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Absurdity of the Electoral College:
Here's one nice thing we can now say about the Electoral College: it's slightly less harmful to our democracy than it was just days ago. In a 9-0 decision, the Supreme Court ruled that states have the right to "bind" their electors, requiring them to support whichever presidential candidate wins the popular vote in their state. Justice Elena Kagan's opinion was a blow to so-called "faithless electors," but a win for self-government. "Here," she wrote, "the People rule."
Yet while we can all breathe a sigh of relief that rogue electors won't choose (or be coerced) into derailing the 2020 presidential contest, the Court's unanimous ruling is a helpful reminder that our two-step electoral process provides America with no tangible benefits and near-limitless possibilities for disaster. To put it more bluntly, the Electoral College is a terrible idea. And thanks to the Justices' decision, getting rid of it has never been easier.
[...] The Electoral College, in other words, serves no useful purpose, other than to intermittently and randomly override the people's will. It's the appendix of our body politic. Most of the time we don't notice it, and then every so often it flares up and nearly kills us.
[...] Justice Kagan's words – "Here, the People rule" – are stirring. But today, they are still more aspiration than declaration. By declining to make the Electoral College an even great threat to our democracy, the Court did its job. Now it's up to us. If you live in a state that hasn't joined the interstate compact, you can urge your state legislators and your governor to sign on. And no matter where you're from, you can dispel the myths about the Electoral College and who it really helps, myths that still lead some people to support it despite its total lack of redeeming qualities.
More than 215 years after the Electoral College was last reformed with the 12th Amendment, we once again have the opportunity to protect our presidential-election process and reassert the people's will. Regardless of who wins the White House in 2020, it's a chance we should take.
Would you get rid of the Electoral College? Why or why not?
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(Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Monday July 13 2020, @05:03PM (21 children)
Because, Hillary actually won the "popular vote" by the slimmest of margins. The Dems don't think they should ever lose, and especially not when they control all of those inner city population clusters.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Monday July 13 2020, @05:08PM (7 children)
I like how you put it that Democrats "control" inner city population clusters.
Maybe if the Republican party represented the interests of more people, they might "control" those dense population clusters?
Would a Dyson sphere [soylentnews.org] actually work?
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday July 13 2020, @05:14PM (1 child)
They effectively do. They've had to put a hell of a lot of money and effort into brainwashing with class/race/sex/etc... divisiveness, but it's paid off pretty well if your only goal is power.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 13 2020, @09:46PM
It sure is weird how you've been brainwashed to believe you're a free independent thinker while parroting rightwing pundit garbage.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 13 2020, @05:29PM
Ever seen city districting? Gerrymandering on steroids.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 13 2020, @05:32PM (3 children)
The Republicans already control the deplorables. Therefore it follows, that if Republicans manage to reduce more citizens to third-world status, they get more votes. That appears to have been their strategy for decades.
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 13 2020, @05:56PM (2 children)
You are your own worst enemy. Want to know why I don't vote democrat? Those that survive institutionalized murder by planned parenthood (and if you don't think so, try undergoing an abortion on yourself and then let me know what your opinion on it is), are then called "deplorables" by democrats. Want to see a democrat advocate for evil? Just have the evil person be a transgender. Want to ruin the Olympics for women? Allow men to claim to be women and then compete and absolutely PWN the women. Oh yea, sounds like the democrats are really looking out for the common person. You're a party that stands for evil and wrong and you don't even know it because your moral compass is pointing at yourself. My moral compass doesn't point at me or whatever my party decides is the "correctness" of the day.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 13 2020, @08:52PM
That's it, mandatory k-12 reeducation camps for conservatives. Don't worry, we'll treat you better than all those kids in cages.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 13 2020, @09:02PM
In other words, you are too stupid to be allowed to vote. Noted. Officers will be along shortly to collect you. Have a nice time at the irdeplorablization camp! (Oh, that "moral" compass? It's a watch. And, it's broken. Sorry.)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 13 2020, @05:17PM (1 child)
The best way to get rid of the Democrats is to get rid of Republicans at the first favorable opportunity - and viceversa, just break the two party deadlock by voting one of them out of existence. In the vacuum created, more parties/independents will get their voices heard, chances are some of them will be reasonable enough by comparison to push the Dems out of existence after their first legislature without Reps.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday July 13 2020, @05:24PM
Well, that way would be effective but it'd be quicker to just line any office holder with a major party affiliation up and shoot them. Guess it depends on what your criteria for "best" are.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 4, Informative) by cmdrklarg on Monday July 13 2020, @06:44PM (9 children)
I wouldn't call 2.87 million votes (out of ~129 million) the slimmest of margins.
What I call the slimmest of margins is the number of votes that won 3 states for Trump (WI, MI, and PA); a grand total of 78,000 (23K, 11K, & 44k respectively).
I do see why we need something like the EC. We could possibly divide the EC votes for a state by the percentage of the vote totals? That way you don't have the votes of red voters in CA, and blue voters in AL having no effect on the election, plus the candidates couldn't just ignore the flyover states.
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 13 2020, @07:24PM (8 children)
Another way of looking at things is that she won California by a wider *margin* than she won the popular vote. If California split on a normal margin, she'd have lost the popular vote and electoral vote alongside.
The idea of a electoral college is to avoid having state radicalism play a major role. If California goes batshit leftist, which they have, with your idea it'd make every other state's elections pretty much meaningless. This is a *really* bad idea in a nation that's already increasingly divided.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by cmdrklarg on Monday July 13 2020, @08:51PM (7 children)
No, she won the popular vote by 2.87 million votes. The state's totals would not have changed that.
We don't have a real batshit leftist group in the US. We have Democrats (center-right) and Republicans (extreme-right). I'm guessing you lean Republican; just remember that everything else is left when you are extreme right.
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 13 2020, @09:05PM (1 child)
What a coincidence!
Almost exactly the number of Covid-19 infections in the US? Just saying.
(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Tuesday July 14 2020, @03:24PM
We've sailed past that long ago. Thanks Trump!
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @05:58AM (4 children)
I love how you decide to state things so matter of fact without even bothering to check the data. She won California by more than 4.2 million votes. In other words her entire "popular vote victory" is a fraction of her margin in California.
And left/right is a completely meaningless qualifier in today's times. If you haven't realized it, the actual battle right now is authoritarianism vs libertarianism. California is tearing down statues, destroying artwork, actively stoking selective xenophobia, and the hub for political censorship and retribution on an international scale. It's so ironic (but typical) that San Francisco is also the center of endless virtue signaling. Unimaginably wealthy people signaling their virtue as they step over the masses of homeless, impoverished, and human excrement on the way to their billion dollar open office platforms of social justice. It's like something out of a satire, but it's real life. The democratic party in general is turning towards a degree of political authoritarianism come fascism that has not been seen in the (developed) world in many decades. And it never leads to good things. I am liberal but have gone from being luke warm on the democratic party to vehemently anti-democrat - a transition I expect many are currently going through.
Some who know no better might find it unusual to call the democratic party fascist. After all Wiki tells me that only right wing parties can be fascist. Here is the Fascist Manifesto. [wikipedia.org] That is *literally* the book on Fascism that motivated and guided the Fascist Party. You'll probably find you agree with just about everything they stood for on paper. You filthy fascist! Of course I kid on that part - they're not bad ideals by any means. So why do we now just call them the fascists? Because they acted like fascists in pursuits of their ideals - and that behavior has nothing to do with left or right wing. About the time you're trying to destroy people for their political opinions, destroying statues for what they (in your mind) politically represent, and destroying artwork because it's "problematic" - you've become a fascist, and that is how history (once all of this stupidity settles down) will remember you, once again. Oh and let's not forget the rewriting of history to pretend that you can't be fascist because you're liberal - that is something out of 1984.
(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Tuesday July 14 2020, @03:50PM (2 children)
It simply does not matter if CA had a margin of 4.2 million. The popular vote is the grand total for the entire US. Why would a arbitrary section of it matter?
I more or less agree on your last two paragraphs. My only comment is that both parties have been strongly authoritarian for quite a long time. That and the fact that both parties seem to run by the extremists.
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday July 14 2020, @04:37PM (1 child)
Because the popular vote implies she was widely supported in America, but somehow unjustly lost. In reality the election looks like:
1 State: Wins by 4.2 million votes
49 States: Loses by 1.3 million votes.
It paints a much different picture than "won the popular vote." Of course it's an accurate fact to state that she won the popular vote, but it's misleading. Even more so because I think California's version of "liberalism" is somewhat 'special'. Those guys loving a candidate is not something to praise.
(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Wednesday July 15 2020, @03:09PM
Again, why does this matter? Are the CA voters somehow not valid because of some nebulous "special liberalism"? No, their votes count too.
Disagreeing with their politics doesn't give you the right to disenfranchise them.
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 1) by hemocyanin on Wednesday July 15 2020, @02:43AM
Great post.
And for Azuma's benefit, you see I'm not the only liberal disgusted by the DNC. Your tactics are failing.
(Score: 2) by fyngyrz on Monday July 13 2020, @06:58PM
1.1% -- that's not all that slim. Clinton got 51.1% of the vote:
65,788,583 vs. 62,955,363
The obverse of that particular coin: Trump lost the popular vote quite soundly.
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Democracy: Where any two idiots outvote a genius.