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In June, IHME predicted that the death toll in the U.S. would reach 200,000 by October, which appears to be on track.
[...] IHME previously projected 317,697 deaths by Dec. 1. The model now predicts that the daily death toll could rise to nearly 3,000 per day in December, up from over 800 per day now, according to Hopkins data.
[...] The most likely [IHME] scenario estimates that Covid-19 will kill 410,450 people in the U.S. by Jan. 1. The worst-case scenario, which assumes that restrictions and mask directives will ease, projects up to 620,028 people in the U.S. will die by then and the best-case scenario, which assumes universal masking, predicts that 288,380 people in the U.S. will die from Covid-19 in 2020.
[...] Despite the drop in new cases, the number of deaths caused by Covid-19 everyday in the U.S. has remained high, at nearly 1,000 new deaths per day, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University.
[The 9/11 terrorist attacks caused 2,977 deaths; the current US COVID-19 fatality rate is like having two 9/11 attacks each week. --Ed.]
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2020, @07:37PM (17 children)
The China Virus is an act of war. The only rational response is to invade China and impose regime change.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2020, @07:43PM (1 child)
Some people did something.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2020, @07:48PM
Too many did nothing, apparently masks for a oandemic are the REAL fascism o.O
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2020, @08:16PM (1 child)
Then what will happen to the US manufacturing?
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Rosco P. Coltrane on Saturday September 05 2020, @10:39PM
Nothing. It's long gone to China.
(Score: 5, Touché) by pe1rxq on Saturday September 05 2020, @08:27PM (7 children)
What exactly do you propose? Kidnap the chinese regime and use them to replace the failing US one?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2020, @09:10PM (2 children)
Drain the swamp, Trump 2024!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2020, @09:46PM
> Drain the China swamp 2024
FTFY
(Score: 2) by driverless on Monday September 07 2020, @02:31AM
See this is why you need to preview before you click Submit, then you would have caught that typo and posted what you really meant:
(Score: 2) by Opportunist on Saturday September 05 2020, @10:44PM (3 children)
We get everything from China, might as well get the government from there.
If the rest of the crap we get from China is a lead, it's most likely gonna be much cheaper than the junk we made domestic and, let's be honest, the Chinese crap breaks down a lot, but that's not really a difference to what we got now either.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 06 2020, @03:17AM (1 child)
Our system is already broken so what's the difference.
(Score: 2) by Opportunist on Sunday September 06 2020, @04:03PM
Like I said, that it breaks easily and frequently ain't the difference, but it's probably heaps cheaper and we can simply throw it away and buy a new one when it does.
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Monday September 07 2020, @02:37AM
If the rest of the crap we get from China is a lead, it's most likely gonna be much cheaper than the junk we made domestic and, let's be honest, the Chinese crap breaks down a lot, but that's not really a difference to what we got now either.
People who complain about Chinese quality somehow forgot just how bad American manufacturing quality has been in the past. Do they not remember how utterly awful American-made cars were in the 70s and 80s? There's a reason Japanese cars became so popular, and it wasn't the price tag.
As far as I can tell, American-made stuff is only really great if it's some small-scale boutique item with a very high price tag. Anything mass-produced in this country has generally been of mediocre quality if not worse, and only got better when faced with overwhelming foreign competition (as in the case of the automakers) forced them to either get their quality and reliability out of the toilet or go under (and many manufacturers did go under).
Face it, America has never been famous for impeccable quality in manufacturing or fantastic engineering. The Japanese hold the reputation for highest quality, and the Germans have long been considered to have great engineering. The only field where I can honestly say America is really better than the rest of the world is software. Just look at mobile phones: they can't make them here (we just don't have the technology to manufacture them, particularly the screens), but the software on them mostly comes from the US (Google/Apple).
(Score: 5, Insightful) by SpockLogic on Sunday September 06 2020, @01:50AM (3 children)
No, it's the TRUMP VIRUS. Nearly 190,000 dead Americans on his watch with more to come.
Trump's inaction, Trump's incompetence, it's on him.
Vote TRUMP Vote DEATH ...
and it could be yours.
Overreacting is one thing, sticking your head up your ass hoping the problem goes away is another - edIII
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by HammeredGlass on Sunday September 06 2020, @12:47PM
You're really fucking stupid and completely blinded by partisan lies.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Grishnakh on Monday September 07 2020, @02:43AM
No, it's the TRUMP VIRUS. Nearly 190,000 dead Americans on his watch with more to come.
Trump's inaction, Trump's incompetence, it's on him.
No, actually, it's really not. It's on the American public.
The American public voted for him. Even after his leadership has been shown to be utterly incompetent, they still came out in droves to support him in parades and protests. Now that we have 193,000 dead, go drive around some of the hotspots like Michigan, Florida, etc., and see how many people refuse to wear masks or practice social distancing. Trump is not the problem, he's just a symptom of it. The problem is a cancer within the American people and American society. And there's nothing that can really be done about it, because it's metastasized: half the country still thinks Trump is great, or is following the new QAnon religion. When different parts of the country don't even agree on what reality is, things are just too far gone, and the end result is going to be some kind of disaster.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 07 2020, @09:31PM
bullshit number, dumbass
(Score: 2) by Joe Desertrat on Monday September 07 2020, @10:22PM
Don't be ridiculous. They don't have enough oil of their own to make it worthwhile.
(Score: 4, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2020, @07:39PM (3 children)
Are they demanding decent healthcare and livable wages?
Call the Trump Exterminators!
We'll get them all!
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Opportunist on Saturday September 05 2020, @10:41PM (2 children)
Killing them? Are you daft? Dead peasant drive the cost of them up, doesn't supply and demand mean anything to you?
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2020, @11:47PM (1 child)
In the global economy the fat cats just outsource to the next source of cheap peasants when the current pool of labor gets tired of being shit on.
(Score: 2) by Opportunist on Sunday September 06 2020, @04:01PM
Oh c'mon, where's the fun in belittling some foreigner who is happy to lick my boots and doesn't even understand when I put him in his place?
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2020, @07:45PM (16 children)
Not sure if I can stomach much more of the fact denying idiocy the alt right loves to spew here, and this story is sure to bring them out.
Still no apologies for saying it was a hoax, masks are dumb, social distancing is for scaredy cats, etc. It is bad for my mental health to try and push back against the stupids.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2020, @07:50PM (6 children)
Your pants are on fire. Why is that?
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2020, @09:26PM (5 children)
‘He’s Just A Horrible Person’: Fred Rogers’ Widow Criticizes President Donald Trump [cbslocal.com]
Mister Rogers's widow on Trump: 'I think he's just a horrible person' [thehill.com]
Trump Is in Mr. Rogers’ Neighborhood, and Fred’s Widow Is None Too Happy [msn.com]
ICFI/Socialist Equality Party (Kishore/Santa Cruz 2020):
New pandemic projections place US death toll at over 400,000 by end of the year [wsws.org]
Trump campaign enlists army of poll-watchers to intimidate Democratic voters [wsws.org]
Management seeks to impose gag order on US postal workers [wsws.org]
ISA/Socialist Alternative USA (Hawkins/Walker 2020):
The History of Policing in the U.S. [socialistalternative.org]
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2020, @09:47PM (1 child)
It smells like spam. It looks like spam. I'm not going to taste it tho.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2020, @09:56PM
k
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2020, @10:16PM (2 children)
https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/vote-joe-biden-200904085631525.html [aljazeera.com]
(Score: 3, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Sunday September 06 2020, @04:52AM (1 child)
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 06 2020, @06:18AM
They call me Mr. Pibb!
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2020, @09:02PM (2 children)
So, I gather that you are tired of "winning" now. So am I.
(Score: 5, Informative) by anubi on Sunday September 06 2020, @01:04AM (1 child)
Oh, how I understand.
I have 40 years engineering experience.
Working in aerospace.
And am made subordinate to the Summer MBA.
Who has no idea of what I have learned about getting the job done. A lot of which is dependent on tools that have taken me decades, and close association wi the author of those tools, to master.
All gone when the MBA deprives me from using these tools, ranks me for having a "bad attitude", when he does so, then the MBA uses that as a justification for termination.
Been there, done that, just give me my welfare check.
Actually innovating and building stuff was fun while it lasted, but times have changed. That's China's job now. We do not do that anymore.
As a nation, we have outgrown our need to be self sufficient, and only need to maintain a military sufficient to deal with nations that can't pay
their debts.
We have become a nation of bankers, of merchants, parasitic to everyone else on this planet.
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." [KJV: I Thessalonians 5:21]
(Score: 4, Insightful) by bzipitidoo on Sunday September 06 2020, @02:32AM
Similar experience here. Worked as a defense contractor. Had to deal with military types who are wont to think any obstacle can be overcome if you just put in enough effort. Tell them something can't be done, and they'll accuse you of being lazy or unwilling. Are you a quitter? A wimp? You could do it if you really wanted to, because you're a super genius. Why don't you want to do it? Why do you hate America? That guy over there says his company can do it. If you won't do it, we'll fire you and hire them.
The last defense project I was on was a total train wreck. It ended my brief career as a defense contractor, as if I had been an officer on a ship that suffered a collision. Not that I tried very hard to find other work in that business. Industry is of course too often just a different flavor of dysfunction.
(Score: 1) by HammeredGlass on Sunday September 06 2020, @12:52PM (5 children)
Masks are dumb: https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/04/commentary-masks-all-covid-19-not-based-sound-data [umn.edu]
Social distancing is for scaredy cats: https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-case-against-covid-tests-for-the-young-and-healthy-11599151722 [wsj.com]
"Sweden was the only major Western country that kept schools open for kids 15 and younger throughout the pandemic, with no masks or mass testing. How did it turn out? Zero Covid-19 deaths among 1.8 million children attending day care or school. Teachers didn’t have an excess infection risk compared with the average of other professions."
"Israeli schools reopened in May, leading to a few outbreaks. But no child was hospitalized or died. An analysis of cellphone mobility data shows that in the weeks leading up to the school opening, Israel had all but returned to prepandemic activity. The Israeli school outbreak was more likely due to community transmission rather than opening classrooms."
authors of that article--> Dr. Bhattacharya, a physician and economist, is a professor at Stanford Medical School. Mr. Kulldorff, a biostatistician, is a professor at Harvard Medical School.
(Score: 2) by Mykl on Monday September 07 2020, @02:12AM (4 children)
Nice cherry-picking.
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Monday September 07 2020, @02:48AM
What's more, Sweden has one of the highest death rates in Europe, worse when considering it doesn't have so many old people like Italy. The US only exceeded Sweden's death rate within the last week.
It's really weird how people like the GP keep harping about the death rates of schoolkids being so low. No shit, sherlock. Everyone knows Covid mortality for young people is very low. Do these idiots think that all these kids are in boarding schools or something, and that they never see older family members?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 07 2020, @05:04AM (2 children)
Yeah, I may have heard of the great Swedish grandparent die-off, they've all gone extinct.
Actually I didn't. About 6000 people overall have died from Covid according to their count. You probably could fit them in a small community park for an idea of scale.
(Score: 2) by Mykl on Monday September 07 2020, @05:44AM
Sweden's death rate is the 8th highest in the world by population [statista.com], yet their population density of 25 people per square kilometre is 198th in the world [wikipedia.org].
For such a low density population to be 8th highest in deaths should tell you just how badly their current strategy is performing.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 07 2020, @07:13AM
Your absolute statistics is absolutely awe inspiring - where can I subscribe to your newsletter comrade?
(Score: 5, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Saturday September 05 2020, @07:45PM (6 children)
What the leadership is implicitly doing, but smart enough to not say, is weighing the quality of those lives vs the quantity.
2,977 Wall Street employees in a national symbol of wealth and prosperity - probably worth more to the leadership than 297,700 elderly, infirm, comorbidly diseased, and otherwise distasteful people housed in retirement villages, long term care facilities, etc. I mean: how gauche of anyone to even bring up the fact that such a large part of the U.S. population lives so precariously in such sad circumstances. /s
Україна досі не є частиною Росії Слава Україні🌻 https://news.stanford.edu/2023/02/17/will-russia-ukraine-war-end
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2020, @09:03PM (4 children)
Only 100:1?
From https://www.epi.org/publication/ceo-compensation-2018/ [epi.org]
> ... CEO compensation is very high relative to typical worker compensation (by a ratio of 278-to-1 or 221-to-1).
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Saturday September 05 2020, @11:08PM (3 children)
Nursing home residents do vote...
Україна досі не є частиною Росії Слава Україні🌻 https://news.stanford.edu/2023/02/17/will-russia-ukraine-war-end
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 06 2020, @12:53AM
Do they? I am an elections official, and I pick up the district materials at the county nursing home. Once as I was leaving, I had a group of inmates ask me if they could get information on voting absentee. I got the feeling that it was up to the nursing staff's inclination whether someone got to vote or not.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 06 2020, @03:14AM (1 child)
> Nursing home residents do vote...
Not if the Republicans can suppress their vote by sabotaging the postal system so their mail-in votes are not counted.
The Republicans have decided that the more people who vote, the lower the chances of Republican wins, and so are going all in on suppressing the vote-- and not just trying to disenfranchise people with "ethnic" sounding names as is their usual strategy.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 06 2020, @03:53PM
Nice try George Soros! Stand aside, the President is making America Great.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2020, @09:50PM
If people choose to live in poverty doing menial work, then who are we to stop them? It's incredibly presumptuous to devalue and criticize the poverty of others.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2020, @08:02PM (25 children)
There are too many people, burning too much energy, contributing to man made global warming. This pandemic will reduce the number of humans polluting the earth, therefore the pandemic is a Good Thing™. Let the bodies fall where they may.
I am Saint Greta, and I approve of this message.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2020, @08:22PM (18 children)
The pandemic will probably increase emissions somehow. The lockdowns will end but everyone will be ordering junk online.
Meanwhile, it has killed only 0.01% of the global population. Mother Gaia loses yet again.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2020, @08:27PM (16 children)
Mother Gaia is in conference with the Voodoo witches of the South, and the Druids of the North. Covid-19 is but Mother Gaia's opening salvo in the war against wasteful humanity.
I am Saint Greta, and I approve of this message.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2020, @09:41PM
When will you call for Entmoot?
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday September 05 2020, @10:55PM (14 children)
No, you're a triggered, stupid, cowardly little manlet who's losing a fight to a teenage girl on the other side of the planet. Face it, Thunberg is not only correct, she's a better person than you are or ever will be. Attempting to strawman her positions makes you look worse than just foolish: it makes you look creepy, like a paedophile in violent and completely ineffective denial of his own tendencies...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 06 2020, @04:56AM (4 children)
Ahhhh, Zum-Zum weighs in. She is always triggered with any mention of the Great Saint Greta. Does Zum-Zum have the hots for the Viking babe? Wouldn't that be akin to pedophilia?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 06 2020, @05:58AM
Kinda like how you're triggered by the topic of trans people.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday September 06 2020, @04:59PM (2 children)
I have a permanent philosophical yearning for the truth. Greta is speaking more of the truth than her opponents. She is also uniquely vulnerable to dangerous opposition due to being female and underage. Therefore, she gets a bit more defense from me than she would if she were, for example, in her mid-30s.
The fact that all you can think of is "hurr hurr Hazuki's defending Greta she must be hot for her" speaks very badly of your position and your arguments, such as they are. You would have done better to stay silent.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 07 2020, @01:00AM (1 child)
If I understand you correctly, "We bitches got to stick together!!"
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday September 07 2020, @03:12AM
You do not understand me correctly. And I suspect you are physically incapable of doing so.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 06 2020, @03:50PM (8 children)
How does juvenile verbal diarrhea like this get moderated to +4 insightful? Does this user have sockpuppet accounts? I was hoping SN was a better /. in terms of the quality of discussion, but the comments on this story and the moderation to this point are a train wreck.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 06 2020, @03:55PM (1 child)
Saint Greta's worshippers are very touchy about people contradicting Her Holy Message.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 06 2020, @05:07PM
What's up with all the Saint Greta shit? Ever since the impeachment, she's been off the news cycle. Since Sweden stayed open, maybe she got to finish school.
(Score: 3, Touché) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday September 06 2020, @04:57PM
Honey, I don;t sockpuppet. I don't *need to.* If you're wondering how that got to +4 Insightful, here's a clue: *enough members of the community thought it was insightful enough to deserve that moderation.*
If you don't like it, your problem is with the entire community, not just me. You can always leave :)
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 06 2020, @06:53PM (4 children)
Unlikely. If your post is abusive to people that express conservative viewpoints, there are enough people here that will mod it up to the max.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 06 2020, @08:08PM
Awww, so conservatives being abusive shits is fine, but someone calling you out for it is a bitch? I'll let you try and logic that one out for yourself.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday September 07 2020, @03:14AM (2 children)
"Conservative viewpoints" are much more often at odds with observable, testable reality than "liberal" ones. In other words, they are lies. I don't like lies. Expect abuse if you lie to me.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 07 2020, @03:22PM (1 child)
So the liberal view of the riots burning down democrat cities being peaceful fits your observable, testable reality huh? What a disingenuous little c-nt you are. Be on notice that vast the majority of us are on to you. If this war goes hot, progressives/socialists/communists like you will become quite uncomfortable.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday September 08 2020, @05:49PM
Just explain one thing to me: are you made of asbestos? Because I can't understand how the massive towering bonfire of strawmen you're built and lit hasn't consumed you utterly by now otherwise.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Monday September 07 2020, @02:51AM
Huh? Emissions are decreased when everyone buys their junk online. It takes far less fuel for one UPS driver to drive his truck around all day and deliver hundreds of packages than for every recipient of those packages to make a separate trip in their car to go shopping for it.
The pandemic has actually been a boon for nature and the planet, by massively reducing automobile traffic for a while.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2020, @08:55PM (3 children)
Done and done. Let's start with you.
(Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Sunday September 06 2020, @01:53AM (2 children)
Of course, I also wear a mask, wash my hands, and do about 4 metres distancing or more when possible, because the whole 2 metres rule was based on 15 minutes and the flu. Not hours at a time and covid. I have no problem with the anti-mask gang self-selecting to be the next to die, and thank them for their sacrifice.
SoylentNews is social media. Says so right in the slogan. Soylentnews is people, not tech.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 06 2020, @07:18PM (1 child)
Unfortunately they are like drunk drivers and they take out the innocent along the way.
(Score: 2) by barbara hudson on Monday September 07 2020, @01:15AM
They (anti-mask crowds) tend to stick with their own kind. Which is fine with me, it's their funeral.
Licking toilets to "show that covid is a hoax" folks pretty much says it all.
SoylentNews is social media. Says so right in the slogan. Soylentnews is people, not tech.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2020, @09:33PM
I don't understand, Saint Greta. Why is Trump your best ally in this Malthusian pursuit? The Republican Party values human life so highly they are prepared to force women to undergo involuntary pregnancy and childbirth. Why is a Republican president carrying out the globalist UN conspiracy to kill all those babies?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2020, @11:31PM
Hello Ivan. Or is it Sergei? Or are you Igor? I'm ashamed to admit I haven't learned the distinct nuances of your individual propaganda styles. How are the conditions in your troll farm? Is Vlad Putin giving you guys the appropriate PPE and encouraging social distancing when you're working in the troll farm? Did Vlad prioritize troll farms in his COVID-19 vaccine campaign? If so, how's that going for you? I hope there haven't been any severe side effects from the vaccine that hasn't been fully tested.
(Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2020, @08:49PM (21 children)
At 410k deaths, the count would have to more than double from the current official figures, that would be about 1100 qualifying deaths per day.
According to the CDC (https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm), 2300 people die of heart disease per day.
So work on a cure, but let us get the fuck back to work.
(Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2020, @09:15PM
The overwhelming vast majority of us never stopped working. Now off to Ark-B with you. You have an urgent meeting with the sun.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2020, @09:18PM (14 children)
Indeed. The first year of my life was under Martial Law. I don't remember it, and I don't know if it affected me. My son is turing 11 months in a few days. I hope this has not affected him, but it sure as fuck affected me and my extended family.
My brother and his wife are now seperated, and he is living with me and my wife. My wife works in operations for an insurance company, needless to say she has been working extra long days for months now. My in-laws live in a senior housing, so their whole building is closed to visitors. My wife and I have not had a break from the kids since this started. I can only imagine what other families are going through.
Fuck China!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2020, @09:53PM (1 child)
Boring start but strong finish +1 would read again
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Sunday September 06 2020, @10:09PM
Meh. I thought it was whiney. Imagine needing a break from your own children.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2020, @09:55PM (1 child)
Where were you under Marital Law in the first year of your life? What are you talking about? And who cares about your wife's job and that your looser brother is living with you? What are you trying to say, AC?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 07 2020, @01:05AM
I don't think it matters very much whether he was under martial law for his first year on earth. As an infant, martial law had zero meaning to him. Mom, Dad, and other caretakers may have been inconvenienced in some way by martial law, but the infant was obviously fed and cared for, despite martial law.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2020, @10:10PM (9 children)
China may have been the source, but your troubles are being caused by your state and local chiefs. They have asserted they have full power to shut down life in their jurisdictions, and Trump can't tell them anything.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 06 2020, @04:36AM (8 children)
And they are right. All the complaints about Trump are a distraction from the fact that it is a State responsibility. Trump has no authority to order lock-downs or re-openings. As much as anyone does have that authority it is State Governors / State Legislatures.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 06 2020, @04:48AM (3 children)
One lever of control could have been federal control over interstate commerce, but Trump decided not to push that angle.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 06 2020, @06:24AM (2 children)
Oh, yes, let's abuse the Commerce Clause some more. Unlimited power for Emperor Trump sounds great.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 06 2020, @09:44AM
Compared to the governors abusing their Enabling Laws to ignore the legislature, Trump's abuse may have been better.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 08 2020, @03:15PM
This might actually be a good time to do just that. In the current climate of Orange Man Bad the SCOTUS are more likely to reject such an argument than they have been for a long time. Precedent setting decisions that limit the commerce clause are a good thing.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 06 2020, @08:16AM (3 children)
Then why did Trump claim he had the authority to force governors to reopen churches [nbcnews.com]?
Even if Trump has no legal authority to force states to act in a particular way, he has the ability to provide leadership and guidance to coordinate responses between states. He has the ability to distribute federal resources to states to they have the necessary resources to respond to crises. Trump failed miserably on both counts.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 06 2020, @09:41AM (2 children)
Because religious freedom is covered by the first amendment to the constitution, the highest level of protection something can get, defined at federal level and extended to the states?
The democrat governors wanted to torpedo his reelection; IMO he underplayed his hand back in April when the governors told him to fuck off and was missing in action for two months. The governors pressed on and gave their blessings to the riots, and Trump came back on a law and order platform.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 06 2020, @03:57PM (1 child)
It's almost as if he has no plan and is reacting to whatever he happens to see on TV that day.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 07 2020, @12:19AM
Just wait 'til Shark Week!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2020, @11:06PM (2 children)
The IHME projection increases over 2,300 per day on November 14 and stays above that through the end of the year. It means that COVID-19 will be the leading cause of death in the US at that point. Moreover, your "let us get the fuck back to work" is actually closer to the mandates easing scenario, which crosses the 2,300 deaths per day level on November 6 and is around 12,000 deaths per day on January 1 -- over five times the daily deaths from heart disease.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2020, @11:32PM (1 child)
Yeah but do the models include the warming effect of the Sun. Hmm?
Waitt... sorry wrong thread.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 06 2020, @08:12PM
Climate change models do include the Sun yes. That is the very basis of "greenhouse effect" and that calculation relies on the luminosity of the Sun.
There you go little troll, hope that feeds you for a while.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Saturday September 05 2020, @11:41PM
IIUC, that 401,000 is an estimate, and is estimating a lot of people who haven't officially been called "deaths caused by COVID-19", even though that was the proximal cause. To an extent this is reasonable, as if you don't test, many deaths caused by COVID look like any other pneumonia. And it's also a high-balled estimate...reasonable, but assuming minimal mitigation.
Considering the push to get back to school and open businesses, it's probably not an unreasonable estimate, but it's certainly not the only way things could go.
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(Score: 2) by Opportunist on Sunday September 06 2020, @04:06PM
If 9000 fewer people die, there's a great 401k joke in the making.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2020, @09:41PM (4 children)
It *has* to be an act of war by the Chinese. The US people just can't believe that their government has totally failed to manage the pandemic.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2020, @09:53PM
The pseudoscience behind the right-wing drive to force schools to open [wsws.org] - part two [wsws.org]
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2020, @09:56PM
It *has* to be an act of war by the Chinese because we have a lot of guns.
The old hammer and nail situation. So many naily looking geopolitical problems that need a few loving taps with the solution hammer.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 05 2020, @11:51PM (1 child)
Some places tried to shutdown and shelter at home but there was massive pushback.
Apparently people just had to work to pay bills. Who knew- I mean couldn’t they just live off their trust funds for a while?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 06 2020, @12:43AM
What region are you talking about?
In the northeast US, the upper middle class gets to "work from home", paid for to some extent with government support to the employers.
The lower middle class, provided they work for privileged industries, can work if they wear a mask all day and someone can watch the kids. If not, maybe the supplemental unemployment payments (which have AFAIK expired) helped them.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Opportunist on Saturday September 05 2020, @10:39PM
That's pretty much the "normal" scenario. 190,000 are dead, 120 days to go, 1,000 dying every day.
This scenario is what's to be expected. Provided people don't use Thanksgiving as a virus swapping party.
In other words, no. It's gonna be more. Much more.