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AMD Zen 3, Ryzen 4000 Release Date, Specifications, Performance, All We Know:
Aside from an AMD presentation about the Zen 3 architecture that was accidentally posted to YouTube, the company hasn't publicly shared specifics about the design. However, the company has shared plenty of information about Zen 3's schedule, and a string of leaks has shed further light on the soon-to-be-released architecture. And we'll learn the first in-depth details of the new Zen 3 chips on 10/8/2020 at 10am PT.
[...] AMD Zen 3, Ryzen 4000 At A Glance
- TSMC N7P or N7+ process
- 32+ MB of unified L3 cache
- Multi-Chip Module (MCM) design
- Up to 64 cores for data center chips
- AMD will announce details about Zen 3 and Ryzen 4000 on 10/8/2020
- First client (desktop and/or laptop) chips arrive in late 2020
- EPYC Milan data center chips arrive in late 2020
- Full desktop, laptop and server Zen 3 lineups in market by the end of 2021
- Pricing is the wild card, but AMD has increased pricing with recent launches
[...] AMD has consistently swatted away rumors that its Zen 3 chips are delayed and has clarified that its chips wouldn't use TSMC's 5nm process. AMD has long maintained that it's Zen 3 chips would come to market this year, which makes sense given the Zen 3 EPYC Milan data center chips on the roadmap. The company later clarified that Zen 3 "client" chips would also come to market this year. That's an important distinction, with the term "client" signifying that we'll see chips for regular consumers this year, too.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by bzipitidoo on Monday September 14 2020, @07:32PM (3 children)
Cool. Maybe I'll finally be able to get a decent Ryzen powered computer for lots less than $500. Every AMD PC I've seen in the $200 and under range is still freaking Bulldozer.
I find it weird that such old tech is still being offered new. Piledriver is 8 years old, for crying out loud! I don't recall that 8086 based PCs were still being sold in the early 1990s, when the 486 was the leading edge with the Pentium in the works. Nor do I recall Pentium IIs being offered 8 years after introduction-- 6 years was their run. Maybe it's another sign that Moore's Law is wobbling.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Monday September 14 2020, @08:14PM (1 child)
What expectations do you have in that price range? Are you counting refurbs? Reusing parts?
Technically, Ryzen does get that cheap. Ryzen 3 3200U systems sometimes dip below $200, for instance. But you get into situations where another $50-$100 might double performance.
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(Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Monday September 14 2020, @10:07PM
Cheap computers too often have some bad problems. Like that $100 Asus TS10 stick computer that overheats. because, as you mentioned, they gave it a plastic case instead of an aluminum one. Can't play videos, can't use the 3D accelerated graphics. For another one, do you remember WinModems?
I have a cheap NuVision tablet computer that cannot update its Windows 10 installation. I checked that the CPU was x64, thinking I'd just upgrade the 32bit Windows it came with to 64bit. Nope! NuVision does not provide 64bit device drivers. 64bit Windows can't use 32bit drivers. Heck, NuVision doesn't even host the 32bit drivers it came with! MS Windows doesn't have drivers for it. So it's stuck on 32bit Windows 10 1803. It still automatically tries to update, and it always fails because it can't find drivers. There is a way to save and reuse the existing drivers, but that's way too much to expect an end user to manage.
There's another reason that tablet was under $200. Seems MS will license Windows for far less money if the device has no more than 30G storage. Well, 32bit Windows 10 eats up about 18G. The crapware it came with eats up half the remaining free space. 6G doesn't go far these days. Insist on at least 64G of storage, and the price shoots way up.
So that's the first thing I want. No gotchas that severely limit the usability. No "cripplehardware". If $50 more can double the performance, then the original is cripplehardware. I find 3G RAM is a little low, needs to be at least 4G. Only 6G free storage space is ridiculous. And no, an SD card is a poor substitute for a bigger SSD or HDD.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 15 2020, @02:23AM
But they were selling cheap 8086 (yes actual 8086!) battery powered notebooks with dos and like 40x20 character screens in the early 1990s. In fact the only thing that killed them off was the lack of I/O for getting files to/from them, and the lack of storage at that time that could fit in the formfactor (keep in mind flash in larger than bios sizes was still 5-7 years away, and hard disks never got smaller than compact flash size and even those never sold because of price, heat, and reliability issues.
The one perk of USB was in killing a lot of the properietary dongles that made the 70s-90s so terrible, and made it easier to add new device capabilities to old hardware, even if slowly and cumbersomely.
While I have people talking about the good old days: Has anyone here read 'California Computer News' and if anyone has old issues or knows of a place that has been archiving them, not unlike byte magazine, please link!