Again, that's a failure in those surrendering the debate not in the policy. If you don't want radical nutters to win the site, you have to fight them. TANSTAAFL.
Fighting noise with signal is what I meant. Yes, they're exactly why God created the mouse wheel but if you're letting them keep you from posting something worth reading, you're being part of the problem not part of the solution.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 26 2020, @05:45AM
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by Anonymous Coward
on Friday June 26 2020, @05:45AM (#1012795)
"Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it."
To see what things trend towards, look at Wikipedia. There are people on that site voluntarily putting in 80 hour weeks just to shit post/edit political diatribes. They undoubtedly delude themselves into thinking they're changing the world, but it's likely had a zero if not negative effect. The negative deriving from the fact that political stuff tends to backfire once you go overtly partisan. See: Trump being elected likely not in spite of the nonstop negative media coverage of his campaign, but because of it.
When people of any ideology become sufficiently radicalized, they will out-radical you, by definition.
Well, yeah. If you don't care about and believe in your position as much as they do, they're going to put more effort in. So either care about it enough to put the work in or stop caring about it enough that it makes you unhappy. Moderation is not always a good thing.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 26 2020, @06:55PM
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by Anonymous Coward
on Friday June 26 2020, @06:55PM (#1012944)
I'd obviously agree moderation is not always a good thing. Problem is it seems that view is not especially consistent when paired with forums where moderation, above and beyond the removal of spam, is implemented as playing an integral role. If exaeta had gotten the memo and just modded everybody as 'troll' - the hip new thing to do, he'd have been all clear. You don't find this system kind of 'touched'?
Nope. We have way more good moderators than bad moderators, though who's good and who's bad on any given day is not a static list. There are plenty of points out there available to correct any moderation worth correcting.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday June 25 2020, @06:51PM (6 children)
Again, that's a failure in those surrendering the debate not in the policy. If you don't want radical nutters to win the site, you have to fight them. TANSTAAFL.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday June 25 2020, @07:49PM (1 child)
If you don't want radical nutters to win the site, you have to fight them.
No you don't. You don't have to "fight" anything. Just drift around them.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 3, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday June 25 2020, @09:48PM
Fighting noise with signal is what I meant. Yes, they're exactly why God created the mouse wheel but if you're letting them keep you from posting something worth reading, you're being part of the problem not part of the solution.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 26 2020, @05:45AM (3 children)
"Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it."
To see what things trend towards, look at Wikipedia. There are people on that site voluntarily putting in 80 hour weeks just to shit post/edit political diatribes. They undoubtedly delude themselves into thinking they're changing the world, but it's likely had a zero if not negative effect. The negative deriving from the fact that political stuff tends to backfire once you go overtly partisan. See: Trump being elected likely not in spite of the nonstop negative media coverage of his campaign, but because of it.
When people of any ideology become sufficiently radicalized, they will out-radical you, by definition.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday June 26 2020, @01:51PM (2 children)
Well, yeah. If you don't care about and believe in your position as much as they do, they're going to put more effort in. So either care about it enough to put the work in or stop caring about it enough that it makes you unhappy. Moderation is not always a good thing.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 26 2020, @06:55PM (1 child)
I'd obviously agree moderation is not always a good thing. Problem is it seems that view is not especially consistent when paired with forums where moderation, above and beyond the removal of spam, is implemented as playing an integral role. If exaeta had gotten the memo and just modded everybody as 'troll' - the hip new thing to do, he'd have been all clear. You don't find this system kind of 'touched'?
(Score: 4, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday June 27 2020, @03:11AM
Nope. We have way more good moderators than bad moderators, though who's good and who's bad on any given day is not a static list. There are plenty of points out there available to correct any moderation worth correcting.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.