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posted by chromas on Thursday August 13 2020, @05:55AM   Printer-friendly
from the here-today,-gone-tomorrow dept.

Mozilla lays off 250 employees while it refocuses on commercial products

The Mozilla Corporation announced today it was laying off approximately 250 staff members in a move to shore up the organization's financial future.

The layoffs were publicly announced in a blog post today. Employees were notified hours before, earlier this morning, via an email [PDF] sent by Mitchell Baker, Mozilla Corporation CEO and Mozilla Foundation Chairwoman.

Baker's message cited the organization's need to adapt its finances to a post-COVID-19 world and re-focus the organization on new commercial services.

[...] In 2018, the Mozilla Corporation said it had around 1,000 full-time employees worldwide. Mozilla previously laid off 70 employees in January. Several sources have told ZDNet that the recent layoffs accounted for nearly a quarter of the organization's workforce.

Main casualties of today's layoffs were the developers working on the company's experimental Servo browser engine and Mozilla's threat management security team. The latter is the security team that investigates security reports and performs incident response. The security team that fixes bugs in Mozilla products is still in place, according to sources and a Mozilla spokesperson.

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  • (Score: 3, Touché) by fustakrakich on Thursday August 13 2020, @06:15AM (21 children)

    by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday August 13 2020, @06:15AM (#1036012) Journal

    Pity, they used to make a really good web browser...

    It started life as a crippled version of what is still the best browser [seamonkey-project.org]

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  • (Score: 5, Funny) by Arik on Thursday August 13 2020, @07:07AM (18 children)

    by Arik (4543) on Thursday August 13 2020, @07:07AM (#1036021) Journal
    No, it started as the stripped down, customizable browser only alternative to Nutscrape Navigator, the browser that insisted you needed to install a dozen different clients in order to load a webpage.

    I'm not sure exactly when SeaMonkey started, but it took off about the time the stripped down customizable web browser got even more bloated than Navigator.
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    • (Score: 2) by Subsentient on Thursday August 13 2020, @08:11AM (1 child)

      by Subsentient (1111) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 13 2020, @08:11AM (#1036042) Homepage Journal

      Lol, "Nutscrape Navigator".

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      • (Score: 3, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday August 13 2020, @11:25PM

        by Azuma Hazuki (5086) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 13 2020, @11:25PM (#1036354) Journal

        I'm old enough to remember that one. Nutscrape and its MS counterpart Internut Exploder.

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    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by fustakrakich on Thursday August 13 2020, @08:18AM (15 children)

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday August 13 2020, @08:18AM (#1036048) Journal

      No, it started as the stripped down, customizable browser only alternative to Nutscrape Navigator

      Yes, that's what I said. Netscape is Seamonkey, and there is no denying that it is still the best ever. I've tried the rest, they all suck. Firefox was always lame. It was never really any faster than the full Mozilla suite. And now it's just a Chrome Look-a-like. Why not just use Chrome? What does Firefox offer?

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      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Arik on Thursday August 13 2020, @08:35AM (6 children)

        by Arik (4543) on Thursday August 13 2020, @08:35AM (#1036053) Journal
        "Firefox was always lame."

        I must disagree.

        It became lame about version 4. It became totally lame when they abandoned version numbers and started with the marketing numbers. So roughly 10 years ago.

        At this point it's an object history in how not to manage a software project.

        The people who need to learn their lesson, won't.
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        • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday August 13 2020, @08:38AM (4 children)

          by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday August 13 2020, @08:38AM (#1036054) Journal

          :-) But, we still have Seamonkey. So all is well

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          • (Score: 2) by Arik on Thursday August 13 2020, @08:43AM (3 children)

            by Arik (4543) on Thursday August 13 2020, @08:43AM (#1036057) Journal
            Is it?

            Doesn't that depend on Gecko?
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            • (Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Thursday August 13 2020, @10:29AM (1 child)

              by maxwell demon (1608) Subscriber Badge on Thursday August 13 2020, @10:29AM (#1036080) Journal

              The nice thing with Open Source is that if the original developer fails to deliver, others can take over.

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              • (Score: 3, Insightful) by barbara hudson on Thursday August 13 2020, @05:27PM

                by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Thursday August 13 2020, @05:27PM (#1036230) Journal
                But that takes money. More than 90% of Mozilla's funding is through the deal with Google. Without it, they would have closed shop within a year or so. So how are you gonna finance the salaries of hundreds of developers? There are no companies with deep pockets who need Firefox, unlike those who pay Linux devs.
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            • (Score: 2, Interesting) by fustakrakich on Thursday August 13 2020, @05:27PM

              by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday August 13 2020, @05:27PM (#1036229) Journal

              It could depend on PFM, as long as it works... Really it's the stability of its interface and options that keep me hooked. Cookie manager could use some work though. And bookmarking, you know who had the absolute best bookmarking? Internet Explorer, it just stored a shortcut to the page on your disk. It was perfect. I could manage them in a regular window like any other file. Using a database is stupid and kludgy

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        • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 14 2020, @06:39PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 14 2020, @06:39PM (#1036654)

          It was originally an independent project to strip off the bloat of using javascript and html/xml markup to generate the user interface running on top of... either gtk 1.x or very early 2.x in order to have cross platform compatibility. It was fast with a small memory footprint, and the initial source of tabs on Netscape/Mozilla Browser (they were still using the browser window paradigm where each open page was its own window).

          The switch to XUL happened after the project had become popular and they offered the developer a job, before moving someone else in to manage the project, then start pushing the XUL crap on firefox as well (( think they started with the interpreted garbage that had made the post-Mozilla browser suite so slow, but were working on the JIT javascript support around that time.) End result was the customizable and plugin friendly Firefox that we all accidentally pitched to our friends because most of us were still using the native widget client with none of the XUL overhead. Then systems jumped up in memory and cpu performance during the late p4/athlon xp and early core2/athlon64 era and most of the people who hated xul finally switched because there wasn't a compelling reason not to. As an aside: If i remember correctly, there were a lot of xul related exploits during that time, which firefox avoided, while general javascript/media handling exploits worked on both, but generally didn't get as far on firefox. XUL changed all that for the worse.

      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 13 2020, @08:43AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 13 2020, @08:43AM (#1036058)

        Mosaic? A pattern made of differently colored stone fragments, set in a mortar matrix, and ground into a flat floor-like surface. Netscape? A scape of nets? Or the rogue rip-off off Stanford graduate students, same as it ever was. And then, the Dark Lord, Internet Exploder, come to blow you up and destroy network standards and protocols. And finally, Mozilla! Risen from the dead, prepared to return battle to the Dark Lord, who in Redmond lies. Or, not so much. And now, after the Mormon-Catholic anti-gay and trans and democrat and cowboy thing, we have come to this. Obligatory XKCD [soylentnews.org]" rel="url2html-20493">https://xkcd.com/1022/">XKCD Will no one think of the children? Where are the standards? Why do I not have extensions to nuke advertisers and trackers to the Sixth Level of Dante's Inferno? Even the Pale Moon has paled as a browser, in favor of the whores and mercenaries, and Betsy DeVoses, of the internet. Good luck, humanity!

      • (Score: 4, Funny) by fido_dogstoyevsky on Thursday August 13 2020, @11:33AM

        ...And now it's just a Chrome Look-a-like. Why not just use Chrome? What does Firefox offer?

        A powerful argument to choose Seamonkey.

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      • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Thursday August 13 2020, @01:40PM

        by HiThere (866) on Thursday August 13 2020, @01:40PM (#1036123) Journal

        To me it is still better than Chrome, if only in the way it handles bookmarks...though it sure isn't as good as it used to be. I'm not quite sure which "threat management" team they've fired, but it doesn't sound good. Thinking that it handled threat management better than SeaMonkey did was the only thing in its favor.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 13 2020, @05:16PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 13 2020, @05:16PM (#1036222)

        I like SeaMonkey's speed, reliability, and low resource usage, but I have the visual design. Too much screen space is wasted! I've fallen in love with qutebrowser, not just because of good vi-like keybinds, but because it doesn't waste half the space on the screen putting big ass buttons that I don't use everywhere.

        • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday August 13 2020, @05:32PM (2 children)

          by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday August 13 2020, @05:32PM (#1036232) Journal

          Too much screen space is wasted!

          Try F11

          low resource usage

          *cough* Say whaaa?!

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          • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 13 2020, @09:00PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 13 2020, @09:00PM (#1036306)

            Seamonkey used something like 1/4 the RAM of Firefox or chrome last time I checked. I had to open a bunch of tabs to get to more than 1G.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 14 2020, @07:45AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 14 2020, @07:45AM (#1036459)

              It's probably a single process, would make sense based on your 1/4 measure, because FF forks 4 worker processes on my system. FF and Chrome fork() with your ram, maaan!

      • (Score: 2) by Joe Desertrat on Friday August 14 2020, @09:59PM

        by Joe Desertrat (2454) on Friday August 14 2020, @09:59PM (#1036784)

        Firefox still offers a large number of add-ons and greater controls over your browsing experience in a readily available browser. Seamonkey is still not available in default Ubuntu repositories. Iceape and Iceweasel (forks of Seamonkey) used to be but I don't think they even exist any more. I don't know how Seamonkey ranks with add-ons, I have not used it at all since I disconnected my Windows PC from the internet in 2007 or so.

        Firefox seems to keep following the Yahoo internet strategy path so I expect it to sadly become a non-viable option at some point, but it still is light years better than Chrome.

  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 13 2020, @07:10AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday August 13 2020, @07:10AM (#1036023)

    I think that the guys developing FF extensions, gecko based browsers, and the new rust engine, should consider mozilla a zombie and start supporting forks as they were the main versions.
    No need to invest. Use IPFS/zeronet/torrents as the zero cost massive distribution network, the end.

    Seamonkey has the right UX philosophy: the UI is familiar, therefore change as little as possible. Waterfox has been bought, so it depends on what the new owners want.

  • (Score: 2) by darkfeline on Thursday August 13 2020, @08:20AM

    by darkfeline (1030) on Thursday August 13 2020, @08:20AM (#1036050) Homepage

    It started life with a team of skilled and competent developers, and then those developers left and went on to work on Chrome/Chromium. Which explains a lot, really.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20100310155025/https://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2009/07/09/sun-valley-schmidt-didnt-want-to-build-chrome-initially-he-says/ [archive.org]

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