It's a shame because when the fit hits the shan like in this situation many Europeans would clamor for U.S. intervention.
What if the Baltic states od Latvia, Lithuania and Eatonia are next? Or perhaps it'll be Poland's turn to be "liberated" by the Russians?
When they came for Chechnya we did nothing, when they came for Georgia, we kept mostly quiet. Well, you know how the rest of this (paraphrased) quote goes.
I am not exactly a fan of US international politics and policies, but the Libya crisis and to a less extent Syria highlighted the ridiculous hypocrisy in what I'd consider left-wing protesters.
demand western powers "do something" because human rights violations are happening and people are suffering. Though not always explicit, the loudest of these demands are directed at the US
EU powers (despite sufficient military might) and Islamic countries (who are culturally closer to the issue) do absolutely nothing of substance and wait for the US to do something
the US delays action because it doesn't want to be seen as acting unilaterally. They are then criticized for not acting quickly enough as more people die
the US finally commits military forces as equal partners with other EU members, makes it clear it's for air ops only, and hands over control to EU command as soon as its limited-scope objectives are completed
the US is then criticized for attacking/invading Libya and resulting regime change.
Well FFS WTF did you lot expect when you demanded action to relieve the human suffering being caused by the regime?? If diplomacy and strongly worded letters and sanctions were effective you wouldn't be demanding US "do something" in the first place!
Now, maybe I'm wrong and #1 and #3 is mostly driven by those on the right, but if the left are demanding no interference in foreign affairs whatsoever then they aren't demonstrating the compassion for others that the left typically professes as a trait.
Thank you, but I DONT want to be "liberated" by US troops. We have NATO for that in EU.
Sadly, like the second poster already joked, all NATO will do is a stern letter. UN already finished deliberating and decided to do dick about the whole thing.
We need blue helmets on Ukrainian ground _right now_.
As someone in eastern Europe (Estonia, so I also have Putin as the scary neighbour just to the east), indeed, the peace must be kept. The problem is that Ukraine in 2010 bent over and said "we're your bitch", which kinda makes it harder to protect them - the enemy is already within - and very well established at that.
Maybe it's time to slice the country into the old Kievan Rus territories in the centre, north, and west, from the more Russian-influenced territories in the south east? Support for the various factions (and majority language spoken) divides remarkably well along that line. Guarantee freedom of movement, and a choice of either nationality to those born either side of the line and for one generation.
-- Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by pixeldyne on Sunday March 02 2014, @04:57AM
It's a shame because when the fit hits the shan like in this situation many Europeans would clamor for U.S. intervention.
What if the Baltic states od Latvia, Lithuania and Eatonia are next? Or perhaps it'll be Poland's turn to be "liberated" by the Russians?
When they came for Chechnya we did nothing, when they came for Georgia, we kept mostly quiet. Well, you know how the rest of this (paraphrased) quote goes.
Oh well, at least we have "peace in our time".
(Score: 1) by quacking duck on Sunday March 02 2014, @05:48AM
I am not exactly a fan of US international politics and policies, but the Libya crisis and to a less extent Syria highlighted the ridiculous hypocrisy in what I'd consider left-wing protesters.
Well FFS WTF did you lot expect when you demanded action to relieve the human suffering being caused by the regime?? If diplomacy and strongly worded letters and sanctions were effective you wouldn't be demanding US "do something" in the first place!
Now, maybe I'm wrong and #1 and #3 is mostly driven by those on the right, but if the left are demanding no interference in foreign affairs whatsoever then they aren't demonstrating the compassion for others that the left typically professes as a trait.
(Score: 1) by citizenr on Sunday March 02 2014, @08:34AM
Thank you, but I DONT want to be "liberated" by US troops.
We have NATO for that in EU.
Sadly, like the second poster already joked, all NATO will do is a stern letter. UN already finished deliberating and decided to do dick about the whole thing.
We need blue helmets on Ukrainian ground _right now_.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by maxwell demon on Sunday March 02 2014, @01:32PM
Given that Russia is a veto power in the UN, you'll not see any UN action in that matter.
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by FatPhil on Sunday March 02 2014, @02:39PM
The problem is that Ukraine in 2010 bent over and said "we're your bitch", which kinda makes it harder to protect them - the enemy is already within - and very well established at that.
Maybe it's time to slice the country into the old Kievan Rus territories in the centre, north, and west, from the more Russian-influenced territories in the south east? Support for the various factions (and majority language spoken) divides remarkably well along that line. Guarantee freedom of movement, and a choice of either nationality to those born either side of the line and for one generation.
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 1) by DNied on Sunday March 02 2014, @09:39AM
That would fit as the new name for the USA.