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A 48,000 years old tooth that belonged to one of the last Neanderthals in Northern Italy:
A milk-tooth found in the vicinity of "Riparo del Broion" on the Berici Hills in the Veneto region bears evidence of one of the last Neanderthals in Italy. This small canine tooth belonged to a child between 11 and 12 that had lived in that area around 48,000 years ago. This is the most recent Neanderthal finding in Northern Italy.
[...] The genetic analysis reveals that the owner of the tooth found in Veneto was a relative, on their mother's side, of Neanderthals that had lived in Belgium. This makes this site in Veneto a key-area for comprehending the gradual extinction of Neanderthals in Europe.
"This small tooth is extremely important", according to Stefano Benazzi, professor at the University of Bologna and research coordinator. "This is even more relevant if we consider that, when this child who lived in Veneto lost their tooth, Homo Sapiens communities were already present a thousand kilometres away in Bulgaria".
[...] "The techniques we employed to analyse the tooth led to the following discovery: this is an upper canine milk-tooth that belonged to a Neanderthal child, aged 11 or 12, that lived between 48,000 and 45,000 years ago", as report Gregorio Oxilia and Eugenio Bortolini, who are co-authors of the study and researchers at the University of Bologna. "According to this dating, this little milk-tooth is the most recent finding of the Neanderthal period in Northern Italy and one of the latest in the entire peninsula".
Journal Reference:
Matteo Romandini, Gregorio Oxilia, Eugenio Bortolini, et al. A late Neanderthal tooth from northeastern Italy, Journal of Human Evolution (DOI: 10.1016/j.jhevol.2020.102867)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 22 2020, @05:55PM (14 children)
Have they done full genetic sequencing on any of these Neanderthal dna relics?
And if so: Do we have enough knowledge of their DNA to synthesize an embryo so we could raise one from scratch to find out how they actually compare to Homo Sapiens?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 22 2020, @06:00PM (10 children)
We already know that they were less aggressive than today's hom-saps.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 22 2020, @06:14PM (9 children)
And Neanderthal women were hot as hell!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 22 2020, @06:42PM (8 children)
No, we don't know that. We only know that neanderthal women couldn't always outrun the horny pale faced hom-saps.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 22 2020, @08:06PM (7 children)
Early homo sapiens were not "pale faced", they were black. Just like africans today. In fact, modern "pure-bred" africans are very close to what the first homo sapiens must have looked like.
All other human "races" (caucasian, asian, etc) came after humans started migrating out of Africa to other parts of the world. Africans are the original human beings.
(Score: 3, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday September 22 2020, @08:20PM (2 children)
Title of article,
So, uhhhh, question. Which part of Africa is Northern Italy in? Derpa derpa!!
TBH, I don't know how dark or pale the Neanderthal were. Nor do I know how dark or pale these European homo sapients were, 48,000 years ago. It's very possible that the Neantherthal were whiter than the homo sapients. But, no matter how dark, or how pale, neither the Neanderthal nor the Homo Sapiens in the region were still "African".
Now, how about you? Are you a pale-faced snowflake, or are you a darker-skinned snowflake?
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 22 2020, @08:41PM
As far as I know current theory (supported by modern genetic analysis) is that humans migrated out of Africa in multiple waves. Neanderthals are according to this theory descendants of Homo Erectus who left Africa about 600K years ago (a very rough estimate). Modern humans (Homo Sapiens) are descendants of Homo Erectus who stayed in Africa, then left about 120K years ago but did probably not reach western Europe until about 50K years ago. Neanderthals probably died out about 40K years.
Skin color of Neanderthals is somewhat unclear [1]. There are signs that Neanderthals and modern humans mixed for a bit, leading to some percentage of "Neanderthal" genes in modern humans outside of Africa [2]. Bottom line, the "lighter" skin tones indeed developed after migrating out of Africa, and might as well have developed multiple times independently.
[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal#Hair_and_skin_colour [wikipedia.org]
[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interbreeding_between_archaic_and_modern_humans [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 22 2020, @08:58PM
Are you a pale-faced troll, or are you a darker-skinned troll ?
Gosh, you really can't help yourself being an autistic, socially inept, ill-bred, foul-mouthed, incel jerk, can you ? Do you fucking basement-dwelling trolls actually have a life ?
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Tuesday September 22 2020, @08:55PM (2 children)
"Pure-bred" Africans are very diverse. Most of the genetic diversity within humanity is confined within the African continent. So you can't say "what they looked like", because the appearance is very diverse. All you can safely say is that they are erect bipedal hominids with skin evolved to resist lots of sun. Some are tall and thin, some are short and stocky, etc. (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinka_people [wikipedia.org] , I had trouble searching for stocky people) and one shouldn't forget the pygmies. The people of the Kalahari have their own set of variations. Etc.
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 23 2020, @12:55AM (1 child)
And yet if you were to divide mankind in two it would be african and not african, since everyone else is partly neanderthal (and also denisovan in the case of asians), whereas the homo sapiens who didn't leave africa didn't change much from homo erectus other than mixing with some even more ancient homo whose name escapes me.
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Wednesday September 23 2020, @03:18AM
Far as I know, the archaic admixture in Africa has not been ID'd as a specific species, but only as the DNA of an unknown archaic hominid. (At a guess, tho, from an early branch of H.erectus.)
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 23 2020, @06:32PM
maybe, maybe not and even if you fully accept the OOA theory, it depends on exactly what group and when you are talking about. This whole "we're all black" BS is just that: bullshit. We've been evolving separately for many 10's of thousands of years by Nature's design, not evil racists'.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 22 2020, @06:18PM
Only China has the courage to do it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 22 2020, @07:52PM
You do realize no one has done a full genetic mapping of humans right? They never finished the human genome project then changed the definition of "complete" to "we tried really hard".
Basically it's done by cutting up the DNA into small fragments for sequencing then digitally stitching them back together. So if you have a lot of repetitive sequences it is very ambiguous. No one even knows how much is missing, probably 5-20%.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Tuesday September 22 2020, @09:00PM
They can't. The DNA found in fossils is very degraded and fragmentary. Usually they depend on mitochondrial DNA which is a lot more common than nuclear DNA, but which is VERY limited. They don't even have a complete version of Craig Venter's DNA https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Venter [wikipedia.org] , and he paid lots of money for that. (Much of it wasn't his own money, but still, he paid it.)
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 2) by Rosco P. Coltrane on Tuesday September 22 2020, @07:04PM (7 children)
before they found the skeletal remains of the fairy next to it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 22 2020, @08:31PM (6 children)
If they ever found a fairy, elf, leprechaun, or whatever, no one would admit to it. It would become "an undeveloped juvenile with congenital deformities".
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 22 2020, @09:24PM (5 children)
Or they just bury it again and ban further research in the area like that ancient roman ship found off the coast of Brazil.
https://www.nytimes.com/1985/06/25/science/underwater-exploring-is-banned-in-brazil.html [nytimes.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 22 2020, @09:40PM (4 children)
Wow what a coverup and in the literal sense!
Now consider that there is a theory that CHINESE first discovered America
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_Menzies [wikipedia.org]
Yeah nobody is going to like that at all
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 22 2020, @09:53PM
Sounds like he said the Minoans discovered America first.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Tuesday September 22 2020, @11:25PM (2 children)
Gavin Menzies is a fantasist, but his theory is amusing enough.
Could China have discovered America in 1421? Maybe. Is there any evidence they did? No.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 23 2020, @06:36PM (1 child)
They discovered it before then, when the "Native Americans" came across 10k years ago. Whether you want to call them Chinese is up to you. There were probably small groups of ancient Whites here already when they did. Look it up.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday September 23 2020, @10:08PM
You may have spelled WAKE UP SHEEPLE! wrong.
(Score: 3, Funny) by Thexalon on Tuesday September 22 2020, @09:00PM
What did the last Neanderthal say just before they died? "Aaaaaah!"
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 3, Funny) by TrentDavey on Tuesday September 22 2020, @09:53PM (1 child)
... might quibble with that statement.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday September 22 2020, @10:01PM
That's some twisted logic but true nonetheless.