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TSMC reportedly stops taking orders from Huawei after new U.S. export controls
Taiwanese Semiconductor Manufacturing Co., the world's largest contract semiconductor maker, has stopped taking new orders from Huawei Technologies, one of its largest customers, according to the Nikkei Asian Review. The report said the decision was made to comply with new United States export controls, announced last Friday, that are meant to make it more difficult for Huawei to obtain chips produced using U.S. technology, including manufacturing equipment.
Huawei hits back at US as TSMC cuts off chip orders
Huawei rotating chairman Guo Ping has hit back at the US government's stricter export controls intended to stop the Chinese tech giant from obtaining essential chips, following reports that its biggest supplier has already cut it off. "We still haven't figured it out," Guo said on stage at Huawei's annual analyst summit. "The US government still persists in attacking Huawei, but what will that bring to the world?"
"In its relentless pursuit to tighten its stranglehold on our company, the US government has decided to proceed and completely ignore the concerns of many companies and industry associations," Huawei adds in an official statement. "This decision was arbitrary and pernicious, and threatens to undermine the entire industry worldwide. This new rule will impact the expansion, maintenance, and continuous operations of networks worth hundreds of billions of dollars that we have rolled out in more than 170 countries."
"We expect that our business will inevitably be affected," Huawei's statement continues. "We will try all we can to seek a solution."
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Previously: U.S. Attempting to Restrict TSMC Sales to Huawei
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(Score: 4, Insightful) by Revek on Tuesday May 19 2020, @01:48AM (10 children)
Its crazy that china buys so much from Taiwan but insists its a rouge state.
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(Score: 4, Insightful) by DrkShadow on Tuesday May 19 2020, @01:55AM (7 children)
It's crazy... this whole thing.
China considers Taiwan a property of its own, its companies shall be subject to Chinese law. 1. You will not ignore Chinese companies. 2. You will stop producing chips for American companies. 3. Here is our army that will ensure your factory does 1 and 2.
Now the US is without AMD chips, without nVidia chips, without Xilinx chips, without chips for all of the little gadgets, media players, game consoles, etc. I think Intel chips come from Malaysia (or they used to), but don't use TSMC or they'd be at 5nm.
Oh god oh god oh god...
(Score: 2) by legont on Tuesday May 19 2020, @03:32AM (5 children)
All of it on an island 245 miles long with 23 million people.
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by HiThere on Tuesday May 19 2020, @03:34AM (4 children)
If Taiwan were less strategically vulnerable, this would make more sense. As it is....perhaps TSMC should fork into two companies, one to deal with China and one to deal with the US under officially separate ownership.
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(Score: 1, Troll) by DannyB on Tuesday May 19 2020, @07:04PM (1 child)
Maybe China will simply "annex" Taiwan.
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(Score: 4, Touché) by HiThere on Tuesday May 19 2020, @08:42PM
They've been working on that for ... well, a century now.
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(Score: 2) by legont on Wednesday May 20 2020, @01:51AM (1 child)
Do you believe it would protect the management from being arrested similar to Huawei's manager by Canada?
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Wednesday May 20 2020, @03:05AM
There are probably ways to do it. Note that Huawei isn't a separate company when it deals with the US and with China. (This would be difficult for something incorporated within China.)
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 19 2020, @08:25PM
This is something that a lot of people don't realize. Many of these wafers are actually produced in another country, then shipped to a country for packaging. Notably Intel chips were fabbed in Costa Rica and the US, but many were then packaged in Malaysia, leading to Costa Rica or Malaysia on the packaging but the actual chips coming from either Costa Rica or the US. AMD had both packaging and fabrication in Germany for some/all of the K10 generation, then moved to TSMC dies which were assembled somewhere else (Was it malaysia, germany or somewhere else?)
Point being the labels often don't tell you much about where the parts are actually manufactured/sourced from without having insider knowledge and a papertrail from somewhere else.
(Score: 4, Funny) by driverless on Tuesday May 19 2020, @04:03AM
It's China that's rouge (communist), not Taiwan. Taiwan is more green (money).
(Score: 3, Informative) by Sulla on Tuesday May 19 2020, @05:19PM
When the China trade negotiations started Taiwan independence was on the table as a concession that we would accept in exchange for less favorable trade deals. Xi made it clear that Taiwan was owed by China and not on the table, and that any country recognizing Taiwan would be an act of war. At this point Taiwan has more members in its parliament that are Taiwanese natives than it does Chinese. Taiwan warned the WHO about human-to-human transmission on Jan 1, but were ignored because the WHO said they already received verified information from China so nothing from Taiwan was needed.
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(Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Tuesday May 19 2020, @03:50AM (6 children)
This will surely slow down technological progress, and raise prices.
Maybe paranoia about embedded spyware is justified. But these moves are highly preemptive and negative. It's the wrong approach to the potential problem. Building our own infrastructure is a much better idea. Couldn't we do only the latter, and lay off the provocative and discriminatory policy choices? November can't come soon enough.
I remember a brief period we could get this Kumho brand o tire for just $20 per. Way, way cheaper than any other brand. The tire store inflated that to $50 per tire with all their mounting fees, disposal fees, and so on. But it was still nice to get a whole new set of tires for only $200, and they were even decent quality, not the low end 30k mile stuff. Today, it's tough to get a new set of 4 for less than $500. Kumho was Chinese of course. Then the US imposed dumping fees, tariffs, and all that, and the $20 tire vanished from the marketplace never to be seen again.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Tuesday May 19 2020, @04:01AM (2 children)
Not necessarily. There are many smartphone brands that aren't affected. And as a result of Huawei getting the boot, there will be more TSMC capacity available for AMD, Apple, Nvidia, Qualcomm, etc. AMD recently became TSMC's biggest customer for at least a quarter and is using a lot of "7nm" capacity for next-gen console chips this year, constraining the amount of desktop CPUs and GPUs it can make. As the leader in semiconductor manufacturing, TSMC will have no trouble finding companies to fill Huawei's gap.
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by driverless on Tuesday May 19 2020, @04:05AM (1 child)
That assumes all the other companies have the necessary orders and bucketloads of money lying around to fill the gaps. More likely TSMC will be severely hurt by losing their second largest source of revenue and have to severely curtail investment in new plants and processes. Result: Everyone loses, not just Huawei.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by petecox on Tuesday May 19 2020, @05:38AM
It's a perfect storm with covid's forthcoming global recession causing a drop in demand for consumer electronics generally.
Conversely, with US companies on shoring to TMSC's American plant, reduced demand could see more favourable 5nm conditions for locals such as mediatek (that $99 Walmart tablet) and rockchip (arm64 Chromebook) with resulting extra bang for buck at the low end.
But, if I were an industry pundit, South Korean Samsung sits on the sidelines with anticipation.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 19 2020, @02:27PM (2 children)
How long ago was this? Kumho Tires was only bought by a Chinese company in 2018. It was originally a South Korean company.
(Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Tuesday May 19 2020, @06:30PM (1 child)
About 20 years ago, as I recall.
South Korean? We didn't check, just thought it had to be China, with that kind of name and price.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 19 2020, @08:30PM
Kumho has been a well respected brand of tire (even performance tires!) for 30+ years. They were the OEM tire for a number of japanese cars from the 1990s who didn't use Bridgestone/Firestone tires.
My sports car had kumho tires almost 30 years ago now.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 19 2020, @06:30AM (1 child)
The US navy in the China sea is the reason China has not invaded and assimilated Taiwan back into the mainland. Taiwan is justifiably very pro US.
(Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Tuesday May 19 2020, @01:55PM
Fuck Taiwan, we need to just accept those who want to move to the US as refugees, moving some of the more critical tech infrastructure over here as well, then trade Taiwan to China outright in exchange for a handsome prize.
Maybe having the Chinks back out of the South China sea, or providing a list of China-owned American politicians, or a trade deal much more beneficial to the U.S., etc.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Bot on Tuesday May 19 2020, @06:33AM
Keep discussing the commercial world war three, it's probably all about "who installs 5g owns the territory" or "maybe the coronavirus scare is all about masking 5g deployment", the end of the world, yawn.
Quite more interesting is that the head of Huawei, a networking supercorporation, is called PING.
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(Score: 3, Interesting) by EJ on Tuesday May 19 2020, @08:15AM (10 children)
Pearl Harbor happened because we protected China during WW2. That was a different China. For all our efforts to put sanctions on Japan, look at what we got.
Now, Japan is our friend, and the changed China is more of a world-enemy. I wonder what the world would be like if we had just let Japan have their way with China back then. Maybe we wouldn't have gotten involved in WW2 until it was too late to stop the Nazis. Who knows?
(Score: 4, Insightful) by loonycyborg on Tuesday May 19 2020, @08:24AM (8 children)
Western powers have no friends in Asia. Because friendship cannot be maintained by power of arms (Opium wars etc). China was world's trade leader for millennia, though sometimes its power waned due to various crises. Now it bounces back again after British Empire lost its power and its last splinter state, US, is on decline. To them British/US domination is not different than Mongol domination before.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 19 2020, @05:24PM
Very true, thousands of years of "progress" and their people have never been able to advance further than serfdom to a Emperor.
(Score: 2) by linkdude64 on Tuesday May 19 2020, @06:02PM (3 children)
The hell are you on about? Of course Japan is an ally to the West, and the US, especially. Who else are they going to side with? China? Russia? And you think they'd have their trust/loyalty?
(Score: 2) by loonycyborg on Tuesday May 19 2020, @10:52PM (2 children)
For sure not with someone who nuked them. They could be semi-willing vassal though, because otherwise they're diplomatically isolated. They engaged in genocide against Chinese, etc..
(Score: 2) by linkdude64 on Monday June 01 2020, @03:34PM (1 child)
So their choice is between allying with the most powerful country in the world or being surrounded on all sides by enemies...I'll need a bigger brain to figure that one out!
(Score: 2) by loonycyborg on Tuesday June 02 2020, @07:21AM
The only sane choice in such situation is to cease to exist and their demographic trend shows that that's exactly what they're doing.
(Score: 2) by quietus on Tuesday May 19 2020, @07:06PM (2 children)
Were they, really? Then they sure must have exported a lot to the rest of the world in that period, no?
What can you name, apart from silk and porcelain vases? Which advanced technology were they famous for?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 19 2020, @07:11PM (1 child)
Fireworks. And therefore explosives.
(Score: 2) by quietus on Wednesday May 20 2020, @05:43AM
They used these for firing arrows, not bullets. The Europeans improved the recipe so it could be used with cannons (which required advanced metallurgic technology) and later, guns.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 19 2020, @08:31PM
Of course we should have stayed out of WW2. Germans are the racial brothers and cousins to the majority in the US during that time and were only defending themselves against the International Jew interlopers and saboteurs. The Germans, whose name means "Saviours of The People" in Iceland for their defense of Europe against the Huns (this is why the Jews and their slaves mock the Germans by calling them Huns as a serious disrespect to their sacrifice), made a valiant effort, but finally fell to the previously compromised, if not all-out conquered, Goy slave states (allies). Patton was starting to figure it out at the end of the war as he watched te Russians (controlled by Bolshevik Jews) rape the German women and children and the allies were done melting civilians in the streets with their carpet bombing. Bomb factories owned by the International Jew..