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posted by martyb on Wednesday August 05 2020, @02:17PM   Printer-friendly

[Editor's note: This is a follow-on to the story George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here that we ran on June 2, 2020. With 385 comments, it was the 5th-most-discussed story in the history of SoylentNews. All four of the officers involved were fired from the police force and are facing charges for the death.

New body-cam footage has come to light, exclusively on DailyMail.com. The two videos there fill in gaps from the previously-released footage.

In light of the interest when we first ran the story, the continuing "Black Lives Matter" protests, and the information this brings to light, I have decided to run this story.

NOTE: Each news organization has their own "take" on the killing. This coverage from DailyMail.com is no exception; read it with a heaping helping of the proverbial "grain of salt". It has been excerpted here without elision so as to not add any additional "spin".

WARNING: Please be aware the video content is disturbing; viewer discretion is advised. --martyb]


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Police Bodycam Footage Shows George Floyd Arrest In Detail:

WARNING: DISTURBING CONTENT. DailyMail.com has obtained video from the body cameras of two officers involved in the arrest of George Floyd that ultimately led to his death on May 25 in Minneapolis.

[...] Bodycam footage from two cops accused in the murder of George Floyd is revealed exclusively by DailyMail.com today — and it shows a rookie officer terrifying Floyd by pointing a handgun at his head and another callously picking a pebble from the squad car tire just inches from the dying man and seconds before he draws his last breath.

The tapes show in minute detail how a very distressed Floyd begs 'Mr. Officer, please don't shoot me. Please man,' before the struggle that ended with his death on May 25.

It also shows how belligerent cops cursed at and manhandled the sobbing suspect, ignoring his pleas for compassion.

Floyd resisted as the cops tried to force him into the back of the car, telling them he suffers from claustrophobia and anxiety and how Officer Derek Chauvin knelt on his neck for nearly nine minutes, leading to his death, ignoring Floyd's repeated cries of 'I can't breathe.'

Floyd is even heard predicting his own death. 'I'll probably just die this way,' he says.

Transcripts from the videos were released in mid-July but a judge in Minneapolis had ruled the video could only be viewed in the courthouse, meaning few people have had the chance to watch the powerful images.

But the footage has now been leaked to DailyMail.com so the world can finally see the tragedy of Floyd's last minutes as the cops were mindless of Floyd's anguish.

The footage includes more than 18 minutes from Officer Alex Kueng's bodycam and 10 minutes from Officer Thomas Lane. They were the first two cops to arrive on the scene after a complaint that Floyd had attempted to pass a fake $20 bill to buy cigarettes at Cup Foods, a store in the Powderhorn Park section of Minneapolis.


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  • (Score: 2) by takyon on Wednesday August 05 2020, @03:02PM (38 children)

    by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Wednesday August 05 2020, @03:02PM (#1031751) Journal

    They need to downgrade Chauvin's murder charge to third-degree if they want it to stick. Or they will just get him on the second-degree manslaughter charge, as well as the tax evasion charges (insert Capone mugshot). The other three officers are going home free.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by looorg on Wednesday August 05 2020, @03:12PM (29 children)

    by looorg (578) on Wednesday August 05 2020, @03:12PM (#1031759)

    That would be my guess at the moment. There was no intent. There is no cop conspiracy to go out and kill. It just happened, it's unfortunate, they probably followed procedures (it might not have been the current once, but the once they were once taught) and then they clearly did it perhaps to long and to much. But a healthy person should probably have survived that. After handcuffing him and putting him on the ground they just can't step back cause nobody that gets cuffed and put down in his state is going to want to stay put so you have to make him stay there and controlling the area that they did they made sure he would stay down. It's hard to gauge how much pressure was applied -- as far as I know they didn't snap his neck or anything so it wasn't that that killed him.

    That they found out that Chauvin and his (x-)wife had dodged taxes tho just adds to his, and her, misery.

    I suspect the others will be free, or as free as you can be. It might still be problematic for them but at least they are not going to prison for it.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by ledow on Wednesday August 05 2020, @03:24PM (13 children)

      by ledow (5567) on Wednesday August 05 2020, @03:24PM (#1031766) Homepage

      Tell me how you think a guy is going to get up from the floor face down while handcuffed and someone sitting on his legs? What actions here justified sitting on his head, in any way, that you couldn't do with a firm hand?

      Plus, you have a gun. Put him on the floor, tell him to stay there, walk away and put your weapon at him.

      It's unnecessary. Therefore, it shouldn't have happened.

      Hell, I've seen a Cirque Du Soleil guy pick up another guy who was standing on the soles of his feet while he laid face-down and bent only at the knee. And I bet even he can't get up from being cuffed-backwards, face down, with someone pressing on the backs of his knee and another pushing him to the ground if he moved.

      It's totally unnecessary, and neck-pressure is banned in almost every civilised police force in the world because of this - it's unnecessary and known to be deadly.

      • (Score: 1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @05:15PM (11 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @05:15PM (#1031825)

        Hmmm. Good question. Maybe if he wasn't passing around brand new faux twenty dollar bills then maybe he'd be alive. Fuck everyone who glorifies thugs.

        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by janrinok on Wednesday August 05 2020, @06:06PM (7 children)

          by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday August 05 2020, @06:06PM (#1031864) Journal

          Did Floyd know it was a fake note? Has any evidence to prove that he knew that it was fake been provided yet? How do you know that it was the same note that Floyd offered to the store-keeper and not one that the store-keeper wanted to pass on so that he wouldn't be out of pocket? Were there any other fake notes in the till? Did anyone check?

          There is a reason that we have a legal system, and an important part of that system is that people are presumed innocent until proven guilty, no matter what crimes he may have previously committed. He might be guilty as hell, but that is what the courts are for.

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @06:54PM (6 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @06:54PM (#1031886)

            "Between 1997 and 2005, he was convicted of eight crimes; in 2009, he accepted a plea bargain for a 2007 aggravated robbery, serving four years in prison.". I guess there is a possibility that those were also committed by people that found him a convenient scapegoat to blame their own actions on...

            There's too many people in the black community that have a lackadaisical attitude to crime / don't think further than the end of their nose to make a quick buck at someone else's expense and well-being. Near here, a cop got dragged through the dirt for shooting a black teenager making a run for it - who moments before had sprayed another man with gunfire riding in a jitney. Most normal thing in the world, having a cabbie take you to kill someone on the street, then ride back home. No word in the media about the victim there, who almost lost his life. When I hear "black lives matter", my heart is with the black victims of daily crime.

            • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @07:25PM (5 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @07:25PM (#1031903)

              Did the cops have that information when they made the arrest? Show me the part in the video where someone announces Floyd's complete criminal history and the cops build a psychological profile of him before making the arrest.

              All they knew was that he was some random black guy and they killed him over $20 they didn't even have proof he knew was fake.

              This is just like the Erik Garner case - killing a guy for selling cigarettes illegally? Really? What's next, raiding the Girl Scouts' lemonade stands - but only if the girls are black?

              The police absolutely should be going after the muggers, the rapists, the armed robbers, and the murderers. But lethal force for petty theft makes the police the villains. I don't care if George Floyd was a criminal mastermind that spent 6 million in forged currency, until he attacked someone he didn't deserve lethal force.

              • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @11:45PM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @11:45PM (#1032024)

                Moron... Girl Scouts doesn't allow blacks or wetbaX.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 06 2020, @03:24AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 06 2020, @03:24AM (#1032123)

                  They do hunt down shitheads when they get older and qualify for a huntress badge. I'd watch out the next time you buy some cookies if I were you.

              • (Score: 2, Interesting) by khallow on Thursday August 06 2020, @01:00AM (2 children)

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 06 2020, @01:00AM (#1032061) Journal

                All they knew was that he was some random black guy and they killed him over $20 they didn't even have proof he knew was fake.

                Unless they knew [newsone.com] otherwise.

                A former coworker at El Nuevo Rodeo insisted that the two would have recognized one another and that Chauvin was “extremely aggressive within the club with some of the patrons,” according to a report from Newsweek.

                David Pinney, who worked at El Nuevo Rodeo at the same time when Floyd and Chauvin did, said the fired cop “knew” Floyd. “I would say pretty well,” he added.

                Pinney’s comments came on the day of Floyd’s funeral in Houston which took place more than two weeks after the police killing that was recorded on video by one of many witnesses. Chauvin was arrested and charged on May 29 with third-degree murder and manslaughter. On June 3, his charges were upgraded to second-degree murder and the three other officers involved were arrested and charged with felony aiding and abetting second-degree murder.

                Pinney’s comments also corroborated earlier reports from El Nuevo Rodeo’s from owner that Floyd and Chauvin knew each other. Maya Santamaria, who owned the building for almost two decades before selling the venue in recent months, told KSTP.com last month that Floyd and Chauvin once worked security for her.

                One of the things missed here is that Chauvin might not only have had a motive for murdering Floyd, but planned it, say to remove from the picture an erratic person who threatened some illicit scheme the cops had going. That moves things from a random killing to first degree murder.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 06 2020, @01:43AM (1 child)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 06 2020, @01:43AM (#1032079)

                  So a massive police conspiracy is more plausible then him dying by mistake due to stress, a heart condition and a large amount of drugs in his system and years of drug usage?

                  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Thursday August 06 2020, @02:05AM

                    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 06 2020, @02:05AM (#1032085) Journal

                    So a massive police conspiracy is more plausible then him dying by mistake due to stress, a heart condition and a large amount of drugs in his system and years of drug usage?

                    Yes, because your explanation doesn't cover why Chauvin killed him. What exactly was Chauvin waiting for that took that long?

        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by martyb on Wednesday August 05 2020, @07:18PM (1 child)

          by martyb (76) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday August 05 2020, @07:18PM (#1031899) Journal

          Hmmm. Good question. Maybe if he wasn't passing around brand new faux twenty dollar bills then maybe he'd be alive. Fuck everyone who glorifies thugs.

          I do not check every bill I receive in change. Quite frankly, I don't know anyone who does. Do not attribute to malice what can be explained by ignorance. He could easily have received it in change for a purchase he had made earlier.

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          • (Score: 2) by dry on Thursday August 06 2020, @03:07AM

            by dry (223) on Thursday August 06 2020, @03:07AM (#1032114) Journal

            At least twice my wife has ended up with fake 10's, in a country that switched to plastic money a few years back. So not only did she not notice, but likewise the cashier at the grocery store didn't. American money looks much easier to pass fakes of.

        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday August 06 2020, @12:42AM

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday August 06 2020, @12:42AM (#1032052) Journal

          So forging twenties is a death penalty offense punishable by summary execution without trial now? Go to Hell.

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      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @09:59PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @09:59PM (#1031982)

        You handcuff or ziptie his legs. Then you can release him, because even if he struggles he's not going to get away from 4 freely moving 150-300 pound cops.

        Seriously, there was no reason to stand on his neck or chest past an initial 1-2 minutes to properly restrain him. Anything more should be enough evidence to get you discharged from your job as a cop for insufficient training, mental retardation, general incompetence, or willful malice.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by epitaxial on Wednesday August 05 2020, @03:33PM (12 children)

      by epitaxial (3165) on Wednesday August 05 2020, @03:33PM (#1031770)

      Most cops are psychopaths. If you really do enjoy killing people it would be the right profession. There is a reason why cops have domestic violence rates several times higher than the average.

      • (Score: -1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @04:08PM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @04:08PM (#1031805)

        There is a reason why cops have domestic violence rates several times higher than the average.

        The same thing could also be said of lesbians. [ncadv.org]

        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @06:07PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @06:07PM (#1031865)

          Last I checked lesbians aren't given a gun and a license to kill.

          Only stupid fucks upmod your comment.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @09:43PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @09:43PM (#1031972)

            I read somewhere that while male cops are generally queer-bashing homophobes, up to 50% of female cops are lesbians.

            • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @11:58PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @11:58PM (#1032034)

              I saw a video that corroborates your second statistic.

        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday August 06 2020, @12:44AM (1 child)

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday August 06 2020, @12:44AM (#1032053) Journal

          For what this is worth, I did suffer domestic abuse...at the hands of my *bisexual* ex. Current (and hopefully lifelong!) partner is as gold-star as I am and we've never even so much as had a shouting match.

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          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday August 06 2020, @04:39AM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 06 2020, @04:39AM (#1032150) Journal
            Good job, Hazuki. I notice in the AC's link a possible explanation for that alleged increase in "lesbian" violence:

            3. In a study of male same sex relationships, only 26% of men called the police for assistance after experiencing near-lethal violence.
            4. In 2012, fewer than 5% of LGBTQ survivors of intimate partner violence sought orders of protection.

            In other words, it reflects that such people can't rely on the protection of police and the law except in extreme cases of violence, something they have in common with domestic partners of police officers.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by fustakrakich on Wednesday August 05 2020, @06:25PM (4 children)

        by fustakrakich (6150) on Wednesday August 05 2020, @06:25PM (#1031871) Journal

        Most cops are psychopaths.

        Not just cops. Most positions of authority are filled with psychopaths. To do the job, you gotta be one. Goes with the territory. Look at congress, sitting on billions (giving it to Wall Street) while people are being fired and evicted from their homes.

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        • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Thursday August 06 2020, @06:03PM (3 children)

          by acid andy (1683) on Thursday August 06 2020, @06:03PM (#1032368) Homepage Journal

          To do the job, you gotta be one.

          If that's really, completely, true then most of us would probably be better off if that particular job were no longer done at all. Perhaps there needs to be a very different job description with a very different system of remuneration.

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          • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Thursday August 06 2020, @06:05PM

            by acid andy (1683) on Thursday August 06 2020, @06:05PM (#1032369) Homepage Journal

            Oops. Not sure what went on with those quotes.

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          • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday August 06 2020, @06:36PM (1 child)

            by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday August 06 2020, @06:36PM (#1032397) Journal

            Authority just has to be held accountable. Gotta stand up to it. Submissiveness is a big part of the problem, but maybe that's to avoid being exterminated.

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            • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Friday August 07 2020, @08:56PM

              by acid andy (1683) on Friday August 07 2020, @08:56PM (#1033157) Homepage Journal

              I think perhaps the ultimate problem is that the psychopaths enjoy spending a lot of time destroying their opponents whereas almost all non-psychopaths find the full implications of standing up to corruption to be very exhausting and unpleasant. Perhaps there are just too many psychopaths and not enough altruistic non-psychopaths that are willing to dedicate their entire lives to that fight? It doesn't help that beating the psychopaths usually requires playing their own Machiavellian game--it's no coincidence that they're often brought down by other psychopaths.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @10:23PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @10:23PM (#1031990)

        You forgot to link to your study.

        Really? Generilizing like you are the only one right, sounds like you are just an asshole.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @05:44PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @05:44PM (#1031847)

      Only cowards, sell outs and idiots pay the federal income tax.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 06 2020, @12:48AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 06 2020, @12:48AM (#1032056)

      But a healthy person should probably have survived that.

      Therefore, somebody who doesn't survive asphyxiation is unhealthy. QED

      I mean, anybody can study meditation and yoga, learn how to reduce their heart rate and oxygen consumption, and survive for hours without breathing. Anybody who needs to breathe more than once every ten minutes is a pussy. We will come for them, and the socialists, and the Mexicans, and the trannies, and once we purge the weak and inferior, we will Make America Great Again! Heil Trump!

  • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Wednesday August 05 2020, @08:02PM (7 children)

    by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday August 05 2020, @08:02PM (#1031917) Journal

    To my mind "8 minutes" argues against that. You don't need premeditation to have intent. OTOH, I really don't understand the "degrees of murder".

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @08:15PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @08:15PM (#1031921)

      I really don't understand the "degrees of murder".

      It's common in the US. Taking California as an example:

      CalPC §187

      (a) Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being, or a fetus, with malice aforethought.

      (b) This section shall not apply to any person who commits an act that results in the death of a fetus if any of the following apply:

      (1) The act complied with the Therapeutic Abortion Act, Article 2 (commencing with Section 123400) of Chapter 2 of Part 2 of Division 106 of the Health and Safety Code .

      (2) The act was committed by a holder of a physician's and surgeon's certificate, as defined in the Business and Professions Code, in a case where, to a medical certainty, the result of childbirth would be death of the mother of the fetus or where her death from childbirth, although not medically certain, would be substantially certain or more likely than not.

      (3) The act was solicited, aided, abetted, or consented to by the mother of the fetus.

      (c) Subdivision (b) shall not be construed to prohibit the prosecution of any person under any other provision of law.

      CalPC §188

      (a) For purposes of Section 187 , malice may be express or implied.

      (1) Malice is express when there is manifested a deliberate intention to unlawfully take away the life of a fellow creature.

      (2) Malice is implied when no considerable provocation appears, or when the circumstances attending the killing show an abandoned and malignant heart.

      (3) Except as stated in subdivision (e) of Section 189 , in order to be convicted of murder, a principal in a crime shall act with malice aforethought.  Malice shall not be imputed to a person based solely on his or her participation in a crime.

      (b) If it is shown that the killing resulted from an intentional act with express or implied malice, as defined in subdivision (a), no other mental state need be shown to establish the mental state of malice aforethought.  Neither an awareness of the obligation to act within the general body of laws regulating society nor acting despite that awareness is included within the definition of malice.

      CalPC §189

      (a) All murder that is perpetrated by means of a destructive device or explosive, a weapon of mass destruction, knowing use of ammunition designed primarily to penetrate metal or armor, poison, lying in wait, torture, or by any other kind of willful, deliberate, and premeditated killing, or that is committed in the perpetration of, or attempt to perpetrate, arson, rape, carjacking, robbery, burglary, mayhem, kidnapping, train wrecking, or any act punishable under Section 206 , 286 , 288 , 288a , or 289 , or murder that is perpetrated by means of discharging a firearm from a motor vehicle, intentionally at another person outside of the vehicle with the intent to inflict death, is murder of the first degree.

      (b) All other kinds of murders are of the second degree.

      (c) As used in this section, the following definitions apply:

      (1) “Destructive device” has the same meaning as in Section 16460 .

      (2) “Explosive” has the same meaning as in Section 12000 of the Health and Safety Code .

      (3) “Weapon of mass destruction” means any item defined in Section 11417 .

      (d) To prove the killing was “deliberate and premeditated,” it is not necessary to prove the defendant maturely and meaningfully reflected upon the gravity of his or her act.

      (e) A participant in the perpetration or attempted perpetration of a felony listed in subdivision (a) in which a death occurs is liable for murder only if one of the following is proven:

      (1) The person was the actual killer.

      (2) The person was not the actual killer, but, with the intent to kill, aided, abetted, counseled, commanded, induced, solicited, requested, or assisted the actual killer in the commission of murder in the first degree.

      (3) The person was a major participant in the underlying felony and acted with reckless indifference to human life, as described in subdivision (d) of Section 190.2 .

      (f) Subdivision (e) does not apply to a defendant when the victim is a peace officer who was killed while in the course of his or her duties, where the defendant knew or reasonably should have known that the victim was a peace officer engaged in the performance of his or her duties.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @09:41PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday August 05 2020, @09:41PM (#1031969)

        Laws are always so explicit, and conditional, you can really see how each clause is edited contnuously to close loopholes. Never studied it but can imahine murder1 started with a really short sentence like “killed a person with aforethought”.

    • (Score: 2) by dry on Thursday August 06 2020, @03:22AM (4 children)

      by dry (223) on Thursday August 06 2020, @03:22AM (#1032120) Journal

      Generally, murder is purposely killing someone. 1st degree is when you plan it and 2nd degree is when it is impulsive with manslaughter when you didn't mean to kill, just a good beating or such. As I said, that's a generalization, here the last government expanded 1st degree to include any killing of a cop, guard and such. I'd never heard of 3rd degree until this case.
      Usually 1st degree is considered a worse crime then 2nd etc and comes with a harsher sentence.

      • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday August 06 2020, @01:55PM (1 child)

        by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 06 2020, @01:55PM (#1032254) Journal

        Well, this doesn't look premeditated, but it does look intentional. So by that definition I'd guess 2nd degree fits best. But calling something that extended over 8 minutes impulsive seems to be understating the seriousness.

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        • (Score: 2) by dry on Thursday August 06 2020, @02:43PM

          by dry (223) on Thursday August 06 2020, @02:43PM (#1032270) Journal

          Well, Khallow claims to have seen evidence that they worked together in a bar and Floyd got really nervous when it appeared the cops were going to take him to where there were no witnesses, so possibly pre-mediatated but sure hard to prove and charges are usually based on what there is a good chance of successfully prosecuting.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 06 2020, @02:49PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 06 2020, @02:49PM (#1032272)

        3rd is when you kill someone while committing another felony, you don't need intent to kill, just intent to commit the other felony.

        • (Score: 2) by dry on Thursday August 06 2020, @02:57PM

          by dry (223) on Thursday August 06 2020, @02:57PM (#1032274) Journal

          Thanks, makes sense.