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In one of the discussions, it was mentioned that Federal troops were seen in Albuquerque. Email from the White House has the following:
NEW: President Trump announces actions to restore safety and peace in U.S. citiesOn June 29, 4-year-old LeGend Taliferro was shot and killed in his bed after a gunman opened fire on an apartment complex in Kansas City, Missouri.
This afternoon, President Trump announced the expansion of Operation Legend, an interagency law enforcement effort led by the Department of Justice and named after LeGend. Its purpose is to quell the unacceptable levels of recent violence in U.S. cities.
“My first duty as President is to protect the American people, and today I am taking action to fulfill that sacred obligation,” President Trump said.
? President Trump: Anti-police policy and rhetoric has consequences
Attorney General Bill Barr announced the creation of Operation Legend fewer than 10 days after LeGend’s heartbreaking death. The Justice Department is now surging over 200 federal law enforcement officers into Kansas City to help curb the kind of senseless violence that took the young boy’s life.
The President announced today that the operation will expand into Chicago and Albuquerque. Over the next 3 weeks, the Justice Department plans to further expand the initiative into Cleveland, Detroit, and Milwaukee.
In Chicago, for example, more than 300 federal law enforcement personnel will work with state and local police to help apprehend violent criminals. Just yesterday, another mass shooting in Chicago injured 15 people outside of a funeral service.
More than $61 million will be provided by the Justice Department to hire hundreds of new police officers, and about 200 federal agents and deputy marshals will be permanently reassigned to Operation Legend cities.
“We will never defund the police—we will hire more great police,” President Trump said. “We want to make law enforcement stronger, not weaker. What cities are doing is absolute insanity.”
So, naturally, I went looking around the net.
Wikipedia overview
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Legend
Kansas City news conference
https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article244416727.html
Buzzfeed article on Chicago and Albuquerque
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/salvadorhernandez/trump-sending-federal-officers-to-chicago-albuquerque
Mayor of Albuquerque interview on NPR
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/22/894449060/albuquerque-mayor-on-trumps-plan-to-send-federal-agents-into-the-city
It seems like, ohhhh, I don't know, maybe Sanctuary Cities are on a list?
https://newspunch.com/full-list-sanctuary-cities-states-usa/
It's "fashionable" to defy the federal government these days. And, camo fatigues are also "fashionable". Enjoy, America!
The smart people in those sanctuary cities will follow my stepson's example, and evacuate.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Thursday July 23 2020, @06:25PM (5 children)
Someone gets murdered in Kansas City and Trump deploys his troops to Portland and Chicago.
That's almost as good as invading Iraq after Saudi Arabia blew up the Twin Towers.
(Score: 0, Troll) by fustakrakich on Thursday July 23 2020, @06:32PM (4 children)
invading Iraq
:-) You misspelled Afghanistan. That's ok, man, It's easy to confuse (conflate?) the two
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 23 2020, @09:59PM
Just goes to show non-democrats can do cerebellar loops around democrats powered by only a single brain farts.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Friday July 24 2020, @10:00AM (1 child)
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday July 24 2020, @02:41PM
A precursor, if you will. Many people still see the Afghanistan invasion in 2001 as a "just war".
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 30 2020, @12:23AM
Troll
Heh, war monger
(Score: 4, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Thursday July 23 2020, @06:32PM (16 children)
If Trump gave a crap about murder he would be invading St. Louis Missouri right now, not Chicago.
St Louis is the reigning murder capital of the US. [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday July 23 2020, @06:58PM (11 children)
That page is informative - I clicked the header to sort them, and this is what I got:
St. Louis
Baltimore
Detroit
New Orlean
Baton Rouge
Kansas City
Cleveland
Memphis
Newark
Chicago
Cincinnati
Mobile
Philadelphia
Milwaukee
Pittsburgh
Indianapolis
Stockton
Tulsa
Washington D.C.
Atlanta
Nashville
Columbus
Oakland
Louisville Metro
Greesboro
San Bernardino
Buffalo
Norfolk
Savannah
Fort Wayne
Des Moines
Toledo
Las Vegas
Oklahoma City
Dallas
Albuquerque
Jacksonville
Houston
Miami
Portland appears further down the page, but I'm tired of copying.
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday July 23 2020, @07:19PM (2 children)
Des Moines and Toledo, must be a lot of domestic shit going on there
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2020, @07:05AM (1 child)
Democrats have more sex offenders caught than republicans: http://stuffthatspins.com/2016/04/28/who-has-more-sex-offenders-republicans-or-democrats/ [stuffthatspins.com] [stuffthatspins.com]
(Score: 2, Touché) by fustakrakich on Friday July 24 2020, @02:43PM
Yeah, so? Ask yourself why people reelect sex offenders instead of wondering which gang they are in
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 23 2020, @08:23PM (7 children)
Clarification: I did not say that Federal law enforcement were seen here in Albuquerque (at least not by me). I said that Trump has promised (i.e., in the near(?) future) to send Federal law enforcement to Albuquerque. But looking at your list, Albuquerque is number 36 by my count. So, why are we now suddenly a priority for getting Federal law enforcement here in Albuquerque? As you hinted, it looks suspiciously like this is really about going after local political leaders who refuse to hop on the Trump train. Look, I get that we have a problem with violent crime here in Albuquerque. Much of it is due to gang violence. And we could sure use federal help with that. I just don't see how going after protesters demanding the end to police brutality with federal agents in unmarked cars will do anything to quell that. If the Feds can't come up with a way to address the actual problem then they should just stay the fuck away from here.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Thursday July 23 2020, @08:37PM
Clarification noted, thank you.
I have no idea what criteria they might use to target "high-crime" cities. High profile, high visibility cities? Well, that's Portland today. Somehow, Kansas City made it high on the list. I guess that LeGend kid was related to someone important, or something.
But Monkey Killer above nailed it when he said that St. Louis should have topped the list, if murder was the problem.
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Thursday July 23 2020, @08:43PM (4 children)
Oh, if you'll visit that page, and click on the header for property crime - Albuquerque sits solidly at the top of the list, primarily due to it's lead in auto thefts. Are a lot of those carjackings, I wonder?
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 23 2020, @09:49PM (3 children)
As for the proportion of auto thefts which are carjackings, I really couldn't say. I do know that auto thefts are one of the big issues that visitors and new arrivals have here in New Mexico; somebody parks their car in a public area and comes back a few hours later to find that the car is gone! Don't forget to lock up when you park your car here. But I wouldn't be surprised if carjackings are also a major issue. We have a gang problem here in Albuquerque and I wouldn't be surprised if one of their initiation rites is to jack a car.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2020, @04:55PM (2 children)
For future reference (in case I drive through Albuquerque on my next cross country trip) --
What is the range of those gangs -- just within actual city limits, or do they claim "turf" over a wider area of NM?
When I was in high school in Buffalo 'burbs (a few miles outside city limits), there were serious gang wars in Buffalo, but they never went any further. The only reason I heard about it was through one friend. His name ended with a vowel and he was connected through family that lived in the city.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 25 2020, @12:05AM (1 child)
Well, I'm not really an expert on the subject but I was under the impression that the reach of some of these gangs as literally global (i.e., reaching into Mexico and Central and South America). Hence the reason that we could sure use Federal help in combating some of that. So, by all means, send us a Federal task force with expertise in gang violence. Forget about chasing down protesters exercising their constitutional rights.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 25 2020, @04:21PM
Drug cartels are global, but gun violence and organized theft are mostly due to local gangs that are at most only loosely affiliated with cartels (cartels specialize heavily in smuggling and logistics, production and retail are often unrelated organizations). 99% of the violence could be prevented by heavily encouraging job creation in poor neighborhoods and increased employer incentives to hire felons.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 23 2020, @10:02PM
Zorro cakes with ranch dressing: https://streamable.com/xuxgcp [streamable.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2020, @01:24AM
As an MO resident that fortunately lives outside the fair city of STL, this would not cause me and most other denizens of MO any pain whatsoever. Clean 'em out. NOW.
Of course, that would mean removing the reigning politicians of that shithole who enabled the death spiral. Good riddance.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2020, @06:25AM (1 child)
Specific to St. Louis, that may be a bit deceptive. The city of St. Louis isn't actually the most dangerous area in the St. Louis area. That's actually East St. Louis, just over the Mississippi River on the Illinois side.
Many other cities grow by annexing surrounding areas and expanding outward. This raises the city population and somewhat offsets urban sprawl. The areas being annexed often are somewhat affluent and help with the city's tax revenue. On the western side of Missouri, Kansas City has been able to annex many areas and now spans across parts of four counties -- Jackson, Clay, Platte, and Cass. St. Louis, however, cannot annex any surrounding areas. St. Louis is an independent city, not part of any county, and has its borders fixed by a home rule charter.
The population of St. Louis has declined over several decades and is now considerably smaller than Kansas City. Many of the more affluent residents have moved to St. Louis County and eventually outward into areas like St. Charles County. There are some previously very nice areas of St. Louis County that are starting to fall into extreme poverty. One such example is Ferguson and the areas surrounding it. Much of the northern part of St. Louis County is heading in the wrong direction while the western and southern parts tend to be faring much better. There are some very wealthy areas in St. Louis County, too, like Frontenac and Huntleigh. Then to the northwest, St. Charles County tends to be very wealthy.
Basically, zoning laws prevent the creation of affordable housing in many areas, so poorer people, a large proportion of whom are black, are prevented from moving outward from the urban core. Even proposals to expand St. Louis' mass transit system, Metrolink, into St. Charles County were defeated. The reason given was a fear that extending Metrolink into those areas would result in an increase in crime. Many people in the St. Louis area also attribute this somewhat to racism, and a desire to keep it less convenient for black people to travel to St. Charles County. Basically, the poorer and largely black population is stuck in St. Louis City, a shrinking urban core with a declining tax base and poor schools. The same is true for some communities in northern St. Louis County.
Those charts only take into account St. Louis City, which is actually a small area with slightly more than 10% of the region's total population. Extreme poverty has been concentrated there and the city isn't even able to annex surrounding areas that are less impoverished. I'd bet you could probably find parts of other large cities with a population of 300,000 and find crime rates on par with St. Louis. But sending troops in won't fix the problem of a decaying urban core and policies that are set up for the purpose of concentrating poverty in the urban core while the affluent and primarily white people move outward. The reason for the crime rate is economic, but the economic situation exists for reasons that are closely linked with racism.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2020, @04:12PM
Just the best course of action then to harass the few remaining productive taxpayers living there, who are trying to protect their property and lives from a primarily white, democrat, rent-a-mob.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Friday July 24 2020, @09:50AM
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 23 2020, @06:56PM (54 children)
So what are you implying? We should acquiesce to central control, like some kind of Stalinist or loyalist to the crown of England? We should build a wall like the ones the DPRK or GDR built! How very un-American of you! The Anti-Federalists weep! You're a redcoat!
Tear down the wall!
Tear down the wall!
Tear down the wall!
(Score: 1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Thursday July 23 2020, @06:59PM (20 children)
I'm implying that rioting and lawlessness are wrong. Are you going to argue with that?
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 23 2020, @07:06PM (5 children)
Rioting and lawlessness are wrong, even when done by the government.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday July 23 2020, @07:22PM (4 children)
So, we are in agreement. Restore order, then sit down and discuss the problems. Vote people in and out of office, to address those problems. Stop the rioting.
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 23 2020, @08:32PM (2 children)
Have you seen any rioters outside of Fox news broadcasts?
(Score: 1, Redundant) by Runaway1956 on Thursday July 23 2020, @08:44PM
You forgot to take any video of your visit to Fox Headquarters. How would I know?
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 23 2020, @11:47PM
Are CNN and MSNBC even allowed to show riots?
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 23 2020, @11:18PM
Booooot liiiiickkkkerrrrrr
Again, attacking innocent protesters is NOT restoring order.
Until you dimwits can comprehend that you're going to continue to be fascist boot licking morons.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 23 2020, @07:08PM (9 children)
Dumping tea in Boston harbor when parliament exceeds its natural authority is wrong, says the redcoat!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 23 2020, @07:23PM (8 children)
Yes, and St. Greta wants to know if anyone even bothered to measure the ecological impact of dumping all that tea in the harbor.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 23 2020, @07:47PM
Krill lives matter.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday July 24 2020, @12:20AM (6 children)
What is your creepy-assed obsession with a teenager? She *is* a saint compared to you of course, but this is squicky. What kind of grown-ass man hides behind an AC mask and snipes at a teenage girl on the other side of the planet because his feeeeeeeeeelings are hurt?
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2020, @12:51AM (2 children)
For people with giant egos and no recognition in the world, the fact that someone like AOC or Greta has what they lack, in the form of "undeserved" fame and recognition, drives them nuts.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday July 24 2020, @01:02AM (1 child)
...shit, it really is that petty and resentful and self-centered and tiny, isn't it? Wow...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2020, @05:59PM
Different AC here:
> it really is that petty and resentful and self-centered and tiny
Yes, it is that simple, and that sad. I think I was a self-centered jerk as a kid, but starting around age 20 I started to grow out of it. ~40 years later I accept that other people count as well as me (most of the time--grin).
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2020, @04:31AM (2 children)
Who are you calling a "grown ass man", you catty little bitch?
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2020, @05:32AM (1 child)
A grown ass-man [xkcd.com] then.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Friday July 24 2020, @06:54AM
When one has to go back that far, to find the mandatory XKCD, it is a sign that your meme is fossilized. But, still, a man with a grown ass, as oppose to a surgically or 'roid enhanced one, does make a certain amount of sense. But, also, now we have anti-maskers, asking for a tire inflation [go.com], getting all upset, and coming back for vehicular homicide, a la James Fields and Neo-Nazis [wikipedia.org], and being shot dead, as well they should be. I estimate that only another six months of lock-down will weed out the wackos, I predict Runaway will be going off in the next three weeks, at a minimum.
Oh, and as the self-described asshole Runaway1956 likes to point out, the person that the Neo-Nazi fuckwad ran over, was an American, and a woman, and no Real American Man, who was not some kind of pathetics catamite to Russian interests, would ever attack a woman, or a child, and especially an woman or child of any nationality. So Runaway1956, like the Neo-Nazi scum he defends, is no man, and no human being. He does not deserve to be counted in the Census, since the Trump Administration (using the term loosely), says those who are not men, and thus not persons, are not citizens, no matter where they reside, because of their uncomely behaviour, lack of a moral compass, and total craveness. Runaway1956 need to have his VA benefits revoked. And his insignia ripped off his shoulders. And his nostrils raped and his buttocks burned off, for he is not Brave Sir Robin!
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 23 2020, @08:37PM (2 children)
And I'm saying that here in Albuquerque, except for a bit of excitement over a month ago, we haven't seen much in the way of rampant rioting and lawlessness. Do we really need Federal law enforcement to "keep the peace" here in the Duke City? Why? Don't you think that keeping the peace should be left to local law enforcement and only bring in the Federal government when absolutely necessary as a last resort? I was under the impression that you were one of those folks who were perennially suspicious of heavy-handed intervention by the Federal government. What changed your mind?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday July 23 2020, @09:44PM (1 child)
I haven't changed my mind. I've put forth a few ideas about why certain cities are on the list. Is Albuquerque one of those sanctuary cities? Hmmm, I guess not:
https://www.koat.com/article/albuquerque-no-longer-a-sanctuary-city/5033128 [koat.com]
That was dated 2010, there may have been an election since then. Let me try to find something more recent . . .
Ahhhh - here we go with a 2018 article:
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2018/04/17/Albuquerque-votes-to-reaffirm-sanctuary-city-status/5061523980857/ [upi.com]
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 23 2020, @09:53PM
Yes, there has been. Tim Keller is the Mayor of Albuquerque now.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2020, @04:12AM
"America has lost standing to make long-term deals with other countries because he’s exposed how vulnerable our system is to bad faith partisan actors. It doesn’t matter how good a deal with America seems, you don’t know if you can count on it past the next election anymore. This takes some diplomatic solutions off the table, which is bad for the safety of the world but particularly US troops."
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 23 2020, @08:00PM (30 children)
Contrary to historical revisionism this specific issue is precisely what the Civil War was about. Slavery was the issue that brought things to a climax but there issue of state vs federal power was the fundamental issue and one that had been growing for decades, on many topics besides slavery. When the second amendment references the security of a free state, the implied threat there was specifically an internal one - the Federal government. The confederacy wanted state power, the union wanted federal power. The union unfortunately won. Of course getting rid of slavery was good, but we didn't need a civil war to achieve that. Technological advances made slavery obsolete and it would have died a much more sedate death in the US, as it did everywhere else in the developed world, if we had let it.
If things are ever to change then people must oppose federalism when there is no immediate and pressing issue. But such is the nature of politics that people are only all too happy to expand power to no end when 'their side' is in power. So we end up with a federalist system that is indeed becoming much more akin to the monarchies of old.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday July 23 2020, @08:52PM (16 children)
Parent post is NOT a troll. I posted much the same thing recently. Slavery was on the way out, no matter what anyone in the North or the South had to say about it. There were a number of issues that led up to the civil war. Slavery may have been the most important, the issue around which most people rallied. The issue of state's rights vs federal authority was the issue that drove the various state governments, and the federal government.
I'll repeat again: If the Civil War was fought over slavery, it seems exceedingly odd that the Emancipation Proclomation didn't happen until after two years of humiliating defeats of the Grand Old Army. The Fed didn't care much about the slaves, until someone had a great brain fart: "If we free the slaves now, maybe they can help us win the war! Even if only by weakening the South's economy a little bit, they can help!"
Among other good things that came of the war, was the disappearance of that "Grand Old Army". The term was synonymous with "Good Old Boy's" clubs.
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2020, @04:57AM (1 child)
There were two main purposes behind the Emancipation Proclamation. First, hopefully to incite a slave revolt in those parts of the Confederacy not yet occupied by Union troops. Second, to help prevent recognition of the Confederacy by either Great Britain or France. Both of those countries had fairly recently ended slavery in their territories, and for them to then support a slave-owning country would have taken some doing on their domestic fronts; the Confederacy just didn't have enough to offer either one to make it worth their while.
But the reason all the talk about the War for Southern Independence is going again is because it's still the biggest rift, politically speaking, in America. Centralized power vs. distributed power. We still argue about it -- and that's a great distraction for the attempted communist takeover of the country.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DECbot on Friday July 24 2020, @05:20PM
There was a third reason. The recent Irish immigrants that came to the US because of the Irish Potato Famine really had no preference between the North and South and stayed out of the fighting. The Emancipation Proclamation gave the Catholic Irish immigrants a morality based reason to enlist in the Union army, bolstering their ranks.
cats~$ sudo chown -R us /home/base
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2020, @05:47AM (7 children)
Parent post is a Troll, a neo-confederate troll, and needs to be modded as such. We need to invade the south again, since those stupid, Worm infested Southerners [pbs.org], have not really learned the lesson of the Civil War. We are coming, like Sherman, to burn you crops, burn your barns, burn your towns and cities, and rape your women, and if need be your mules. Brace yourselves, neo-confederates! Your defeat with make the first one look like a picnic! And, it is all Runaway1956's fault, and we will deal with him first. Already crack legions of the Union Army, and the Antifa 2nd Division, have been disapatched to to deal with the Runaway. Keep your eyes open for headlights you do not expect. Especially dozens of headlights you don't expect, when many are aerial! Poor Runaway! His brain rotted before his time!
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday July 24 2020, @04:47PM (1 child)
It's pretty hilarious they're going on about State's Rights in a thread about federal agents invading a State after it's Governor told them to leave.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday July 25 2020, @06:59PM
Never, but never, expect internal consistency out of the "right" wing. I've made this analogy before but it bears repeating: the liar is Truth's rapist, while the bullshitter is Truth's obese, impotent, borderline-mentally-disabled pimp. The rapist can at least appreciate Truth for what it is. The bullshitter can't. The "right" are bullshitters.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2020, @05:08PM (4 children)
Say goodnight, Ari!
(Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Friday July 24 2020, @06:10PM (3 children)
Good night! (Oh, clueless AC, it t'weren't me! We are legion, and we are coming for you. The Arc of History, etc., etc. )
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2020, @11:16PM (1 child)
Just say the line... It ain't Shakespeare...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 25 2020, @11:50PM
The puppet masters are angry you won't dance to their strings!
Just log in with one of your other accounts and do it yourself troll.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @01:14AM
Personally I'm flattered I keep being mistaken as you :D
Must be all that edumacation!
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2020, @06:37AM (4 children)
It may be a states' rights issue, but the particular right in question was, indeed, slavery. But there's a larger issue here.
The right complained loudly about Obama infringing on states' rights, particularly in regard to Obamacare. But the right seems much less concerned with states' rights when it involves immigration matters. Let's be clear about what sanctuary cities really are. The issue is actually that states and cities are choosing not to actively cooperate with ICE. They aren't preventing ICE from operating in those areas. It just means that ICE will have to act on its own without assistance from state and local authorities.
If states don't want to be required to cooperate with Obamacare, why should they be expected to cooperate with ICE?
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Friday July 24 2020, @07:23AM (3 children)
That is actually a pretty decent question. I think there's a lot of tit for tat going on. When the Dems control the fed, they want to shove nasty shit down the throats of conservatives. When the Reps control things, they want to return the favor.
That is partisanship, and divisiveness. Neither party really cares about you, about me, or about any other little people. It's politics.
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2020, @08:22AM (2 children)
Well, the Democrats care about me, but no one cares about you, Runaway1956, since you are a boomer asshole of the n_th degree. We will all celebrate your passing, which cannot come too soon. And in mean time, fuch you, boomer asshole.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2020, @08:11PM
Probably gonna have to wait, that dude is so wack he doesn't even get invited to the asshole parties. And his coworkers sound like responsible adults who wear masks so he is likely not gonna catch the COV. I don't think his ex even gets out of the car whenever they have to interact in person.
(Score: 2) by DECbot on Friday July 24 2020, @09:58PM
Unless you're a billionaire or a celebrity that has outreach to hundreds of thousands of people, I doubt they care about you. Though they will certainly want you to believe that they care about little people like you.
cats~$ sudo chown -R us /home/base
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2020, @07:16AM
Yes, of course you did, Runaway. That is because you are a Troll. A neo-confederate racist mother-fucked troll. I recommend that you take your racist "state's rights" and stick them up the hole your 2nd Amendment right left in your leg. Or, you could just move to a fascist state, like, oh, sorry, none of them still exist! I wonder why?
(Score: 5, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Thursday July 23 2020, @10:42PM (12 children)
Your's is the revisionism.
Let's see what Mississippi had to say about it's own secession:
Well look at that, it's the very top issue on the list!
A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union. [yale.edu]
(Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 23 2020, @11:26PM
But why stop at Mississippi? South Carolina's complaint was that other states weren't returning their escaped slaves. Texas complained about their commitment to "maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery" and how the North might eliminate it completely in the future. Georgia's also starts with "The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery." and is a history of anti-slavery actions by the North. If it was about more than slavery, you'd think the states would have mentioned it.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2020, @04:15AM (1 child)
For those who'd like to actually read the various secession notes from the various states instead of relying on DeathDonkey's typical lies of taking the single most extreme paragraph from the single most extreme state and implying it applies universally, they are all available here [civildiscourse-historyblog.com] alongside some light commentary. Most states made zero comments related to slavery in their secession. Some, Mississippi being the most extreme, went on at length about slavery.
Slavery was the straw that broke the camel's back but the fundamental issue was one of state vs national rights. When a federal government begins to trample state's rights on one issue, anybody can see that any other issue which my fall foul of their tastes is not far behind. And indeed while the United States was envisioned as a confederation of mostly independent states united only so much as necessary to repel outside force, we've become one giant nation-state ruled upon high where variations between the states are relatively negligible and even that said variation is often rapidly trampled upon by federal domination. For instance with the current issues of marijuana or even with the current protests. If a city chooses to let their major city be overrun by riots it 'ought' (in a hypothetical world) be the right of a state to allow such. But in our current world the federal government has taken it upon themselves to right the situation, even when their aid is not only not requested, but actively opposed. Federalism won. And this is what we get.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Saturday July 25 2020, @03:42AM
Yeah....those are the first and second paragraphs I posted....
(Score: 2, Interesting) by shortscreen on Friday July 24 2020, @06:15AM (8 children)
https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/08/23/know-called-civil-war-not-slavery/ [paulcraigroberts.org]
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday July 24 2020, @02:12PM (6 children)
Gotta love these opinion site citations. So desparate to defend racism and remove the stigma of slavery. Twisting the truth is not a goood way to get there.
For some straaaange reason the only people who go on about states rights and defend confederate statues always seem to have histories of bigotry. So shocking, much wow.
Up is down, left is right, the sky is neon green.
(Score: 4, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Friday July 24 2020, @04:34PM (4 children)
Ignore the PRIMARY SOURCE that is Mississippi's love letter to slavery and listen to this opinion blog instead!
(Score: 2) by shortscreen on Friday July 24 2020, @08:25PM (3 children)
There is no contradiction between the two. Can you even explain why the slave states seceeded?
(Score: 3, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Friday July 24 2020, @08:53PM (2 children)
Yes, they wrote us a fucking letter to tell us why. I posted it above.
(Score: 2) by shortscreen on Friday July 24 2020, @09:01PM (1 child)
Yes but you highlighted a portion that doesn't explain it. They liked slavery. Why couldn't they go on liking slavery without seceeding?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @12:00AM
I am dumbfounded. Are you trolling? Gotta be trolling.
(Score: 2) by shortscreen on Friday July 24 2020, @08:35PM
Anyone who disagrees with you must be trying to defend racism from your "truth" and must belong to an inferior group that carries a permanent "stigma".
Spoken like a true bigot.
(Score: 3, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Friday July 24 2020, @04:28PM
Again, I think I'll believe what Mississippi said in their own words over the words of some rando with a blog.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 23 2020, @08:39PM (1 child)
He is saying that the states' rights argument and federalism only applies in the situations he agrees with.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday July 24 2020, @08:55PM
My state has the right to own people as cattle and your state has the right to be invaded by federal forces if it does something I don't like.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday July 23 2020, @11:25PM
= 1488
fucking idiot Runaway pushing the "law and order" bullshit. Sadly it is beyond his ability to comprehend that police getting away with abuse and murder is what has led to this massive unrest.
Zero self-awareness about how conservative's own intolerance and lack of support for peaceful protests by Kapernick and others led to this place. They just want us to shut up and grind our lives away for the economy while pretending systemic racism and misogyny is not real.
Keep making woke jokes, lame socialist ant-fascist fascist comparisons, and showing everyone how little you actually care about freedom and concepts like innocent until proven guilty. Hooray GOP Gestapo!/s
(Score: 1) by petecox on Friday July 24 2020, @01:47AM
I thought it was just a Bugs Bunny punchline.
When you take a left turn at Albuquerque they send in the Feds?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday July 25 2020, @09:18PM (1 child)
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APK
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(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @12:04AM
Ok, I can't chase down this angry AC, just please everyone realize I recently had some serious shit happen in my life and the love and support I received made me do a 180 on my cynical outlook on life. Equality, respect, and love are the only ways forward. I no longer wish for the world to burn down and I try every day to forgive the various people who have done me wrong in life.
I will pray for you AC and forgive your trespass upon my name.
Your friend,
apk