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posted by Fnord666 on Friday August 21 2020, @06:12PM   Printer-friendly
from the oops-our-bad-sorry dept.

Adobe Lightroom iOS update permanently deleted users' photos:

A recent update to the Adobe Lightroom app permanently deleted some iOS users' photos and presets, an Adobe rep confirmed on the Photoshop feedback forums. Adobe has since corrected the issue, which was first spotted by PetaPixel, but not before drawing the ire of many disappointed users.

[...] Needless to say, users who had just lost photos and presets were not happy. "Rikk, we understand the announcement, however this doesn't solve the problem," wrote Ewelina Wojtyczka. "People lost months/years of their work. Apologies will not bring it back."

Adobe hasn't further commented on the bug outside Flohr's post. [...] While Adobe shouldn't be let off the hook for this error, perhaps the importance of multiple backups is the hard lesson we can learn from this.


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by barbara hudson on Friday August 21 2020, @09:56PM (34 children)

    by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Friday August 21 2020, @09:56PM (#1040119) Journal
    Right - put it into the public domain. Watch it wither and die, same as Firefox. Open source still hasn't found the solution to paying developers on a consistent basis. RMS was wrong. And look what it got him in the end.
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  • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday August 21 2020, @10:08PM (18 children)

    by fustakrakich (6150) on Friday August 21 2020, @10:08PM (#1040126) Journal

    Who cares? It's a better deterrent than the nickel and dime lawsuits.

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    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by barbara hudson on Friday August 21 2020, @11:21PM (17 children)

      by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Friday August 21 2020, @11:21PM (#1040154) Journal

      You want to put it in the public domain, you buy it. The law doesn't allow your "remedy."

      Who's going to maintain it? Just look at the 250 people laid off - Firefox is dying. And that sucks. But then again, it's been suffering from "gotta-copy~Chrome-look-and-feel" for a while. Just what are they spending their +$100,900,000-a-year from the Google default search engine deal on anyway?

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      • (Score: 2, Touché) by fustakrakich on Saturday August 22 2020, @12:31AM (15 children)

        by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday August 22 2020, @12:31AM (#1040186) Journal

        Nope, they forfeit the license as the penalty. It should go into the public domain like all expired licenses.

        You anti free software rant is bullshit. I assume you're old enough to know where to put it

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        • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Saturday August 22 2020, @03:30AM (14 children)

          by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Saturday August 22 2020, @03:30AM (#1040262) Journal

          Interesting idea. What's the legal justification?

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          • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday August 22 2020, @03:40AM (7 children)

            by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday August 22 2020, @03:40AM (#1040265) Journal

            It's the same as any other lawsuit. The judgement is forfeiture of their license on the product, instead of the usual slap on the wrist 5 dollar fine.

            Their negligence goes far beyond what should be tolerated. Time for real deterrence

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            • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Saturday August 22 2020, @01:01PM (6 children)

              by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Saturday August 22 2020, @01:01PM (#1040347) Journal

              You really don't have a clue as to how the law works. First, you need a plaintiff with standing with probable injuries. There is none. You're free to download and fork the code. What you're not free to do is call your fork Firefox. Just look at Iceweasel as an example.

              How are you, or anyone, harmed by not being able to use the Firefox trademark? (Which is covered by trademark, not copyright).

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              • (Score: 2, Touché) by fustakrakich on Saturday August 22 2020, @02:57PM (5 children)

                by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday August 22 2020, @02:57PM (#1040396) Journal

                Please pay attention. This isn't about Firefox

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                • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Saturday August 22 2020, @04:02PM (4 children)

                  by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Saturday August 22 2020, @04:02PM (#1040430) Journal
                  Same with - you can not get a court to release copyright except to the legitimate copyright holder in the case of a disputed ownership. If everyone affected by the bug wins a big enough judgment, the court still won't seize the source code. The winners of the award would have to petition the court to place the company in bankruptcy , and the trustee will sell the code. And obviously whoever buys it will keep it closed.

                  No bankruptcy trustee will be allowed to impair the value of the code by opening it up, and the creditors (including those who lost data) would oppose it because they will get far less / no money.

                  Fteetards need to realize that open source has a money problem. Even if the code were released, who would maintain it, and how would you prevent 10,000 forks, reducing the value further? Look at Linux distros - how much is the average distro worth? Zero, because even though it's free, you can't even give it away to most people.

                  Same thing would happen - 100 different forks, all poorly maintained, and worse, nobody to sue when your files are deleted.

                  They would end up pulling a Firefox - spinning stuff off to other organizations, and slowly die.

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                  • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday August 22 2020, @04:07PM

                    by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday August 22 2020, @04:07PM (#1040433) Journal

                    We can get a court order for anything. Your shrill rant precludes any serious discussion. You're not even close to the topic. I can play it your way if you wish, but I'm not really that interested.

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                  • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday August 22 2020, @04:12PM (2 children)

                    by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday August 22 2020, @04:12PM (#1040435) Journal

                    Oh, and code can be seized just like any other asset. Feel free to accept that or not, it's no biggie

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                    • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Saturday August 22 2020, @04:22PM (1 child)

                      by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Saturday August 22 2020, @04:22PM (#1040438) Journal

                      Nope . You'd be amazed how hard it is to seize copyright outside a legitimate dispute of ownership or a bankruptcy. Copyright works enjoy special protection. You can't just say "company x owes me money - seize the code."

                      It gets even better - some jurisdictions don't allow any copyright you own to be seized in bankruptcy. And here, the first $60,00 per year that you earn from performance of a copyright work are tax exempt at the provincial level. Making me wonder if code running on a server is considered a performance of the copyright work.

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                      • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday August 22 2020, @04:24PM

                        by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday August 22 2020, @04:24PM (#1040440) Journal

                        If that is true, it can all be changed. Now is the time to start.

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          • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Saturday August 22 2020, @12:55PM (5 children)

            by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Saturday August 22 2020, @12:55PM (#1040341) Journal

            There is no legal justification. Like all freetards, he wants everything for free and thinks that people will magically volunteer their time on an increasingly complex project that will also magically be able to decide what direction to take, what features to add and drop, etc.

            All this ignores the fact that anyone can download the source today and do what they want with it, including making a fork. It's not like it hasn't been done before. Problem is sustainability. Without the elephant (google) providing 95% of their revenue to keep them alive as a competitor for antitrust concerns (same as Microsoft bailed out Apple ) they would be broke by the end of next year.

            Making ends meet has always been a problem in the open source world. Even today, when traditional software companies are making money hand over fist.

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            • (Score: 3, Touché) by fustakrakich on Saturday August 22 2020, @02:59PM (4 children)

              by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday August 22 2020, @02:59PM (#1040397) Journal

              If you don't like free software, don't use it.

              Your silly shrill rant is still bullshit

              And I remind you this isn't about Firefox. Cut the crap with the distractions

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              • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Saturday August 22 2020, @04:14PM (3 children)

                by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Saturday August 22 2020, @04:14PM (#1040436) Journal
                See my last reply. And ultimately it would be the same situation as Firefox - everyone acknowledges that once the deal with Google is over, Firefox days are numbered. Because you can't make money selling free software. The same thing would happen if Adobes source were released. Who's going to maintain it and keep it in sync with the other versions that weren't affected? Who's going to replace all the proprietary 3rd party code that even a Court couldn't order released in the event adobe went broke?

                Even if adobe said "fuck it, here's our source, hope you choke on it" they can't release 3rd party code, libraries, etc. They can't even release the code interface specs because those are also owned by 3rd parties.

                It's the same as when you and all the other idiots demanded Microsoft release the source of Windows 7. Even if they did, you would not be able to run it because of 3rd party code and libraries they can't release. And it's not like "the community " has the resources to replace those - again, lack of money money money, always money.

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                • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday August 22 2020, @04:26PM (2 children)

                  by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday August 22 2020, @04:26PM (#1040442) Journal

                  You are so completely off base with this Firefox rant. It does not relate in any fashion to what I am advocating. You're just poisoning the forum with that crap, trying to divert the discussion.

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                  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 22 2020, @05:06PM (1 child)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 22 2020, @05:06PM (#1040455)

                    barbara hudson is one of the biggest trolls on this site. For some reason she seems to have some bone to pick with open source, especially the GPL. I don't think she's so much shilling, but rather is just incredibly ignorant. One of her favorite tactics is to pick on some specific open source project, in this case Firefox, then use it that to try to paint broad strokes about open source in general. I would just ignore her.

                    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday August 22 2020, @05:12PM

                      by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday August 22 2020, @05:12PM (#1040458) Journal

                      I can't discuss her condition without knowing if it's shtick or not. Her real name could be "Eliza" for all we know. I don't mind keeping it occupied for a while, it's a slow day

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      • (Score: 2) by captain normal on Saturday August 22 2020, @03:28AM

        by captain normal (2205) on Saturday August 22 2020, @03:28AM (#1040261)

        "gotta-copy~Chrome-look-and-feel"? Seems to me FF tried to copy Windows phone 7, then doubled down on W-P8 and W-p10.

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  • (Score: 2) by Bot on Friday August 21 2020, @10:32PM (13 children)

    by Bot (3902) on Friday August 21 2020, @10:32PM (#1040134) Journal

    I see your firefox and raise a blender.
    The problem with firefox is that the browser is too important not to be infiltrated. Both from a commercial and a political POV.

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    • (Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Friday August 21 2020, @11:28PM (11 children)

      by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Friday August 21 2020, @11:28PM (#1040157) Journal
      The consumer/prosumer user base for blender is a rounding error in comparison. It also has copporate users willing to pay to add functionality. Won't work with Adobe products.

      Same as Linux vs Firefox - there are companies willing to support developers of Linux for their own ends; no such situation for Firefox.

      Firefox will be dead a year after the current deal with Google ends because it will longer represent a meaningful competitor for the purpose of antitrust law.

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      • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 22 2020, @01:52AM (10 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 22 2020, @01:52AM (#1040226)

        The consumer/prosumer user base for blender is a rounding error in comparison. It also has copporate users willing to pay to add functionality. Won't work with Adobe products.

        It certainly works with open source software, which often acquires innovation and functionality long before its proprietary counterparts, especially in regard to Adobe products.

        GIMP had 32-bit editing capability years before Adobe Photoshop, and it was laughable when Adobe made a big deal about their "new" content aware fill, when GIMP acquired the resynthesize function years before. GIMP also had GIF creation/editing long before Photoshop.

        Open source Darktable is just as good (if not better) than Adobe Lightroom, and your settings remain local, so they don't get deleted nor screwed-up in the cloud. Incidentally, there is an upgrade coming to Darktable that has the possibility to bork settings of images accessed with the new version. However, the Darktable developers have warned users well in advance to backup their settings, unlike your "superior" proprietary developers who are financed by corporate interests. In addition, there are even a couple of other powerful open source alternatives to Darktable/Lightroom.

        Furthermore, all of these open source image processing apps can access the raw files from newer camera models long before Photoshop or Lightroom.

        The smaller open source projects just have more freedom and enthusiasm than developers sitting in a corporate cubicle trying grind out a paycheck while not upsetting their boss. Open source projects can move more quickly and release more often than a large corporate entitiy.

        Firefox will be dead a year after the current deal with Google ends because it will longer represent a meaningful competitor for the purpose of antitrust law.

        I think that you will find that it will live on with another name(s) and/or in its already thriving derivatives.

        • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Saturday August 22 2020, @03:33AM (2 children)

          by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Saturday August 22 2020, @03:33AM (#1040263) Journal

          Waterfox sounds interesting, but I'm not sure why it isn't in the Debian repository. That makes me wonder. It's under the MPL, same as firefox, so that shouldn't be the reason.

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          • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday August 22 2020, @03:07PM

            by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday August 22 2020, @03:07PM (#1040402) Journal

            Seamonkey still produces the original Netscape. You needn't look for anything else :-)

            And let's ignore the rants of a crazy person.

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          • (Score: 2) by Bot on Sunday August 23 2020, @12:42PM

            by Bot (3902) on Sunday August 23 2020, @12:42PM (#1040765) Journal

            >I'm not sure why it isn't in the Debian repository

            Debian features systemd as the default init against its own former slogan, the UNIVERSAL operating system. I wouldn't take the inclusion in debian repos as something necessarily positive, so I don't take its exclusion as meaningful either.

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        • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday August 22 2020, @03:04PM (6 children)

          by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday August 22 2020, @03:04PM (#1040400) Journal

          GIMP's big chronic weakness is CMYK. There must be some heavy patents behind to keep it out this long.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 22 2020, @05:20PM (5 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 22 2020, @05:20PM (#1040464)

            GIMP has had CMYK capability with different plugins over the years, and there are several stand-alone open source CMYK converters that also work just fine. So, that's probably why CMYK is not high on the list of features to be added in the GIMP builds (https://wiki.gimp.org/index.php/Roadmap). It's not a patent problem.

            Most GIMP and Photoshop users never employ CMYK capabilities. Personally, I have seen CMYK plugins appear in GIMP from time to time after installing different plug-in packs, but I have never used them. I just checked, and my GIMP 2.10.8 version has CMYK capability.

            • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday August 22 2020, @05:39PM (4 children)

              by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday August 22 2020, @05:39PM (#1040476) Journal

              Just opened a new doc in mine. No "CMYK" under "Image" > "Mode". They put it somewhere else? Everything I read says "rudimentary support"

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 22 2020, @10:08PM (3 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 22 2020, @10:08PM (#1040536)

                I would guess that when GIMP builds-in CMYK functionality, that it will appear under "Image > Mode" and/or under "Image > Color Management."
                 
                My version of GIMP shipped with the GEGL plug-ins installed. One of those plug-ins has CMYK separation functionality ("Colors > Components > Extract Components").
                 
                Also, I just installed the G'MIC plug-in for GIMP, and among its zillions of filters there seem to be two that isolate CMYK into layers or into separate images. These G'MIC filters seem to have fine CMYK controls (https://natron-docs.readthedocs.io/en/latest/plugins/eu.gmic.MixerCMYK.html [readthedocs.io]). The standalone version of G'MIC probably just separates CMYK into separate files. CMYK layers can be edited separately in GIMP as grey scale images.
                 
                I have heard about folks using the "Separate" or "Separate+" plug-ins ("Image > Separate"), and some install the stand-alone "Cyan" program (https://sourceforge.net/projects/prepress/ [sourceforge.net]) which evidently puts its its own plug-in into GIMP.
                 
                ImageMagic (https://imagemagick.org/index.php [imagemagick.org])can also separate/convert images into CMYK.
                 
                As a pro photographer, I always use sRGB and send that file to the client/printer (printers want RGB files anyway), so I never touch CMYK. I don't have a fancy printer, nor do most using GIMP/Photoshop. Regardless, I don't know what the advantage is of working on a file in a CMYK space is over simply working on a file in an RGB space and just doing the separations afterward.

                • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday August 22 2020, @10:35PM (2 children)

                  by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday August 22 2020, @10:35PM (#1040540) Journal

                  I think the issue that the document has to be converted. I can't create a CMYK doc. Some people who read those fancy glossy magazines can see the difference

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                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 22 2020, @11:06PM (1 child)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday August 22 2020, @11:06PM (#1040548)

                    I think the issue that the document has to be converted. I can't create a CMYK doc.

                    If you need to convert "documents" to CMYK, you might better off using LibreOffice to output CMYK or use an open source desktop publishing app that can export to CMYK.

                    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday August 22 2020, @11:22PM

                      by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday August 22 2020, @11:22PM (#1040552) Journal

                      Actually it shouldn't matter. The camera shoots in RGB

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    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Saturday August 22 2020, @04:03PM

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Saturday August 22 2020, @04:03PM (#1040431) Journal

      Not sure how Firefox got to dominate the discussion. The immediate problem (and the article) is about Lightroom. Rich bastards are abusing their power. I tried to bring up a good deterrent to keep it from happening again, and in comes the saboteur...

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 21 2020, @11:11PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday August 21 2020, @11:11PM (#1040151)

    Right - put it into the public domain. Watch it wither and die, same as Firefox Internet Explorer.

    FTFY.

    Like most open source projects, Firefox has the opportunity to live long after its developers quit (if and when that comes) -- but not so for proprietary projects. Anyone who relies on a proprietary project that is shut down (and there have been plenty of them) is S.O.L.

    Additionally, Firefox will certainly be around for a long time in the form of it's many derivatives using its open source core. Speaking of Firefox, Firefox OS is still actively developed as KaiOS, with 100+ million users worldwide -- how is that for an OS that "withered and died."

    Open source still hasn't found the solution to paying developers on a consistent basis.

    You mean like how Red Hat/IBM, Microsoft, Oracle, etc. actively pay open source developers?

    Some folks develop open source products to make a living, and some develop open source products just to fill a need or for the principle of it. Some do it for all of those reasons.

    RMS was wrong. And look what it got him in the end.

    Thank the deities for RMS! We need more people like him to fight the good fight! The world would be decidedly worse if people like you had their way.

    By the way, what RMS's pure, staunch stand on open source and privacy "got him" was a lot of respect from important players in the industry. More importantly, it got him (and everyone else) the freedom to use more secure and more innovative software than closed source, software that is open for all to review and to contribute to.