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on Friday August 21 2020, @01:04AM
from the out-with-the-old-in-with-the-new dept.
from the out-with-the-old-in-with-the-new dept.
Microsoft 365 apps to end Internet Explorer support next year:
Internet Explorer's days have been numbered since Microsoft launched its Edge browser five years ago. Microsoft appears to be another step toward closer to retiring the web browser with the announcement its Microsoft 365 apps suite will end support for Internet Explorer 11 on Aug. 17, 2021, the company said Monday.
Users of Microsoft's Teams chat and collaboration service will lose IE 11 support a bit earlier, on Nov. 30, Microsoft said in a blog post. Microsoft also said it would end support for the Microsoft Edge Legacy desktop app on March 9, 2021.
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(Score: 5, Insightful) by stretch611 on Friday August 21 2020, @04:04AM (7 children)
Wow!!! you work for Microsoft... And you admit it too!!! On a tech site like this too... I saw that statement and the first thing I expected was to see a Anonymous Coward post. It takes courage to admit that.
Ok, now the joking part is over. You said employee, not executive or board member, So I will assume that you are doing the job you are told to do and not setting policy.
This is the absolute wrong approach IMO. By figuring out new way to have modern browsers incorporate the horrible features of the past, you are just enabling people to continue to leave the old crap (like activeX) in place. Proprietary things like ActiveX are the problem; (as well as things like Flash;) It (and others) are huge security flaws. By letting modern browsers utilize these sites we are just adding new flaws into the browsers which are not the best at security already.
We need to fix this problem by going to the people running the servers that are still using ActiveX and force them to change to something different. We knew the issues around this stuff for years and anyone in technology should have known that these technologies were on life support and no longer use them. With the assumption that these websites still using ActiveX are profitable and important to their users that they are able to force their clients to stay on IE for this long... How much money are they making from this and yet they refuse to invest in a technology upgrade? These are the people that need to have change forced on them or die as a company. They have made their money, now fix your server... Don't expect others to downgrade their tech for you.
Now with 5 covid vaccine shots/boosters altering my DNA :P
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 21 2020, @04:13AM (1 child)
Some years ago, a friend called me and said, "I just accepted a job at Microsoft. Will you still be my friend?"
I'm still not convinced MS is not evil anymore, but this was before MS had made any moves away from the dark side.
(Score: 2) by stretch611 on Friday August 21 2020, @06:27AM
I have a good friend (a fraternity brother from college,) who also worked for Microsoft; our friendship lasted throughout this. He was eventually laid off by MIcrosoft.
However, our friendship is significantly more strained right now. He a devout Trump support and spews the Rupublitard spin on everything. Even when he was benefiting from the extended unemployment package after he was laid off he refused to acknowledge that he was being helped by Obama and the democrats. (He was laid off by Microsoft during the financial crisis a decade ago.) Out of one cult... and into another.
The fact is, after 30 years of friendship, I know he is not a racist. He is a catholic and has a strong anti-abortion stance. We both grew up in the same city in the NE and while we were both republican leaning back in our college days, I felt disillusioned by the party caring more about the religious right than the fiscal responsibility. I became an independent, while his religious view on abortion drew him further into the republican party. Now that is what keeps him there and he has a big set of horse blinders on for anything that is not reported by fox news.
Note: Those who are familiar with me on this site probably realize by now that I am a huge wise-ass and joke all the time. But this is no joke, it is true, and honestly I find it a bit painful that my friend and I are currently strained like this right now. I have not given up on the friendship, but it is very hard right now for us to even talk with each other.
Now with 5 covid vaccine shots/boosters altering my DNA :P
(Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Friday August 21 2020, @08:13AM (2 children)
> How much money are they making from this and yet they refuse to invest in a technology upgrade?
For quite a few, no money at all. For example, folks running internal software in medium/large enterprises. Don't screw the devs or they might walk away.
Nb: for many corps, browser lock-in is one of the things holding people to windows. I run a windows box purely for talking to our HR systems, otherwise I would have moved completely to linux many years ago.
(Score: 2) by stretch611 on Friday August 21 2020, @10:59AM (1 child)
I actually made this same point yesterday. [soylentnews.org]
However, there is one huge difference... I wrote it in reference to devs selling software on a particular platform. They are not paid to work on said platform. When you are paying the devs, the devs should build what you want... not what the devs want. Yes, it is their field and you should listen to sound advice... but sound advice is not keeping around flawed tech. (Old systems do not necessarily be replaced, they can work for years... but flawed systems that are incompatible with modern tech has got to go.)
If your devs can only work on obsolete systems with horrible system flaws, it is your own problem for paying them to do that. A corporate entity should pay them to replace it with a better system and replace those developers that can not or will not change/adapt.
Yes, a big thank you to corporate accounting. (I spent many years as a developer in large corporations.) The IT area is nothing more than a money pit. It costs a lot to run and it makes nothing in profit.The whole group should be happy with what little funding we give it. That seems to be the mantra of the board of directors at all corporations except *some* of the ones that sell software.
The fact is, the corporation should be making money. Maybe not this particular year... but over time they would cease to exist if they only lose money. Like it or not, they have to invest in their IT infrastructure, If it breaks, or has a major security breach, they risk losing everything.
Now with 5 covid vaccine shots/boosters altering my DNA :P
(Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Friday August 21 2020, @01:59PM
> Like it or not, they have to invest in their IT infrastructure,
Sure, I agree. I think my point was that MS should continue with backwards compatibility. Of course IT departments should invest in their infrastructure.
(Score: 2) by ElizabethGreene on Friday August 21 2020, @08:52PM (1 child)
(Parent Poster, same disclosure.)
Candidly, I don't know anyone within Microsoft or in the real world that doesn't want to see the end of Internet Explorer. Unfortunately you have businesses with technology solutions they won't or can't replace. Case in point, I did some work for a beverage company that with an application that tracked maintenance and repairs on their trucks. They retired this application and replaced it with a modern html5 app. They have a legal mandate to keep that old application running that requires IE running for, no shit, ten years. It's an exceptionally tough sell to ask them to spend money to fix that app.
If we dropped support for IE entirely it wouldn't get rid of IE. Instead you'd have millions of pre-drop machines sitting out there, unpatched, to access apps like that. What I like about IE mode is we can get the majority of people doing the majority of browsing in a modern browser. Getting IE in a sandbox for the majority of users is a huge step forward. I think that was the motivation.
... I can't offer any defense for the bazillions of IE-only government websites. That's just shameful.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 21 2020, @10:17PM
It is not better. Maybe then patch the broken os and keep them too up to date. M$ will feel the pain that they created. They create a monopoly and heavy lock-in. They should be paying for the repairs for breaks they have left behind.