)
You are just a dirty "alt-right shill". Also known as someone who still believes in quaint notions like rights and evidence.
(Score: 2) by Arik on Saturday May 16 2020, @11:13PM (3 children)
Guilty as charged.
Molon Labe, my brother.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2020, @03:06AM (2 children)
So if your state and federal government banned private ownership of firearms what would you do?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday May 17 2020, @12:57PM
It is "Moron Labia", or "Stupid lips" in the original Latin. Now write it a hundred times!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 19 2020, @11:01PM
Any more questions? [mrcolionnoir.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 16 2020, @10:53PM
We'd like to file you far, far away, but you do provide some necessary entertainment value.
(Score: 2) by dry on Saturday May 16 2020, @06:38PM (5 children)
What happens if jury nullification is used to not convict?
(Score: 2) by Arik on Saturday May 16 2020, @07:00PM (4 children)
If that's true, then one bad court decision is the least of our worries.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 2) by dry on Saturday May 16 2020, @08:02PM (3 children)
History has shown that quite a few people in some jurisdictions disagree that shooting a black man is murder
(Score: 2) by Arik on Saturday May 16 2020, @08:39PM (2 children)
If the year were still 1968 I would be more worried about it.
Am I saying it couldn't happen today? No, unfortunately it's still possible. But let's try to move things in a positive way, not a negative way. Just presuming unfairness ahead of time is a sure fire way to move them in a negative way.
So to go back to your question, what happens if juries nullify murder laws? People no longer trust in the law to protect them, no longer fear the law to obey it. What happens is we go back to the rule of the jungle, blood begets blood. What happens is that the friends and relatives of the murdered must now avenge him, and then another set of friends and relatives must revenge in turn, and now you have a classic feud which could go on for generations and claim many, many lives - not just those of the groups involved but innocent by-standers as well.
A catastrophë, a disaster. Let's work to ensure that never happens.
"Murder is bad." How's that for an uncontroversial message everyone should agree with?
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 2) by dry on Sunday May 17 2020, @01:55AM (1 child)
I generally agree but find it troubling that the district attorney wasn't even going to prosecute this as, I assume, he didn't consider it murder.
(Score: 2) by Arik on Sunday May 17 2020, @02:13AM
If the prosecutor and the investigators and the defense all do their jobs, then this should work out correctly.
Can you hear the shudder in my voice on the word *if*?
Still, don't presume the worst. Respond to the worst? Yes. Presume it ahead of time? No.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 19 2020, @05:33PM (1 child)
Ethanol-Fueled and aristarchus are actually the same person.
He just switches up which persona he uses to keep the arguments going. They have the same misanthropic flavor.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 27 2020, @08:10AM
If this is how good you are at inversals, I await your derivations on Trump. Point, to point, you moron. Do the math. Ohi, vey!