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Breaking News: Russia Seizes Power in Crimea
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(Score: 5, Interesting) by ivan on Sunday March 02 2014, @03:24AM
1. US and Europe finance radical Ukrainian Nazi antiRussian groups for 20 years.
2. Nazi groups commence Coup d'etat during a wave of legitimate protests (mainly) against government corruption and (less so) for Europe integration.
3. The transition government is formed, it includes known Nazi figures. General prosecutor is Nazi. One of the first laws passed, is to revoke the status of Russian language as official language in Russian-speaking regions. Some Nazi thugs urge to expell Russians.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkiSPMpTp_I [youtube.com]
4. US and Europe are quickly to support the new-formed government. No objections to Nazis being parts of it are made.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/ukraine-and-the-polit ics-of-anti-semitism-west-upholds-neo-nazi-repress ion-of-ukraines-jewish-community/5370790 [globalresearch.ca]
5. Civilian people are being shot dead, stabbed tortured and burned for not being in favor of Nazis.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TkAkcMceNg [youtube.com]
6. People in Russian-speaking regions quickly realize: they either revolt, or will be crushed and terrorized for the decades to come. Well-organized Sevastopol (of Crimea) is first to denounce new government and select new local leader. Russian Federation is silent for two days, until it is clearly understood, that Crimean people will fight for the independence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atm0W5wA2y4 [youtube.com]
7. Russia supports Crimea, first verbally, then militarily.
8. Cities of Donetsk, Kharkov, Odessa, Dnipropetrovsk and many more hold large rallies against new government of Ukraine and in support of Sevastopol. Pro-Coup Nazi thugs are being expelled from government buildings, pro-Coup officials stripped of their positions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp0BHGleDMw [youtube.com]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncRMVOL5ZeY [youtube.com]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCvoznIsUuc [youtube.com]
9. Ukrainian government urges organized crime groups, Army and Nazi thugs to suppress revolts in Kharkov, Dnipropetrovsk and other cities, also sends troops to fight in Crimea.
10. ???
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 02 2014, @05:27AM
[This comment posted as AC so as to not undo moderation.]
Glad to see a well-referenced counterpoint!
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(Score: 1) by tibman on Sunday March 02 2014, @07:54AM
It probably had to do with calling west Ukraine a bunch of Nazis. Oh, and also saying that the US and Europe supported Nazis. Because that makes sense.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 02 2014, @08:51AM
Where did you read West Ukraine == Nazis? Or, maybe, it is not in your shill playbook to actually use provided sources?
(Score: 1) by Angry Jesus on Sunday March 02 2014, @10:10AM
Seems to be a post that is all about half-truths. The author's entire premise is to say that everybody in the revolution are nazis. For example, "Civilian people are being shot dead, stabbed tortured and burned for not being in favor of Nazis." and a link to a video clip about some rogue assholes shooting people.
Also, "General prosecutor is Nazi" - Oleh Makhnitsky, the general prosecutor is a member of the nationalist Svoboda party, but being a nationalist does not make someone a nazi.
It sure looks like the nazi thing has been widely overblown - the Svoboda party is only 10% of the population and while I am sure they have some extremists - as a convenient talking point out of Moscow. This wapo article [washingtonpost.com] does a better job of explaining what's going on than any dubiously cited post screaming "nazi, nazi, nazi!"
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 02 2014, @10:43AM
Man, the only way to be in touch with reality is to do your own research. No single article from Western (or Eastern, for that matter) paid and bought media can provide you with truthful view of such complex issue.
It is called propaganda. If you don't do your own research you become a slave to it.
(Score: 3, Informative) by VLM on Sunday March 02 2014, @12:43PM
He's getting flamed out because he is badly confusing the PR campaign of the moment with the geopolitical realities and long term shifts.
The relevant problem is the Russians lost their empire about a generation ago and are a little butthurt about the whole topic. Meanwhile, for reasons bordering on insanity, as per some Snowden info the USA is getting WAY too involved in the deep internal politics of a border state to the point of near outright intervention. Needless to say the Russians are pissed and rightly so. It would be like the US response if the Russians more or less took over and started attempting to actively control a Canadian political party. The whole foreign policy goal is insane, and we have no input on it or control over it.
So we get a comment all about the leaves of the trees instead of looking at the forest. The PR campaign is currently oriented around appealing to old people and those of a certain religious affiliation by Nazi comparisons. Which looks comical to folks outside those groups, talk about a desperate over-reaching. For comparison, our own neo-con lunatics are further right than the people we're talking about. If anything this situation is "what would happen if moderate neo-cons took over". Admittedly would not be a good situation, but only a lunatic would start making ridiculous claims... worst case scenario is it would look like Utah or something.
The most recent Dan Carlin podcast more or less predicted this outcome. There is also a meta-issue where "the public" is getting tired of the GWOT lies after about a decade, now its time for some new lies, a new PR campaign. A second cold war would be nearly ideal. The Dan Carlin prediction is the next step will be thawing relations between Russia and China, and chilling relations between China and the USA. This will not be entirely discouraged by the USA... so we've sold China lots of our debt, now just stiffing an ally would not be cool, but once they're the axis of evil, sure, default on their worthless bonds. Meanwhile a lot of mfgr jobs come back to a USA deep in the 2nd great depression, AND the military industrial complex gets new orders for un-needed jet airplanes and tanks and stuff. The Chinese don't much care because they already know our debt is worthless but need to save face and having their "enemy" default saves face for them pretty well. The Russians are happy because the Chinese would love to trade raw resources (oil, all of freaking siberia, etc) for some mfgr'd goods and the like. I'm not sure who, if anyone, doesn't want this scenario?
As Carlin said, something along the lines of "only Nixon could go to China" is playing out in the mid 2010s as "only Putin could go to China". So enjoy cheap Chinese garbage at walmart while you can, its going away very soon.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by AsteroidMining on Sunday March 02 2014, @05:52PM
Yeah, if you read the US press, you won't see too many mentions of the Svoboda party [salon.com], much less the Ukrainische Hilfspolizei and the Hiwi's and connections both of these groups had with the the Bandera OUN and, thus, with the current-day Svobodites.
There is a complicated history here. We in the States ignore it at our peril.