upstart writes in with an IRC submission:
Americans are drinking bleach and dunking food in it to prevent COVID-19:
Americans are doing more housecleaning and disinfecting amid the COVID-19 pandemic and many are turning to wild and dangerous tactics—like drinking and gargling bleach solutions.Back in April, the agency noted an unusual spike in poison control center calls over harmful exposures to household cleaning products, such as bleach. The timing linked it to the spread of the pandemic coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2 (not statements by President Trump). But to get a clearer idea of what was behind the rise, CDC researchers set up an online survey of household cleaning and disinfection knowledge and practices.In all, they surveyed 502 US adults and used statistical weighting to make it representative of the country's population. The findings—published Friday in the CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report—are stunning.Overall, 60 percent said they were doing more cleaning and disinfecting amid the pandemic and 39 percent admitted to doing at least one non-recommended cleaning practice the CDC considers high risk.
Americans are doing more housecleaning and disinfecting amid the COVID-19 pandemic and many are turning to wild and dangerous tactics—like drinking and gargling bleach solutions.
Back in April, the agency noted an unusual spike in poison control center calls over harmful exposures to household cleaning products, such as bleach. The timing linked it to the spread of the pandemic coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2 (not statements by President Trump). But to get a clearer idea of what was behind the rise, CDC researchers set up an online survey of household cleaning and disinfection knowledge and practices.
In all, they surveyed 502 US adults and used statistical weighting to make it representative of the country's population. The findings—published Friday in the CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report—are stunning.
Overall, 60 percent said they were doing more cleaning and disinfecting amid the pandemic and 39 percent admitted to doing at least one non-recommended cleaning practice the CDC considers high risk.
The questions and responses are fully available (NO paywall); read it here:
Journal Reference Gharpure R, Hunter CM, Schnall AH, et al. Knowledge and Practices Regarding Safe Household Cleaning and Disinfection for COVID-19 Prevention, [OPEN] MMWR. Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report (DOI: 10.15585/mmwr.mm6923e2)
Questions from the survey:
Recommended Best Practices:
Risky Practices Performed:
Replace 'bleach' with 'soap' in the second section, and you're not going to go hazardously far wrong. And since soap and water has a dual-action mechanism (at least according to Alton Brown) of emulsifying and stripping the delivery mechanism [youtube.com] from viruses, why aren't people abusing and hoarding soap instead? At least that's a little more comprehensible.
People were hording, at least around where I am. But by late May stocks of all cleaning products and things like toilet paper were back to normal.
We had a sale on toilet paper at one of the stores here. I think they ordered too much thinking demand would stay high, but it ended up not.
More than a quarter century ago I worked thru school at a food store and got seconded to help out in the deli counter occasionally which is a very long story to explain that I know what they're doing.
Most soaps are either nice smelling or some commercial grade liq detergents are near odorless (any stink is added by consumer grade manufacturers).
So we had to dip stuff in a dilute bleach solution which stinks of chlorine and if you can still smell chlorine either the stuff is still too wet aka corrosion and just generally being gross or hasn't been wiped clean (food reside plus bleach is stinky; clean stuff that was dipped in solution doesn't have stinky bleach stick to it).
The slicer was actually pretty interesting to clean in that it had multiple sprays to generally clean areas that food never touched, disinfect other areas, and lube parts, like an inside out car engine where all the wet surfaces were exposed.
By deli "stuff" I mean inedible machines and tools. Like the giant meat slicer machine or the serving spoons.
We did not dip deli food in the bleach. But if we did, it would make more sense as you can smell when the bleach is rinsed off better than when all the soap is rinsed off.
Also as a side note I can unfortunately report that eating a ridiculous small amount of detergent due to poor rinsing CAN result in massive explosive diarrhea. On the other hand, consuming small amounts of bleach, not enough to corrode skin but enough to smell and taste bad, seems quite harmless, about like drinking chlorinated water. Sometimes in the Army water chlorinated heavily enough to make the medics happen meant it smelled and tasted like pool water; better gross taste than giardia I guess.
I could totally imagine someone buying produce at the food store that some idiots have coughed all over for days wanting to soak their potatoes in a bit of dilute bleach water.
I suspect the big problem with bleach was much like toilet paper; I'm told by Big Brother to only shop every two weeks and there's a shortage of bleach and TP so I better buy enough for the next six months today, and everyone doing that resulted in a huge shortage for awhile. Normally we'd all buy a bottle of bleach every six months for laundry or whatever, but everyone insisting its the end of the world and better buy now because it won't be here next week means we all had to buy six months bleach in one week interval of shopping.
everyone who responded to the survey was not dead.
so we don't know how many have killed themselves gargling bleach or inhaling bleach vapours (or injecting it, or whatever)
further, we don't know how dumb they were before they admitted doing stupid stuff (dumb enough to do it..), only that they were dumb enough to admit it..
Did it make them dumber?
Long term, probably. Still - most people who believe this kind of thing (including our Baby Carrot in Chief) are dumb enough to start with that any additional loss of I.Q. is imperceptible/irrelevant.
are dumb enough to start with that any additional loss of I.Q. is imperceptible/irrelevant.
Relatively speaking, they still may have lost 50% or more of their IQ.
Heh, easy fix. Allow more Mexican house cleaners in US, they have enough IQ and direct experience in using bleach to know it's not to be used as a drug (grin)
Jesus, talk about direct experience... when I was working fast food we had an employee who was trying to get his hands on the cash bag, his first attempt was to mix ammonia and chlorine in a mop bucket by the manager's desk - manager wouldn't open the door that close to the cash bag so she just sat there and took the gas.
About a week later, he finally managed to get his hands on the bag and get it out the back door unseen - tossed it up on the roof (this in days before cameras everywhere) - but, even with food prep gloves everywhere was still dumb enough not to wear them so when the cops found the bag they found his fingerprints on it.
Huh! Really? The parent offers an excellent, practical and cheap advice to raise the IQ in US, should be modded +Insightful.
Ya, but it involved the wrong skin tones so the resident racists couldn't have that.
Judging by election results over the last few decades, yes... The most direct answer to your question resides in the White House
Of course you must grant them one thing: After you died from bleach, you won't catch COVID-19. So clearly it helps.
Washed fruits, vegetables, or other food products with bleach
It's all a matter of dosage, but even if it is safe, it doesn't mean I have to like the residue of white stuff on the surface of the shaved carrot chunks in the bag...
baby carrots have been criticized for being “unsafe” due to part of their cleansing process, which uses a chlorine bath. If you are unfamiliar with the standard food safety practices, the thought of consuming a product that has been soaked in chlorine might sound unhealthy and toxic. However, according to the Canadian Food Inspection Agency (CFIA), a chlorine bath is routinely used on finished fruit and vegetable products to prevent bacteria from growing that could lead to foodborne illness. As well, Moira assured us that the chlorine bath only contains a small amount of chlorine, which is added to water in compliance with the Food and Drugs Act and Regulation. It is a standard practice and is used for both regular and organic fresh produce in Canada as well as products imported from the US and other countries. The carrots are in contact with the chlorine bath for no more than 5 minutes and for additional safety measures, are rinsed with water to remove excess chlorine after the bath, and then packed up for consumption.
Packaged carrots of any type, really. They sit there way too long,
and you end up with spoilage. I always used to buy fresh, loose carrots
in ones and twos, now I just buy more of those. I can look at them to make
sure they're not rotten or split. You can't do that in those bags, not very
well anyway. Just buy fresh, loose carrots and clean them yourself. Problem
solved. Added bonus, you cut out some packaging which has gone sky-high
since this pandemic started. We've gone back to single-use plastic bags
and everything. I'm still bagging the carrots of course, but in a thin produce
bag, not a thick printed fancy bag that hides the quality (or lack thereof)
from me. So there we go. I've ranted about carrots. There really
is too much time on our hands these days...
I have some bad news for you. They add chlorine to your drinking water and the water you bath in. Even worse here, they then add ammonia just to make sure.
I have some bad news for you. They add chlorine to your drinking water and the water you bath in...
Shhh, don't tell them that this early into the game, I was quite enjoying where it was all going, you've gone and dropped that bomb way too soon..
(FWIW, the chlorine levels in the local water supply are enough to seriously fuck up any attempts at home brewing. and I've lived in places where the heavy chlorination of the tap water turned it into, more or less, a mild bleach solution...the alternative being lovely active cryptosporidium. )
They add chlorine to your drinking water and the water you bath in.
Not ours - our household water comes from the ground, the Hawthorne (limestone) aquifer, same place they extract some of the better (or at least more popular) bottled waters from. Means that films of red algae tend to form in the toilets after a couple of days, and the kids aren't getting fluoride in their drinking water, but as terrible as their brushing habits are (and floss, what's that?) they are still cavity free.
They started adding ammonia to the municipal water where I grew up when I was about 10, disgusting stuff, but with good reasons. If you're going to supply drinking water to millions of people through thousands of miles of nasty old underground pipes, it's the cost effective way to make sure you don't end up killing a bunch of them with a bacterial outbreak. I'll pay a little extra for our private water system, thanks.
Your lucky. I have a shallow well that I don't trust for drinking, used to be a few springs that I got my drinking water from, good water, but they've all been shut down due to things like golf courses appearing. I do get my municipal water jsut before the ammonia adding plant so I avoid that but still get the chlorine.
Yeah, shallow wells used to be good for drinking around here, in the 1930s. Since then, you need to get to the deep aquifer for drinking water. Our well still has about 5' of "head" on it, so even without electricity (as in: after a hurricane) we still get a trickle in the low faucets like the bathtub. Used to be a lot more until the municipal water supply tapped the same aquifer - they actually paid for submersible pumps for everyone affected (in the 1960s) - our pump just died two years ago, $1200 to replace - small price for clean water.
Might differ by area, but around here they use chloramine instead of chlorine, because it persists longer.
Chloramine is what you get after adding the ammonia to chlorine.
Don't hold back, give them the good news about flourine also.
For extra fun talk about corrosion inhibitors, the whole Flint Michigan thing was caused by a lack of inhibitors. It certainly wasn't caused by lead pipes, those things had been installed for a century in some cases certainly no new ones have been added in at least half a century. What did change was not adding inhibitors anymore, probably to "save money".
Hmm, interesting. Never heard of adding corrosion inhibitors to the water supply before, perhaps due to the water here being not particularly corrosive (snow melt). Looking at my governments guidelines , it does seem expensive just to monitor and educate the users about the lead in water, little well treating it. I guess the water company that served Flint was criminally negligent for not monitoring for lead, little well treating it.As for fluorine, well we all know about General Jack Tripper.
At least these people are not using Windows and trying not to catch the virus!
Trump (even GOP) is planning to lost election, by killing off his followers.
1) Their is no COVID-19 its just the flu.2) GOP suing to force everyone to go to polls and vote... That raised COVID-19 rate in state.3) Stupid ideas like injecting cleaners. And you got this story.
Now if the offer a Kool-Aid party... watch out.
But this will just lead to marshal law. We have seen in the last week of Blue Line (police), Brown Line (Troops), and ???? Line (every thug they could find without ID), take over Washington DC, because of peaceful protests. There was some bad actors mixed in, no better than the Brown Shirts is take over of German before WWII. This will lead to Trump lossing the election but winning the war as he calls for marshal law, so he become the KING of America.
Next envade Canada and Meixco (sheap labor).
And 100+ BLM protestors right next to each other won't spread COVID? Stupidity is pretty universal.
From a different AC:Of COURSE the parent post was modded flamebait. It showed the fundamental, hypocritical illogic in how Democrats are treating coronavirus spread and deadliness. Is it really a threat? Democrat actions now appear to indicate they really think it's just a cold. Who got slammed and by whom the first time around for having that attitude? Remember? Or maybe Democrats REALLY DO think it is dangerous, and they have the same level of concern for the health of the law-abiding public they have showed with respect to the arsons/assaults/looting associated with the peaceful protests: not much. Either way, it's awful.
P.S. I would LOVE for parent post to be modded anything other than Flamebait -1 because that just CENSORS a legitimate counterargument.
Browse at -1, faggot.
Obviously I saw it, jackass, or how could I respond to it?Are you one of those who drank the bleach, by chance?This was so OTHER PEOPLE would see the post who don't look at -1 posts.
This was so OTHER PEOPLE would see the post who don't look at -1 posts.
Perhaps they don't want to see posts that have been moderated to -1? If they don't want to see it why should the moderation system be changed so that they have to see it?
So COVID is a Democrat hoax right up until it is convenient for you to attack your political enemies?
Interesting how your brain works. Well, more predictable than interesting, but y'know.
The country is reopening too soon!!!
Fuck the police!!! I CAN'T BREATHE!!!
I don't know of anyone that thinks the protests aren't going to spread it. Honestly, the timing couldn't be worse.
But the protesters didn't exactly choose the timing, that was up to George Floyd's killer.
No, it's not the cop's fault.It's the fault of the ENTIRE WHITE RACE since Amerikkka was founded. You're not keeping up with the evolving story here.
And 100+ BLM protestors right next to each other won't spread COVID?
I've heard the argument for allowing the BLM protesters. It is, roughly that the protests will have an effect on another significant cause of death -- the murder of blacks by authoritarians.So it is a trade-off between one cause of death and another.
I'm not convinced. The murder of blacks is endemic, but dies not appear to be as contagious as covid-19, and as such is not exhibiting exponential growth.
It is clear that suppressing these demonstrations by use of force will only inspire the demonstrators to carry on.
Let me try to fix this for you.
Trump will loose despict the Brown Note, but he will declare marshmallow laws, envenerate Canada, and Mexico will pay for the sheep.
Close to what you were trying to say? The spelling is atrocious and deplorable, even by SN standards. But we are all aboot the Freeze peaches, so we will tow your line. It will help you get a new leash on life!
Is there a venery shortage in Canada?
Maybe he meant Marshall Law [youtube.com]
I thought he meant Martian Law [youtube.com]
Russia has downgraded the importance of SN propaganda. I guess Buzzy's stubborn stupidity has at least had some effect for good, can't brainwash people already blinded by idealism.
can't brainwash people already blinded by idealism.
Don't try to brain-bleach them, they are already doing it on their own money.
Cleaning the swamp, one drop of bleach at a time. (grin)
I'll stick to Tide Pods.
Those will make you gain (heh...Gain) a surprising amount of weight if you're not careful. Try All Free & Clear if you're counting calories.
Tide pods and bleach are so...old. The kids are sniffing Tear gas these days.
Who knew DARE would be more than a government acronym???
Drugs Are Really Excellent.
And using pepper spray instead of Lynx.
This country needs this. Trump is a genius.
Compared to someone who would call him one? Sure.
Exposure levels are important with all things good/bad.https://www.endoexperience.com/documents/NaOCl-safeuseetcBritDentJ2007.pdf [endoexperience.com]
For that matter, there are times when it's reasonable to drink what is effectively a highly diluted bleach solution: https://www.epa.gov/ground-water-and-drinking-water/emergency-disinfection-drinking-water [epa.gov]. This isn't for disinfecting the body from infectious agents but to kill microorganisms in potentially contaminated drinking water.
The recommended amount of 6% bleach solution to add to a quart/liter of water is equivalent to 154 microlitres or 0.03125 teaspoons (although the volumes used don't increase linearly the way they should). I highly doubt the people doing these dangerous activities are using anywhere low of that amount or even the correct kind of bleach.
...154 microlitres or 0.03125 teaspoons...
Microlitres? Teaspoons? Please use everyday, easily visualised units for volume - it's 0.0000193 Bugatti Chiron engines.
Couldn't you just give it to me in some units I understand, like liters per gallon.
Let the idiots kill themselves off and hope they haven't reproduced yet.
Unfortunately, the type of hyphenated-American slum dweller who would try this stuff tends to breed young and breed often.
Not according to President Roosevelt!! [wikipedia.org]
Of course, he did not have to hide in a bunker, and tear-gas Americans exercising their constitutional rights, to hold a Bible up San Juan Hill and give special tax benefits to the Teapot Dome.
I thought the people who went for hyphenated names tended to be upper class
I suppose that depends on if you mean given names or surnames. :)
I dated a really cute girl named Bobbie-Jo for many years, from a tiny, tiny little town...
She's got a hyphenated name... :)
And here I thought you White Power folks tended to protect your own.
Oh well, I won't be shedding any tears about you hateful idiots dying off. I do hope none of your younger members drink the kool-aid, they do stand a chance of forging a better path.
They just become a burden on the health system by ringing up the poisons hotline and going to hospital.
It's disappointing that so many people actually believe this stuff, and generally anything the Orange Anus says. I don't hope they die but rather see that he is an idiot with a microphone and camera, and to be ignored.
You can blame incompetent judges and media organizations that treat both sides as equally valid for that. Sometimes, there really is only one valid opinion.
Boomers forced everyone to stay home at gunpoint to give Boomers a safe space.
Boomers forced every business to close at gunpoint to give Boomers a safe space.
Boomers forced everyone to wear face masks at gunpoint to give Boomers a safe space.
Boomers caused the worst economic depression in history to give Boomers a safe space.
Whiny entitled Boomers are the worst generation ever to live.
Boomers must be made to pay with their lives for crimes against civilization.
The Final Solution to COVID-19 is to exterminate every Boomer.
Sweetie, drinking bleach has pickled your brain.
Didn't you hear, Boomer? Drinking bleach will protect you from COVID-19 and black people.
Looters looted your precious businesses that gave you preferential treatment, Boomer. No more preferential treatment for you.
Die, racist selifish Boomer.
This shtick is getting really, really old...
you're welcome to keep trying, though...
Its ultimately a self correcting problem.
You can't fix stupid, but sometimes stupid can fix itself, eh?
To everything there is a season ... this the season of the Darwin Awards? Well, don't get your hopes up. Swarm intelligence works for ants, and even the dumbest functional humans are way smarter than an ant. When they see fellow humans hurt themselves, they can still sometimes string together the cause of that effect, and avoid it themselves.
There's a better way to use bleach.
Let your body's cells generate HOCl (the active ingredient of bleach) from salt solution that you used to gargle and rinse the insides of your nasal cavity. The cell then uses bleach that it made within the cell for antiviral activity.
This paper has the details:"Hypertonic saline nasal irrigation and gargling should be considered as a treatment option for COVID-19"http://www.jogh.org/documents/issue202001/jogh-10-010332.htm [jogh.org]
(Ignore the less than impressive presentation. This is a preprint paper accepted for publication. The group's previous research has appeared in 'Nature').
Here's how you do it:
> ...from salt solution that you use to gargle ...
Let me improve on that recipe. From salty semen that you use to gargle - at least someone gets some benefit.
My mom recommended salt water gargles for colds of all types 50 years ago...
My dentist recommends it after oral surgery.
39 percent admitted to doing at least one non-recommended cleaning practice the CDC considers high risk.
Think of somebody you know with an I.Q. of 100, now, realize: half the people in the world are dumber than that.
Nothin' like the morning cup o' Clorox to get the day started.
I personally won't go anywhere near the stuff its totally banned in my household but i'v tried talking to people about their over use of bleach and found out that many people are actually addicted to bleach fumes.
Wow, dumber than advertised. I remember knowing better in kindergarten. We even had a lady in a green superhero costume come in and remind us that it's bad to eat or drink cleaning products.
Apparently the labels need an update to let small children know they need to hide the cleaning products from "adults".
I found that two teaspoons of bleach per 5 gallon of water in a jerry can will keep green stuff from growing in it. I think the CDC lists one teaspoon per 5 gallons, but I think that from the tap and not rain water. I got about 20 of these nice 5 gal jerry cans that connect together lego style. Stacks up nicely against a wall. I used to cycle through them watering the chickens, until the tornado killed them. So that dosage isn't even enough to kill a chicken.
Anyway, you can drink bleach. It doesn't smell appealing but it's better than dehydrating. Probably better to use pool shock, but that's used as a precursor for stuff that doesn't mix well with prepping. Unless you want some feds to pull a waco on you.
Anyway, you can drink bleach. It doesn't smell appealing but it's better than dehydrating. Probably better to use pool shock, ...
Even better, add a little pool shock to some coke (or generic cola; not cocaine) Just make sure that the pool shock contains calcium hypochlorite. (Don't use "stabilized" chlorine for this.)
Disclaimer... do not do the above... it is a very serious chemical reaction.I am not a chemist... (just a computer geek that worked in a pool store while going to school 30 years ago.)and like the dumb kid I was in college... I had to try it... even a small teaspoon amount added to little more then backwash in a nearly empty 2 liter bottle of cola lead to a violent reaction back then.