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posted by Fnord666 on Sunday June 21 2020, @11:53PM   Printer-friendly

Arthur T Knackerbracket has found the following story:

Australia's conservative government announced plans Friday to double university fees for humanities students, in a bid to push people into more useful, "job-relevant" courses like maths and science.

Under the proposal—which critics panned as an "ideological assault"—the cost of degrees like history or cultural studies will rise up to 113 percent to around US$29,000, while other courses such as nursing and information technology will become cheaper.

Education Minister Dan Tehan—an arts graduate with two advanced degrees in international relations—said the government wanted to corral young people towards "jobs of the future" to boost the country's economic recovery from the coronavirus pandemic.

"If you are wanting to do philosophy, which will be great for your critical thinking, also think about doing IT," Tehan said.

The plan would help pay for an additional 39,000 university places by 2023 and for cost cuts for courses like science, agriculture, maths and languages.

[...] "I'm an arts graduate and so is the minister for education so I'm not sure you can draw the conclusion that we're completely unemployable," said opposition lawmaker Tanya Plibersek.


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  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday June 25 2020, @02:29AM (5 children)

    by khallow (3766) on Thursday June 25 2020, @02:29AM (#1012265) Journal

    Yet developed nations have replaced wars between themselves with wars within themselves. And these wars seem likely to be equivalently perpetual.

    So what? Why should we desire such "wars" to end? I for one find that there are important parameters missing from your discussion of wars - such as body count. A war that kills a few people every few years is vastly preferable to a war that kills tens of millions of people every year.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 25 2020, @07:06PM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 25 2020, @07:06PM (#1012561)

    What makes you think these are mutually exclusive ideas? As the divides grow sharper, we trend towards climax. If Trump had chosen to deploy the military to quell the rioting, it's very possible that we'd be in the middle of Civil War 2 today.

    And wars within are destroying people's minds. They're seeing enemies where none exist and gradually growing literally insane with quantifiably skyrocketing rates of mental illness alongside general emotion and psychological instability.

    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday June 25 2020, @11:06PM (3 children)

      by khallow (3766) on Thursday June 25 2020, @11:06PM (#1012684) Journal

      What makes you think these are mutually exclusive ideas?

      The parameter fixes one important part, creating exclusion in that way.

      As the divides grow sharper, we trend towards climax.

      Indefinite "war" doesn't imply divides grow sharper. Something else is going on.

      And wars within are destroying people's minds. They're seeing enemies where none exist and gradually growing literally insane with quantifiably skyrocketing rates of mental illness alongside general emotion and psychological instability.

      {Citation needed}

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 26 2020, @06:18AM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 26 2020, @06:18AM (#1012800)

        Come on, now you're just being both lazy and uninformed. This [psychiatryonline.org] study references the state of mental health in the US and references several other papers as well. It is mentioned in passing since this is now, I thought, common knowledge. You can also get data from the National Institute of Mental Health. [nih.gov] I think they probably made a conscious decision to avoid offering graphs (because the trend looks *bad*), but you can remedy this in two ways. First, the sites they reference for their data do often offer trend charts. Second, you can be lazy and just use something like the Internet Archive. [archive.org] That link is their statistics page from about a decade ago.

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday June 26 2020, @11:01PM

          by khallow (3766) on Friday June 26 2020, @11:01PM (#1013022) Journal
          Ok. So do you have evidence to support your claims? I looked and didn't see anything obvious. And laziness is a virtue here. It's not my job to prove your shit. If you don't bother to back your claims with evidence then that's a strong signal that your claim is false.
        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday June 27 2020, @03:02AM

          by khallow (3766) on Saturday June 27 2020, @03:02AM (#1013103) Journal
          As an aside, I did look at your links and well, not seeing the effects you claim are there. I'll note two things that indicate to me something wrong with this narrative. First, crime rates are going down (such as here [wikipedia.org]). You'd think "quantifiably skyrocketing rates of mental illness" would quantifiably skyrocket those crime rates! Second, increasing age is negatively correlated with mental illness in those links (just like increasing age is with crime, FWIW) and the US population is collectively aging. Where's that effect in your model?

          My take is that your "skyrocketing" will vanish once we take into account the fact that many cases are being recognized now which would be roundly ignored in earlier decades - observation bias. If you look for more mental illness, you will find more mental illness. It doesn't mean that there's an actual increase.