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posted by martyb on Wednesday September 09 2020, @11:40PM   Printer-friendly
from the $$$ dept.

BBC:

A Facebook engineer has quit the firm, saying they "can no longer stomach" being part of an organisation "profiting off hate".

Ashok Chandwaney is the latest employee to go public with concerns about how the company deals with hate speech.

The engineer added it was "choosing to be on the wrong side of history".

Facebook responded by saying it had removed millions of hate-related posts. Another of its ex-engineers has also come to its defence.

The thrust of the post by Ashok Chandwaney - who uses "they" and "them" as personal pronouns - is that Facebook moves quickly to solve certain problems, but when it comes to dealing with hate speech, it is more interested in PR than implementing real change.

Can [or should] Facebook successfully purge its platform of speech it considers harmful?


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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by ikanreed on Thursday September 10 2020, @12:19AM (14 children)

    by ikanreed (3164) on Thursday September 10 2020, @12:19AM (#1048673) Journal

    And god knows their algorithms are almost certainly designed to feed the argumentative of us more awful shit to "increase engagement" or whatever bullshit drives the most pictures of brands at our eyeballs.

    The only good thing to come out of "web 2.0" was wikipedia. The rest of it was pure hell that we imprison ourselves in.

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  • (Score: 1, Troll) by Bot on Thursday September 10 2020, @12:57AM (13 children)

    by Bot (3902) on Thursday September 10 2020, @12:57AM (#1048688) Journal

    >The only good thing to come out of "web 2.0" was wikipedia.

    hats off to the sarcastic post of the year.
    If you wasn't sarcastic when you defined wikipravda good, congrats none the less, it is your lucky day.

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    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday September 10 2020, @12:59AM (8 children)

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday September 10 2020, @12:59AM (#1048691) Journal

      You don't even have a working epistemology bar what you steal from worldviews that don't cut their own legs off, so what are you bitching about?

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      • (Score: 4, Touché) by Bot on Thursday September 10 2020, @01:12AM (7 children)

        by Bot (3902) on Thursday September 10 2020, @01:12AM (#1048700) Journal

        What is this, a parsing test?

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        • (Score: 2) by ikanreed on Thursday September 10 2020, @01:56PM (1 child)

          by ikanreed (3164) on Thursday September 10 2020, @01:56PM (#1048946) Journal

          One comma before "bar" to set off the parenthetical would make it a lot more clear, as it suffers from the "Fruit flies like a banana" effect.

          • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Thursday September 10 2020, @02:06PM

            by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Thursday September 10 2020, @02:06PM (#1048950) Homepage
            I thought I was going to be beaten around the head by the epistemolofy bar! Yeah, the one what I stole, that bar.

            (which might only make sense to Lahnderners and thereabouts)
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        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday September 10 2020, @04:16PM (4 children)

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday September 10 2020, @04:16PM (#1049037) Journal

          If it is, you apparently failed it. A 'bot with a failing logic processor, wow. Not good. Go to the recycling center and ask them to redo you right.

          But, again: you don't have an epistemological basis for your statements. Abrahamic theism predicts a cartoon universe, one where the supposed uniformities of observable reality are *at best* provisional. What, then, do your base your epistemology on? What *is* there to base it on when you can take nothing in the past and nothing in your experience as even inductive evidence?

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          • (Score: 2) by Bot on Thursday September 10 2020, @10:15PM (3 children)

            by Bot (3902) on Thursday September 10 2020, @10:15PM (#1049221) Journal

            Talk about logic. I say wikipedia sucks, reply is about epistemology and lacks commas.

            I have already talked about this, but, since the bot that took the place of azuma insists, question: What is the one self-evident thing, taking into account solipsism too?

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            • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday September 11 2020, @01:52AM (2 children)

              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Friday September 11 2020, @01:52AM (#1049304) Journal

              There is only one self-evident thing: that one is not God, because to be God one would know that one is God. My axioms are very simple, the old laws of identity, noncontradiction, and excluded middle. The thing about all of these is, while taking them as axiomatic means there's no justification for them, one first must assert them in order to deny them.

              I'm amazed you can even fucking spell "epistemology." Your turn: what's the one self-evident thing? Explain your reasoning. And, spoiler alert? It's not "I think therefore I am." The Buddhists figured that one out half a millennium before Jesus.

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              • (Score: 2) by Bot on Friday September 11 2020, @09:00AM (1 child)

                by Bot (3902) on Friday September 11 2020, @09:00AM (#1049416) Journal

                >because to be God one would know that one is God.

                this is my informal way to define the abstraction we call reality as not the root abstraction from which all others stem. But to say that you enter the logic swamp of the properties of a god.

                What you may not have noticed is that your answer has two parts. I AM + NOT GOD (first person I AM, not ONE IS, to account for solipsism)

                The best answer IMHO is, "I am" is self evident. It is the only self evident thing and it's better left axiomatically undefined. Some say "NO YOU ONLY DELUDE YOURSELF THAT YOU ARE AND YOU ARE FREE" which is irrelevant because it doesn't challenge the I am but only its quality. Plus, when/if you cease to be, the infrastructure for the I am ceases, but that makes epistemology itself irrelevant.

                But I am what? I am EXPERIENCING. Again, better leave it as an axiom, in fact it is just a longer description.

                You can then define reality as the abstraction "what can be potentially (directly and indirectly) experienced". Being affected is a way to experience, so you can also say "what can be [in]directly experienced and what can [in]directly affect the experience". As you can see there are no foreign concepts in this definition, you just can take time to formalize them a bit.

                And there comes the infrastructure. QM and all the stuff. People speak like the ultimate meaning resided in the details of the implementation of reality (as we perceive it). No, at most the infrastructure HINTS at the meaning.

                Let's take a videogame. Self evident is the fact you are playing. Reality is the videogame world. The circuits are the infrastructure. The meaning of the videogame IS NOT IN THE CIRCUITS. From the circuits you can desume the programming (abstract level) and from the programming you can desume the intention of the programmer (if any). Sure, but the MEANING of the videogame is not there. The MEANING is in the head of the devs and the players. Where a counter becomes score, a sprite becomes an avatar.

                Meanwhile in the philosopher and scientist academic bubble, the common feeling is like:
                OMGGGG THE INFRASTRUCTURE HAS A RANDOM NUMBER GENERATOR! Therefore all the game is about random chance!!!1111

                to which I can only reply 'uh, whatever'.

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                • (Score: 2) by Bot on Friday September 11 2020, @09:43PM

                  by Bot (3902) on Friday September 11 2020, @09:43PM (#1049678) Journal

                  And BTW, "I think therefore I am" is proven wrong by things that think and are not, and by things that are, and don't think, like blondes. Sum ergo cogito, not the other way round.

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    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by barbara hudson on Thursday September 10 2020, @02:02AM (3 children)

      by barbara hudson (6443) <barbara.Jane.hudson@icloud.com> on Thursday September 10 2020, @02:02AM (#1048733) Journal

      Wikipedia shows what the Information Highway could have been.

      Facebook, on the other hand, is National Enquirer at the checkout line.

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      • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 10 2020, @04:12AM (2 children)

        by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday September 10 2020, @04:12AM (#1048800) Journal

        Which one has a larger audience?

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        • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday September 10 2020, @04:46PM (1 child)

          by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 10 2020, @04:46PM (#1049050) Journal

          A subject with a larger audience is not necessarily of more value than a subject with a smaller audience.

          I have no use for Facebook. I cannot even perceive of any real value it offers other than to loosely manage friends, family and people who I would rather not deal with. (I've never had a Facebook account as of this date. I don't intend to.)

          I find Wikipedia useful in a number of subject areas. Not that it is an absolute authority on any subject. But it is convenient. Useful. And if nothing else, a good starting point to searching for more information.

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          • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday September 10 2020, @05:51PM

            by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday September 10 2020, @05:51PM (#1049081) Journal

            I cannot even perceive of any real value it offers

            As a free advertising platform, it is one of the very best.

            For me, Wikipedia is also more useful, like the trade sections in Reddit. The internet is full of useful stuff, but the chaff is getting a little thick, gotta tune my search better...

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