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posted by martyb on Wednesday August 19 2020, @12:22PM   Printer-friendly
from the iron+oxygen dept.

Rust Core Team + Mozilla To Create A Rust Foundation

Rust's core team and Mozilla are announcing plans to create a Rust foundation with the hopes of establishing this legal entity by year's end. The trademarks and related assets of Rust, Cargo, and Crates.io will belong to this foundation. Work is well underway on establishing this foundation with originally coming to the idea of possibly creating an independent Rust foundation last year, now pushed along by the recent Mozilla layoffs and the global pandemic. This should allow the Rust community more safety rather than being reliant upon a sole organization (Mozilla) and help foster growth and open up new possibilities.

Lay(off)ing the foundation for Rust's future

Previously: Mozilla Lays Off 250, Including Entire Threat Management Team

Related: Linus Torvalds: Don't Hide Rust in Linux Kernel; Death to AVX-512


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by barbara hudson on Thursday August 20 2020, @02:59AM (2 children)

    by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Thursday August 20 2020, @02:59AM (#1039204) Journal
    You don't need scripting to make the web work. End of story. You also don't need compiling to bytecode if you're not trying to make web pages into "apps".

    Plain text and HTML. No css - let the user decide how the pages render, which was the original goal. But W3C fucked that up by trying to answer demands that web pages lay out more like magazines. It's not supposed to be a page description language, just a way to lay out information in a simple structured way, and let the end user pick a user agent that renders it to their liking, and their own customization.

    Trying to implement a bit of postscript-like or PDF functionality as a core of the whole HTML/is/css pile of shit got us the problems we have today. Speaking of W3 mistakes, the rationale for emojis was a typically W3 thing - adding crap that isn't needed because text is too easy to communicate with. Bureaucracy adds features to justify their jobs whether they're needed or not. Then browsers have to implement these unnecessary features. So we end up with an insecure bloated hierarchy - browsers, web pages, and an ecosystem of stuff to guard against the problems the bureaucracy created.

    How insecure is a browser that doesn't load images, css, or scripts from anywhere, and doesn't load more than just the page requested from the original server? No frames or iframes from other servers, nothing? Not even an automatic redirect or timed refresh? No embedded fonts or glyphs?

    Apps in browsers were always a bad idea. Thanks for nuthin' "web standards" - there are too many and browsers have to choose to implement them all or they're "behind the standards." Even HTML 1.0 was crap. Ever bother with the "menu" tag? No, because it doesn't do what you think it should. And calling a link an anchor was retarded. So was the rationale to explain it away.

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  • (Score: 2) by Common Joe on Thursday August 20 2020, @09:53AM (1 child)

    by Common Joe (33) <{common.joe.0101} {at} {gmail.com}> on Thursday August 20 2020, @09:53AM (#1039293) Journal

    I wish I could just sit back and eat popcorn, but unfortunately, pretty much every IT person (like you and me) is in the middle of all this.

    I've said this exact same thing before years ago (and I know you have too). Isn't it amazing how many people call us luddites? I find the idea of writing a full app in a web browser crazy. Why not just write an actual app in the first place? There are languages designed to be multi-operating-system based and have security in mind. I'm not against apps. I'm just against stupidity.

    I really wish more websites let us choose how the information is displayed. The user should have much better control of the CSS part. (And the html should be clean and simple.)

    • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Thursday August 20 2020, @12:43PM

      by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Thursday August 20 2020, @12:43PM (#1039324) Journal

      I'd settle for a Usenet news feed. Simple concept, and people could pick the news reader that matches their preferences for how the data was displayed. We have operating systems to run applications. Inserting a browser between the OS and the application is just another layer that brings its own problems.

      But of course in today's world it's all about monetization of the users data - and that's easier when everything has to pass through a web browser. What other system would allow 100 different ad companies to be pinged by you looking at a piece of data such as a page of information about a dog?

      People would be really pissed off if their text messages behaved that way, or their text editor, but they give the keys to their kingdom to every damn web service and "affiliate ". vim doesn't report what I'm writing to everyone, neither does any local music player I use (my laptop is rarely connected - no streaming ever). If I want to listen to Edwin Starr's version of War every day for a year, I should not have to stream 365 copies of it. If I want to watch Spaceballs or the Terminator or Through a Scanner Darkly every year , that's my business. I'm not going stream the same data again and again.

      Streaming and other web services add so much overhead over the course of a lifetime. Give the planet a break - just give me the data and let me store it locally, and look at it the way that I want. When I want. No reporting back to the hive.

      And please get rid of those ridiculous looking wireless earbuds. You all look like dorks. Not every Apple idea is a good one (hockey puck mouse, anyone? Or using the trash can icon to eject media? Ranks right up there with Microsoft start button to shut down. Or GNOME putting the Cancel button on the left in dialogue boxes.)

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