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posted by martyb on Thursday July 16 2020, @11:28AM   Printer-friendly
from the sudden-outbreak-of-common-sense? dept.

Trump admin caves to Harvard and MIT, won’t deport online-only students:

The Trump administration has rescinded a controversial policy that could have forced the deportation of foreign students who attend colleges that aren't offering in-person classes during the coronavirus pandemic.

As we reported last week, Harvard University and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology sued the Trump administration to block the policy issued by US Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). Under the policy change announced July 6, foreign students with nonimmigrant (F-1 and M-1) visas would have had to leave the United States or transfer to different schools that offer in-person classes.

But US officials agreed to rescind the new policy in a settlement with Harvard and MIT, as revealed [Tuesday] at a hearing on the case at US District Court for the District of Massachusetts. "At a short hearing Tuesday afternoon, US District Judge Allison Burroughs confirmed that a settlement had been reached," The Wall Street Journal reported. "She said the government would rescind the policy, withdraw an FAQ detailing the rule and return to the status quo of guidance issued in the spring."

Under a policy issued on March 13, which is back in effect because of the settlement, ICE provided an exemption to the rule that F-1 students must attend classes in person. The Harvard/MIT lawsuit pointed out that, when ICE issued this exemption, "the government made clear that this arrangement was 'in effect for the duration of the emergency.'" But the Trump administration's July 6 order reversed that policy despite the pandemic raging on and the fact that President Trump had not rescinded his national emergency declaration.

Harvard and MIT argued in their lawsuit that the Trump administration's July 6 policy change "is arbitrary and capricious because it fails to consider important aspects of the problem before the agency... fails to offer any reasoned basis that could justify the policy." The lawsuit also argues that the change violates a requirement to provide public notice and take comments.

Previously:
(2020-07-08) New Rules: Foreign Pupils Must Leave US if Classes Go Online-Only


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  • (Score: 2) by looorg on Thursday July 16 2020, @11:59AM (18 children)

    by looorg (578) on Thursday July 16 2020, @11:59AM (#1022363)

    All about the money. It's so hard to make the students pay full tuition fees if they can't sit on campus. Being an online student just isn't worth the amount of money they want for their education package.

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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @12:22PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @12:22PM (#1022365)

    Yellow chickening out. Because the public health is in shambles and there nothing to show for it in economy.
    Are you tired of winning yet? MAGA!

    • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @12:41PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @12:41PM (#1022372)

      Gotta say it's absofuckinglutely tremendous to see a MAGA comment moderated Spam, the irony is exquisite!!!1!1!
      Eds, don't revert it, let it this way for the posteriority.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @12:23PM (9 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @12:23PM (#1022367)

    IDK why the administration tried this when they can cancel the visas instead. [newsmax.com]

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by c0lo on Thursday July 16 2020, @01:02PM (3 children)

      by c0lo (156) on Thursday July 16 2020, @01:02PM (#1022384) Journal

      IDK why the administration tried this when they can cancel the visas instead.

      Because they're dumb. They never should have tried this one at all, this is one of the few ways the Americans get money from the Chinese (that and soybeans and pork).

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      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @01:54PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @01:54PM (#1022395)

        After reading the summary, it seems this stems more from a standpoint of, "we need to pretend the pandemic is over or I wont get re-elected" rather than "get those foreigners out!"

        Honestly, I can't tell which is worse, this administration has forced me to add entirely new space to my evil ranking system.

        Curious how long it'll be before he becomes the first president to be impeached twice. Given that the founders saw impeachment as the thing preventing exactly the Rodger Stone scenario, that is a president that pardons his accomplices.

        • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @03:16PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @03:16PM (#1022430)

          Seemed to be a ploy to pressure educational establishments into reopening for economic reasons more than an outward manifestation of some xenophobic evil tbh.

          • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday July 16 2020, @04:42PM

            by c0lo (156) on Thursday July 16 2020, @04:42PM (#1022466) Journal

            Maybe originally t was, but since they backtracked to the point of origin, where's the ploy now?

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    • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @01:07PM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @01:07PM (#1022385)

      Trump wants to avoid a backlash of the Chinese-lives-matter movement. That is, swinging voters who are cynical of his diplomatic spat with President Xi and would see the eviction of thousands of Chinese nationals as innocents caught in the cross-fire of cold war dick waving.

      This way the administration can make it about COVID19 community transmission health concerns, the economy and American jobs for Americans. Even if you're, say, a student from Hungary and you're collateral damage in the War on China.

      • (Score: 2) by Bot on Thursday July 16 2020, @02:51PM (3 children)

        by Bot (3902) on Thursday July 16 2020, @02:51PM (#1022419) Journal

        Chinese lives matter, it would be wonderful if at least the Chinese believed that.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @06:36PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @06:36PM (#1022505)

          They do you zombie, that is why they actually locked down Wuhan and cemented people in their houses. Not that I want that to happen in the US but with the MAGA idiots putting everyone else in danger it probably would be the only way.

          Or have you not been paying attention to anything but Fox News?

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @08:52PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @08:52PM (#1022570)

            Not that I want that to happen in the US but with the MAGA idiots putting everyone else in danger it probably would be the only way.

            You see, the Chinese knew that there is a certain part of society that is just fucked up and doesn't listed unless forced. So they forced everyone to do it and it's done.

        • (Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Friday July 17 2020, @03:34AM

          by hendrikboom (1125) on Friday July 17 2020, @03:34AM (#1022732) Homepage Journal

          Uyghur lives matter; it would be nice if the Chinese agreed.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @02:37PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 16 2020, @02:37PM (#1022410)

    For the foreign students it is, because they log time spent in the US.

  • (Score: 1, Troll) by Bot on Thursday July 16 2020, @02:47PM (4 children)

    by Bot (3902) on Thursday July 16 2020, @02:47PM (#1022416) Journal

    I tend to agree. Orange man had made the sensible choice, if you don't need to be there then you don't need to be there: lefties disagreed by default, University and landlords and Starbucks quietly elbowed the administration, he caved in.

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    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by Common Joe on Thursday July 16 2020, @03:54PM (3 children)

      by Common Joe (33) <{common.joe.0101} {at} {gmail.com}> on Thursday July 16 2020, @03:54PM (#1022448) Journal

      There are many things to consider. For instance:

      • If we kick the students out, then they aren't here paying money inside the U.S. (for food and a roof). They are back home supporting their local economy instead of the U.S. Indeed, I saw an article a few days ago saying the economic impact of sending the students back would severely hurt the U.S.
      • The students being kicked out might be locked in a contract. They may have to continue paying for their U.S. apartment despite being kicked out to their home country where they will have to pay for yet another apartment.
      • The students who come from overseas have a big time difference if they go back home. It might be 2 AM when they are attending an online class or having to do homework. (Speaking to your classmates while doing a group project in the middle of the night while your parents and siblings are trying to sleep isn't a great thing.)
      • We should be talking only about students who would be here normally. Once they graduate or if they are kicked out of the university for other reasons, they should go home under normal rules.
      • And for all these reasons, students who are considering coming to the U.S. will have second thoughts despite the reversal. Speaking from personal experience, doing school in another country is really difficult. There are burdens that internationals carry that local students don't. Additional unnecessary headaches like this would make me reject a country outright.
      • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday July 16 2020, @04:18PM

        by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday July 16 2020, @04:18PM (#1022461) Journal

        doing school in another country is really difficult.

        There was a time when it was really special, and the US was the most powerful magnet, until 1971, when the first McDonald's opened in Europe

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      • (Score: 2) by Joe Desertrat on Thursday July 16 2020, @10:16PM (1 child)

        by Joe Desertrat (2454) on Thursday July 16 2020, @10:16PM (#1022601)

        You can also add that we could be losing a large number of intelligent, well educated immigrants that might otherwise have stayed, become citizens, and contributed a great deal. You know, the kind of people that "made America great".

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 17 2020, @02:23PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 17 2020, @02:23PM (#1022895)

          He's mad that these foreign Ph.D. students are taking away all of the jobs that could be staffed by all of the people who lost their jobs in the manufacturing sectors. As Ivanka says, just do something different! Today you're working the assembly line, and tomorrow you could be a doing surgery as a neurosurgeon (maskless, of course, because requiring masks in the operating room is an egregious affront to your personal liberties)!