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New research has found that people with "dark" personality characteristics, such as psychopathy and narcissism, are less likely to comply with efforts to impede the spread of the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 and more likely to stockpile goods such as food and toilet paper.
Two new studies, both published in the journal Personality and Individual Differences, reinforce previous findings that the "Dark Triad" of narcissism, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism is associated with ignoring preventative COVID-19 measures.
But the new research indicates that health beliefs and situational perceptions may play a more important role than personality traits alone.
Dark Enlightenment, or Dark Triads?
Journal References:
Bartlomiej Nowak, Pawel Brzoska, Jarosław Piotrowski, et al. Adaptive and maladaptive behavior during the COVID-19 pandemic: The roles of Dark Triad traits, collective narcissism, and health beliefs, Personality and Individual Differences (DOI: 10.1016/j.paid.2020.110232)
Marcin Zajenkowski, Peter K. Jonason, Maria Leniarska, et al. Who complies with the restrictions to reduce the spread of COVID-19?: Personality and perceptions of the COVID-19 situation [open], Personality and Individual Differences (DOI: 10.1016/j.paid.2020.110199)
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @10:01AM (8 children)
In a society as solipsistic and anti-social as the US, I guess one could construe these maladaptive traits as enlightened. That doesn't mean that they're healthy adaptations for either one's personal well-being or for society at large.
But who are we kidding, right? Make America Grate Again!
(Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @10:35AM (7 children)
Pretty sure the test actually measured how much of a fascist sheeple you are.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @05:32PM (6 children)
They did say MAGA, duuuuh
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @06:14PM (5 children)
The fascist sheeple are the ones who want the government to tell everyone what to do even though everyone knows its run by a bunch of corrupt professional liars who suck at everything else.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @07:05PM (2 children)
Like patriotic citizens.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @07:24PM (1 child)
Yep, republicrats are 40% of the population.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Sunday July 26 2020, @09:32PM
They're 95% of the ones that actually vote. The system has never really been tested
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @09:02PM (1 child)
Only people who follow their chosen shepherd like good little lamb chops use the term sheeple.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @10:14PM
Sauce for that?
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @10:16AM (2 children)
* beating me up and taking my lunch money when I was a kid... every damn day
* encouraging my spouse to cheat on me with them
* dumping their damned money-pit of a timeshare property on me
* pointing and laughing at my absolutely *not* tiny naughty bits in the shower at the gym
* waiting for me to go to the bathroom, then using the urinal next to me commando-style
* taking half of my parking space to insure their BMW doesn't get sratched... every damn day
* stealing that promotion I worked so hard for
* then doing a management buyout and firing me 'for the lulz'
and worst of all
* borrowing my tools and returning them covered in random bodily fluids, including something pinkish-red that is human but definitely *not* blood
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @10:26AM
They did you and jmichaelhudson dirty.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @03:13PM
Problem is, they are the *wrong* naughty bits. Now give me your lunch money.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @10:28AM (78 children)
Seriously people- STOP BUYING MASKS!
They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus, but if healthcare providers can’t get them to care for sick patients, it puts them and our communities at risk!
https://mobile.twitter.com/Surgeon_General/status/1233725785283932160 [twitter.com]
(Score: 5, Insightful) by TheReaperD on Sunday July 26 2020, @11:07AM (25 children)
God, you're either a troll, moron, or both. The masks are not to prevent you from getting the virus, they're to prevent the chance of you spreading the virus as many Coronavirus cases are asymptomatic. And the right masks are very effective at their goal. As far as not buying them so that medical professionals can have them, if they are available for retail sale, they will not go to medical professionals whether you buy them or not. Items available for retail sale remain in retail channels except in extreme cases. It has literally happened once for masks at one store at the beginning of this pandemic that a store removed them from retail sale and donated them to a medical facility.
Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @11:11AM (7 children)
In this case, the GP is neither. That content is copy-pasta'd from the linked tweet (from a verified Surgeon General account).
Don't mod the messenger.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by khallow on Sunday July 26 2020, @12:28PM (6 children)
Now, if he's still saying that now rather than five months ago, we have a genuine problem.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @04:50PM (5 children)
> They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus
So what evidence was this authoritative claim based on, and what evidence is the new recommendation based on that debunked the old evidence?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @05:34PM (1 child)
Hahahaha oh khallow, welcome to what it is sometimes like arguing with you! Glad you're not buying into the anti-masxxers.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @06:17PM
I knew a girl once who said when you talk to some people you better be ready with a reason for what youre saying. So she would come up with bs to justify whatever she did and said.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday July 26 2020, @10:32PM (2 children)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @11:57PM (1 child)
So you dont care about distinguishing between good and bad authoritative declarations from the government?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday July 27 2020, @01:08AM
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @11:11AM (8 children)
> "God, you're either a troll, moron, or both."
So you know more than the surgeon general, the top doctor in the US? Because thats who you are insulting, not me.
(Score: 5, Informative) by c0lo on Sunday July 26 2020, @12:37PM (7 children)
You're an idiot. When circumstances change, a rational human would expect the best course of action and the advice will change too. Only idiots expect the tweet on Feb 29 to still contain a valid advice today.
The same Surgeon General
June 14 [twitter.com]
July 25 [twitter.com]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @04:53PM (5 children)
You are focusing on the wrong part. Where did this authoritative claim come from, and what evidence made it change:
> They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday July 26 2020, @10:33PM (4 children)
Why don't you answer it for us since you seem to be the only one here who cares? Maybe we'll take your answer seriously, but don't count on it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 27 2020, @12:52AM (3 children)
I think its bs, it was made up to manipulate people based on no evidence.
The people telling us to listen to that should have some evidence, Id think.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday July 27 2020, @01:12AM
(Score: 3, Funny) by Mykl on Monday July 27 2020, @01:46AM (1 child)
I agree - they are trying to brainwash us into wearing masks so that their facial recognition systems have a harder time identifying us. Oh, wait...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 27 2020, @04:50AM
That quote was saying not to wear a mask.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Sunday July 26 2020, @09:14PM
You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.
That A/C is a flat earther.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @01:33PM
The link is to the Twatter web site, which automatically dictates that they are a moron (or both).
(Score: 0, Troll) by leon_the_cat on Sunday July 26 2020, @07:09PM (6 children)
I always find people who start out with insults are angry because they know they are wrong. There are 7 studies over the past ~10+ years not one of them shown *any* value in wearing loose fitting cloth masks. A virus particle is 1000 times smaller than the fiber holes in your mask. So your statement that "And the right masks are very effective at their goal." is pure fantasy backed bysome bizarre group thought experiment. I should add that here in UK you are not supposed to wear medical grade masks. You have been put in a state of fear and you have been conned. Go buy a packet of tissues/handkerchief to sneeze/cough/cry into.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @08:25PM
Stupid git! Bloody Pom! Put yer mask on, you maggot-ridden Limey!
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @09:36PM (4 children)
> A virus particle is 1000 times smaller than the fiber holes in your mask.
True, but the virus particles don't fly solo so their individual size is not important. As I've read the science, the virus particles travel in tiny droplets (over a wide size range). If you are contagious it's these droplets which are caught by the mask when you exhale/cough/sneeze, helps if the fabric is absorbent like cotton.
(Score: 2, Troll) by leon_the_cat on Sunday July 26 2020, @10:33PM (3 children)
Yes which is why my last line is go buy a handkerchief. Much more sanitary than a mask, doesn't leave disposible masks lying all over the streets and filling up refuse dumps.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @10:45PM (2 children)
The only disposable masks on the streets are thrown there by Boomers who only wear a mask on one condition. When Boomers are yelled at for being narcissistic scum.
"You! Boomer! Put on a mask or get the fuck out!"
The simpler solution would be for every shopkeeper to shoot Boomers dead.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 27 2020, @05:46AM (1 child)
Okay millennial.
BTW, you've forgotten who has all the guns.
(Score: 4, Funny) by DeathMonkey on Monday July 27 2020, @05:26PM
I own a gun.
But since I also have a functioning penis I'm not constantly going on about it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @11:08AM (1 child)
From the link in that tweet (I know, I RTFT, I should know better):
That's very helpful then. Everyone should wear a cloth face cover, but people should stop buying masks? Bandanas (or burkas) FTW!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @11:20AM
Sounds evidence based. Or more likely they are just guessing like they did with "early intubation".
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @11:28AM (35 children)
Uhm ... so then they aren't effective for non-healthcare providers but they are effective for healthcare providers?
BTW, I do wear a cloth mask so I'm not saying that we should waste surgical masks for non-healthcare providers. Just that I'm not so sure that masks, in general, are ineffective. Though I do think they can possibly restrict breathing, increasing CO2 levels, which probably isn't good for us. It seems like the body tries to compensate by increasing heart rate very slightly to keep O2 levels normal so at the least they do add a little bit of stress to the body (doesn't seem like that much for a healthy person). That's why I'm selective about when I wear them and when I should cover both my nose and mouth (since I breathe through my nose) and when I should only cover my mouth but that's not to say we shouldn't wear them.
For instance if I'm talking in close proximity to someone else at the store I would definitely wear it (if I'm inside a public building like a store I generally wear a mask regardless because I'm around objects that I can possibly spread the virus onto and I would expect others to wear masks to prevent them from spreading the virus onto objects I can touch. I try not to stay inside public buildings for long though) and would appreciate it if others would do the same as we tend to spit when we talk. If I'm outside in the open and there is absolutely no one around me I won't wear it as there is no need.
BTW, I've always been a germaphobe even before the Coronavirus. I hate wearing a mask (another reason is I don't like breathing in the warm air I just breathed out) even though I'm in good health but life is about balance and weighing the pros and cons and I think we should try to strike the right balance between selectively using masks when necessary to prevent infections from spreading and backing off them when they aren't necessary like if we are outside and no one is around us. I do think masks could be part of the equation towards slowing down the virus along with social distancing. If I am walking on the sidewalk in a residential street and I see someone ahead of me coming in the opposite direction and there are no cars in the street I would walk into the street to get around them for instance and keep a big distance. I never really liked being close to people anyways, even before the virus, because I'm a germaphobe. The only thing the virus has changed for me is the fact that now I have to wear this mask and I hate wearing it but I understand that selectively wearing it can help slow the virus.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @11:35AM (13 children)
The main health risk from masks is you are getting less exposure to everything, not just SARS2. It's basically the same as not getting a suntan puts you at higher risk of sunburn and skin cancer if you do get exposed to the sun later.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday July 26 2020, @12:31PM (12 children)
Which is only a problem if you ever get exposed to "everything" later. If you don't, then it's not. We don't, for example, need to repeatedly expose people to small pox so that they don't catch it later!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @04:55PM (11 children)
Better never lapse in your mask wearing for the rest of your life, it could become a deadly mistake. Just like people who dilligently hide from the sun then stop to talk to their neighbor for 15 min when taking out the trash, oops skin cancer.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday July 26 2020, @05:27PM (10 children)
That's stupid. You're not going to get that kind of burn damage from 15 minutes of exposure.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @06:03PM (8 children)
> The sun’s ultraviolet (UV) rays can damage your skin in as little as 15 minutes.
https://www.cdc.gov/cancer/skin/basic_info/sun-safety.htm [cdc.gov]
And people with no tan are damaged easier than on average.
(Score: 2, Informative) by khallow on Sunday July 26 2020, @06:47PM (7 children)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @07:26PM (5 children)
How is correcting your wrong facts doubling down?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday July 26 2020, @10:31PM (4 children)
Let's start with the problem that they aren't wrong. Consider what it takes to maintain a tan for a lifetime. You're speaking of hours of exposure every week. And all that to prevent an inadvertent 15 minute exposure while pale white - a serious harm to prevent a much lesser one. The same problem exists with the idea of cultivating herd immunity by repeated exposure to a deadly disease rather than just not doing that, saving many lives in the process.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 27 2020, @12:01AM (3 children)
You will get "that type" of burn damage from 15 min in the sun according to the cdc. Can you admit you were wrong?
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday July 27 2020, @01:05AM (2 children)
The CDC did not say that! Recall the actual quote:
Can damage your skin is not a huge risk factor for skin cancer. Baking yourself for decades to keep that tan is a huge risk factor.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 27 2020, @04:54AM (1 child)
I guess we shouldnt worry about 15 min in tbe sun then. Even though the cdc advises against it.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Monday July 27 2020, @12:34PM
Well, we shouldn't worry about it to the point that we cause far more damage than we cure. Same goes with turning children into disease incubators. You propose a lifetime of harm to prevent a minor harm.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Sunday July 26 2020, @09:19PM
You know how much I love arguing with you. I suppose I should back you up when I think you're right, but there's no point with our resident flat earth A/C.
He believes some incredibly crazy things it's no surprise he has bought into the anti mask nonsense.
Wait until he tells you how Bill Gates is injecting people with 5G so everyone gets Covid-19.
(Score: 2) by deimtee on Monday July 27 2020, @05:41PM
Depends where you are. Noon, clear day, I have gotten sunburnt in less than than 15 minutes. But then I live in southern AU, and the ozone hole occasionally spreads this way.
The rest of his theory is bullshit though.
No problem is insoluble, but at Ksp = 2.943×10−25 Mercury Sulphide comes close.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @12:03PM (20 children)
Restricted breathing argument with these facemasks is pure bs
I've trained, worked, and worn s10 respirators. The real deal chem, bio, radiological rated things. These DO restrict breathing, particularly if you're doing physical work. Which I've done. How many time did I or anyone else collapse from lack of oxygen?
Zero, that's how many. Your body is pretty damn good at self regulating and telling you to stop working so hard If it's not getting enough oxygen.
The facemasks you're all complaining about though? Yeah, Right. Get off my lawn.
(Score: 0, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @01:43PM (4 children)
I think there is a difference between saying that the masks will cause you to collapse due to lack of oxygen and saying that they can have health drawbacks.
Saying that they aren't bad for you because they don't cause you to collapse due to a lack of oxygen is like saying that one bottle of beer a day is not bad for you because it doesn't cause you to collapse due to alcohol poisoning. The fact that something may be reasonably tolerated doesn't mean it doesn't add any stress to your body whatsoever.
and, before the whole coronavirus thing there was a study that showed that CO2 does affect cognitive abilities.
CO2 Affects our Thinking
"Participants who worked in the elevated CO2 levels were found to have significant difficulty with their decision making abilities and thinking capabilities. The cognitive scores of participants in the Green building were 61% higher than the participants in the conventional buildings and the participants in the Green + building had cognitive skills as high as 101%."
https://medium.com/wedonthavetime/co2-affects-our-thinking-93c016bcc74d [medium.com]
But of course elevated CO2 levels only affect thinking when it comes to our need to reduce CO2 emissions but it has absolutely no impact when it comes to wearing a mask, am I right? Can't have it both ways.
and to say that the masks don't increase your CO2 intake any is also wrong. I've seen all of those Youtube comments of people trying to make that argument back and fourth and my simple answer that never gets mentioned, from physics 101, is that effusion is slower than diffusion. It's very basic undeniable physics. Reducing the surface area with which the CO2 can escape will decrease the rate at which it can and does escape. There is no arguing that point.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @02:01PM
Or, instead of beer, since that is allegedly controversial, you can replace beer with cigarettes. Because one cigarette a day may be tolerable doesn't mean that it's not bad for you whatsoever and doesn't add stress to your body.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Sunday July 26 2020, @09:21PM (2 children)
Redundant? Where's our -1 Stupid mod?
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday July 26 2020, @09:23PM
A mod valid for 50% of comments, given our varied perspectives, isn't a useful mod.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 27 2020, @12:33PM
I am not saying that wearing a mask is as bad for you or worse than drinking one beer and smoking one cigarette a day. Maybe I should have been a bit more clear on that.
I'm just pointing out that just because something is tolerable doesn't mean that it's not bad for you.
I'm also not saying that people shouldn't wear masks. Just that everything is about balance and compromise. We should wear them when appropriate to slow the viral spread but there is still a possibility it can have negative health effects.
Sorry if I wasn't clear enough.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Sunday July 26 2020, @03:24PM (6 children)
You didn't wear your respirator 8, 12, or more hours per day, for months on end. I urinate on your lawn.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @08:03PM
Boomers belong in prison. Round up all you insane narcissistic pieces of shit at your entitled Boomer Hour and throw you in prison where you belong.
(Score: 2) by Codesmith on Monday July 27 2020, @04:44PM (4 children)
Well, I have worn a respirator for 5, 8 and 12 hours. Several times I've worn one for several days straight, whilst in full NBCW gear digging a fighting position and occupying it. All because some figwit thought it would be amusing to pop a half dozen CS grenades around our position while we had a thermal inversion and low wind period. Survived it with no problems other than a poor attitude.
Piss somewhere else pal. Besides, aren't you old enough to be wearing Depends™ these days?
Pro utilitate hominum.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday July 27 2020, @05:42PM (3 children)
Salutes for doing what had to be done.
However, the question is less "Is it possible for a healthy military age male to keep a respirator on for days on end?" than it is "How does wearing a respirator for extended periods of time affect your health?"
And, no, Depends aren't part of my wardrobe, thank you very much.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 27 2020, @06:48PM (2 children)
Runaway is had, once again! You would think he would learn.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday July 27 2020, @07:13PM (1 child)
Ummmm, no. Did you actually read his post, and mine? He survived wearing a respirator days on end, with no worse effects than being thoroughly pissed off. Combat zone. Healthy male of military age - that is, a man at the peak of his health and stamina. He survived with no ill effects. But, not all of us are healthy males of military age, at the peak of health, strength, and stamina. Think about that for awhile. Elsewhere in these discussions, health workers have complained of headaches, nausea, and more, wearing less confining respirators and masks than an NBC respirator found in a combat zone.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 3, Touché) by Codesmith on Tuesday July 28 2020, @01:44AM
Well, I think you misunderstood me. I still wear respirators these days, usually when I'm painting projects in my basement. I could still wear one for the day if I had to, and I'm notably older and less fit, but I also don't drink and smoke like I did at the time.
And I have seen no reputable reports of health risks to wearers from N95 or procedural masks. If you are so damn short of breath from a procedural mask, get a supplementary O2 kit and don't go out in public!
Pro utilitate hominum.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday July 26 2020, @07:47PM (7 children)
You'll pay my medical bills when, not if, I pass out from not enough O2 or too much CO2 while shopping for groceries then? Until I see proof of a bond for at least $25K for that purpose, I'm going to keep telling them I have a medical condition that prevents me wearing a mask and that the ADA says they can't require me to tell them which one.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @08:29PM (5 children)
Why should we foot the bill for the consequences of a life-long pack-a-day cigarette habit? Personal Responsibility, Buzzbard! Your lack of lung capacity is not our problem, even if it is the law to wear a mask. Or is this like Ayn Rand going on Social Security and Medicare?
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @09:07PM (3 children)
Don't feed the troll, he just wants to see your angry insults as he laughs. He may be stupid but he ain't THAT stupid.
PS: buzzlardo is one of those spinless fools who has no real convictions beyond "muh gunz" and "don't tread on ME*"
* but on THEM is fine
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday July 26 2020, @09:15PM (2 children)
I prefer "No step on snek".
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @09:23PM (1 child)
OOOOHHHHH
Gotcha, I think this was all a misunderstanding. No problem, no step on snek. I thought you were a no mask on snekker.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday July 26 2020, @09:24PM
That would just be silly. Sneks don't have ears.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday July 26 2020, @09:16PM
ADA, bitch. If I gotta put up with that stupid-ass law, so do you.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Codesmith on Monday July 27 2020, @04:36PM
And the cool part of this is that I live in a place with actual laws. So you don't have to wear a mask, and I'm happy for you. Now get out of my establishment, because a medical condition isn't a protected class.
Away you go, shoo!
And don't come back unless you are going to wear one. Mind even then, I may just bar you from ever entering again.
Pro utilitate hominum.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @12:12PM
Disfunctional society and government. What? Would the govt go bankrupt if it would buy a stock for the heathcare providers?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @12:24PM
In the context of covid, the tweet is as old as the Egyptians mummies - Feb 29.
(Score: 2) by Opportunist on Sunday July 26 2020, @03:49PM (10 children)
Is it possible that you're about 3 months late to the game?
What you write WAS true 3-4 months ago when masks were actually in short supply and medical professionals were suffering from it. You might have noticed that what you link there is from effin FEBRUARY?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @04:48PM (9 children)
Liars are NOT to be believed. Not 3-4 months ago. Not now. Not EVER.
(Score: 2) by Opportunist on Sunday July 26 2020, @08:20PM (8 children)
4 months ago it was sensible to ask people not to hoard masks because there was an actual shortage and a real problem for medical professionals to have enough masks available. That problem has been solved though and we do have plenty of masks now.
It's amazing how people are unable to see things in anything but a binary frame. Yes or no. Black or white. But the world is not black or white. Yes, masks lower the spreading rate of the virus. But if we do not have enough of them to ensure that medical professionals have the supply they need, we have to accept a higher chance of spreading instead of endangering the supply to those that have a considerably higher chance to deal with infected matter. Since we do now have enough of them, we can use them on everyone to help lower the spreading speed.
Is that really THAT hard to grasp? I'm genuinely asking here.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @08:27PM (5 children)
Surgeon general said masks did not help...
(Score: 2) by Opportunist on Sunday July 26 2020, @08:35PM (4 children)
FOR FUCK'S SAKE! Did you even READ what I wrote there? Can you read? Or can you only hear what you want to hear?
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @09:09PM
You're letting the trolls rile you up.
Don't get angry, just disregard their bullshit once it is clear they are idiot trolls and go straight for the ad-homs. There is no point engaging someone once it is clear your points are unappreciated.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @10:19PM (2 children)
> Yes, masks lower the spreading rate of the virus.
Surgeon general said
> They are NOT effective in preventing general public from catching #Coronavirus
So...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @10:30PM
The general public is not at risk from coronavirus. Only the Boomers are at risk. The solution to the problem is to kill every Boomer. Coronavirus will not be a risk after every Boomer has been killed dead.
(Score: 2) by Opportunist on Monday July 27 2020, @06:50PM
You know what? Fuck it. Go and die. I'm sitting here in Europe, we have that shit under control. I'm done with the US. If you really insist in fucking your country up, go for it.
I did care about the US, because I love the country. But maybe it's gonna be an even nicer country without the idiots currently squatting there.
(Score: 2) by Jiro on Monday July 27 2020, @02:03PM (1 child)
That would make sense if they said "Masks are useful, but health care workers need them more." But they actually said "masks aren't useful". If masks aren't useful, that doesn't change when the shortage goes down.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 27 2020, @04:28PM
That is because they needed to lie to keep people from hoarding masks when health care workers needed them. But now there is an oversupply, and they can lie now and tell people to wear masks, because it is a security blanket giving the proles the feeling of some agency.
That's government in action.
(Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Sunday July 26 2020, @09:41PM
That was a statement made months ago, and is obsolete.
Masks may not prevent the transmission of Covid-19, but they do reduce it, they are more effective at preventing the wearer from transmitting the virus to others than at preventing catching it from others, and (here in Canada anyway) there are now enough masks available to saturate the market.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @10:32AM (3 children)
Psychologically healthy woman confronts non social distancing beachgoers.
https://mobile.twitter.com/neiljetel/status/1285148707500032002 [twitter.com]
(Score: 2) by Opportunist on Sunday July 26 2020, @08:22PM (2 children)
wtf is that?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @08:58PM
It's a spam post I modded as such a few days ago. But I was overridden so, fuck it, we have to live with it
No one can say I don't try to keep this place nice
(Score: 1) by gmby on Monday July 27 2020, @01:03AM
Sky Screamer. Sad...
Bye
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Subsentient on Sunday July 26 2020, @11:05AM (15 children)
... shit people are shit?
I figured out that these type of people would be the ones to refuse to wear masks and buy all the TP early on.
What deep, unparalleled genius did I possess to figure it out?
Nothing. It's fucking common sense. It's exactly the type of people you'd expect.
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." -Jiddu Krishnamurti
(Score: 2) by RS3 on Sunday July 26 2020, @11:09AM
> ... common sense.
Turns out it's not so common.
Unless "sense" means stupidity. That's fairly common.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by TheReaperD on Sunday July 26 2020, @11:11AM (3 children)
Yea, but the point of research like this is to not assume our biases are correct and instead, by scientific method, prove them right or wrong. They sound like a waste of time, and most are, but they're have been some surprises from research like this that make this worth doing.
Ad eundum quo nemo ante iit
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @03:10PM
I like it better when everything is just, like your opinion man. You believe in viruses, I believe in prayer shields. Call it 50-50.
(Score: 2) by Subsentient on Sunday July 26 2020, @11:10PM (1 child)
Perhaps, but it's hardly newsworthy when their findings are exactly what everyone already knew.
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." -Jiddu Krishnamurti
(Score: 2) by meustrus on Monday July 27 2020, @03:58PM
Sure, the narcissists know who they are, and everyone else knows who they are. And yet, this is newsworthy, precisely because we didn't know.
How could we not know? Well, we do, there' just been a lot of pro-narcissist propaganda lately. "Reasons" why not wearing a mask actually makes you a hero instead of an asshole.
The propaganda is infiltrating our thoughts patterns to the point where we need to spend real time and real resources proving things we ought to already know. Just because we got confused and started asking ourselves, "Is it really just assholes? Am I missing something?"
No, you're not missing something. It's really just assholes. Reality didn't change just because they figured out how to weaponize the news cycle. We could use more proof of that these days.
If there isn't at least one reference or primary source, it's not +1 Informative. Maybe the underused +1 Interesting?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @05:01PM
I too refuse to wear a mask, because they're not effective enough. Instead, I wear a closed-circuit rebreather, goggles, and ear-plugs whenever I go out & about. Can never be too safe.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday July 26 2020, @05:37PM (5 children)
This is not about whether one should wear a mask or not. It's about being forced to by illegal decree, or harder to fight, all companies, everywhere, enforcing mask mandates. I guess all you bootlickers will be lining up for the new dna altering covid "vaccines" and trying to force it on everyone else. The attitude people have taken that they have the right to tell other people what to do about their health is the most dangerous and likely to cause a shooting war that i have seen so far. If this continues people will get fucking shot and they will deserve it.
(Score: 2) by acid andy on Sunday July 26 2020, @06:46PM
I get it--you dislike the authoritarian component of this. I'm curious; how do you feel about the BLM protests?
Master of the science of the art of the science of art.
(Score: 2) by Opportunist on Sunday July 26 2020, @08:27PM
Not forcing anything on you, you may rest assured of that. Far from it, actually. I'd rather prefer you died from the disease.
(Score: 2) by Mykl on Monday July 27 2020, @01:59AM (1 child)
For that matter, why the hell has the Gubmint always forced us to wear clothing? They say hygiene and public decency. I say Tyranny!
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday July 27 2020, @01:11PM
Public decency? WTF does the government know about decency of any sort?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 27 2020, @06:01AM
so edgy
Looks like the free market has decided that you must wear a mask.
What are you going to do about it? Become a communist?
(Score: 2) by Opportunist on Sunday July 26 2020, @08:24PM (2 children)
Not only that, you can rest assured that when (not if, WHEN) they catch the virus due to their own stupidity, they'd insist that THEY get the first ventilator available because THEY NEED IT NOW, even and especially if they don't and someone else would have to die for it.
Fuck this human trash.
Or rather ... yuck, rather not. Just dump them where you dump the rest of the toxic waste.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday July 27 2020, @06:39AM (1 child)
If you knew anything about ventilators, you'd know that NOBODY is insisting they get the first ventilator. The ventilator is the Hail Mary, we've tried everything else, your going to die, and even if you don't you're fucked so why not, step. Nobody is getting put on ventilators to be 'saved'.
That you feel the need to bring ventilators into the conversation just proves you don't know Jack shit about the subject and probably should just stfu now.
(Score: 2) by toddestan on Tuesday July 28 2020, @07:57PM
You really are a moron. Of course no one wants to be on a ventilator unless they have no other choice. But you really think that if they have fluid filling their lungs and are barely able to breathe, laying in misery in a hospital bed, and the doctor says that they'll need a ventilator or they're going to die, that they won't be like "Gimme a ventilator now! I don't care if you have to unplug someone else! Gimme! Me! Me! Mine!!!"? That's exactly how I would expect a narcissistic person to act.