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Well, all aristarchus submissions on all and sundry are being rejected according to plan. That is to be expected. What is not is the immediate rejection of aristarchus submissions to keep them out of the view of web crawlers, lest it appear that SN was a hive of liberality and objective news! And, then, of course, when we least suspected it, the dumbest Soylentil figured out aristarchus' fiendish plan! Oh! Busted! My Bad! Mea Culpa! So now we are flooded in the IRC with submissions from some "nutherguy". Dude, if you are going to do this, at least do it under your own username!
But things have gotten testy, even on the Editor front. Now there is nothing like TMB calling me stupid, which really is no insult at all since I know he knows not of which he posts, but more the banning of editors by other editors, and where I least expected to see it. Marty B has always be the exemplar of fairness, a Rock of SoylentNews. God knows I had my differences with janrinock when he was EIC, but then, he is not all that bright. Now, however, I come across this, over the continued queue stuffing by Runaway, and his threat to shoot our esteemed Editor in Chief:
[01:23:59] tell that to the guy who said he'd shoot you. even in jest that shit's not exactly civil
[01:24:10] I wartnedf you
[01:24:14] .kick AzumaHazuki
[01:24:14] -!- AzumaHazuki was kicked from #soylent by Aphrodite!Aphrodite@dodekatheon.olympus.gr [(Bytram (martyb)) No reason given]
[01:24:31] ++ Bytram
[01:24:41] nutherguy: watch it.
[01:25:03] *sigh* I got it backwards, don't I?
So, Bytram "wartnedf" Azuma Hazuki, and then kicked another ed from the #soylent channel on IRC. Maybe Marty is having a bad day, or perhaps the influence of a certain Boomer Trump supporting Soylentil has become toxic to the point of causing dissension within the ranks of our dear volunteer editors?
Now, I am just a regular soylentil, besides being 2400 years old, and I have seen this many times before. I suggest that the cause of the friction the removed. It really is time we ban Runaway1956. I say this with great trepidation and regret, as it is an extreme action to take, but the survival of SoylentNews as a viable place for discussion is at stake. "Nutherguy" poses an existential threat to SoylentNews.
Discuss.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by c0lo on Wednesday September 23 2020, @07:47AM (24 children)
Wait until after election [theatlantic.com]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 5, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday September 23 2020, @04:57PM (23 children)
Rightwingers are already the deadliest terrorist threat in the nation.
And even just normal murderers (or man-slaughterers depending on the outcome of the trial) like Kyle Rittenhouse are being encouraged by the Administration and the rightwing nutjob-o-shpere.
OF COURSE there's gonna be violence when Trump loses.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday September 23 2020, @05:45PM (4 children)
He's not going to lose. He and his cronies have got this one sewn up tight thanks to the kind of corruption and ratfucking they've done, on an utterly unprecedented scale, that makes the Nixon gang look like an Eagle Scout troop.
There will be violence all right, but it's going to be his red-meat base (think "pointy white hoods") feeling their limiters have been completely removed and running riot on all those uppity blacks/gays/Hispanics/whatever they've had to put up with for a few decades.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday September 23 2020, @07:57PM (3 children)
He's going to lose the actual vote and the electoral college vote by a large margin.
What remains to be seen is whether that will be sufficient to remove him from office.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 23 2020, @08:31PM
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-concede/616424/ [theatlantic.com]
They are already prepping to ignore the election, and Trump has been laying the groundwork. How a president can say he might not accept the election results here in Freedomland is beyond me. Republicans are going full fascism.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday September 23 2020, @09:16PM (1 child)
I saw this recently. [medium.com]
I am unsure if I agree with all his assumptions, and I think he is counting on Biden to be something other than the corporate frontman he has always been, which might be a mistake, but it is still interesting.
In a "I really hope that doesn't happen" kind of way.
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Thursday September 24 2020, @02:39AM
With a war game designer on their side, the left can't lose! /sarcasm
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 23 2020, @08:51PM (17 children)
It is the left-wing that is literally burning down sections of cities. It is the left-wing Democrats in power in those cities that are letting it happen by ordering the police to stand down, and/or by banning them from using effective non-lethal crowd control techniques. It is the left-wing Democrats in power that have waived bail for the rioters to get their troops back out in the streets to continue the burning. It is the left-wing mobs that have pulled people from their cars and beaten them. It is the left-wing mobs that have killed people. It was a left-wing mob that was chasing down Rittenhouse to beat and/or kill him.
And you honestly think that the right-wing is the deadliest threat? Honestly?
We truly live in completely different reality tunnels.
(Score: 5, Informative) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday September 23 2020, @09:18PM
White supremacy is "most lethal threat" to the US according to the Department of Homeland Security [cnn.com]
(Score: 3, Insightful) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday September 23 2020, @09:23PM
Do you really think that stuff is happening? That's a bit sad really.
Why do you think democrats are left wing? By any sensible measure they're right wing, despite Fox News' claims.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @12:17AM (14 children)
In self-defense after he killed one of them. Too bad they did not kill the slimy Trump-supported teen asshole! Should've drawn and quarted him on the spot! He is the one who killed, the mad-dog rightwing nutjob, not the leftists. Get your facts straight, or America may have to come after _you_ in self-defense, is you keep inciting lawlessness.
(Score: 2, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Thursday September 24 2020, @02:41AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlUcPJSxS1M&bpctr=1600897786 [youtube.com]
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @06:02AM (9 children)
It's not self-defense if you are chasing someone. It might be self-defense if you are being chased.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @06:19AM (8 children)
Unless that person was already a murderer, then it is a case of Posse Commitatus, the people apprehending a teenager fucked up by right-wing propaganda, who need to be put down, before he kills again. He was fleeing a lawful posse, of citizens attempting to arrest his criminal ass. This is how all Trump militia types will end up. In some cases, it will be local law enforcement (despite some loony sympathizers), or the Marshall service, or State and local police, or the National Guard. We will be coming for you, you Nazi fuck. Be prepared to be surrounded, out-gunned, and made to do the walk of shame. Pathetic, deplorable losers.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @06:48AM (4 children)
I got your "lawful posse" swinging. Those fools chasing Kyle didn't have a nut sack worth of brains to share between them. How lawful can a kiddie diddler, a burglar, and a wife beater be? Mostly peaceful lawful arsonists have rights too, amirite?
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @07:09AM
Rittenhouse randomly shot three people with violent criminal backgrounds. It was just a coincidence, and had nothing to do with the makeup of Antifa rioters.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @07:37AM (2 children)
Does a sheriff ask for background checks when forming a posse? I think not. And, why do you think anything about the pursuers of a murderer has anything to do with the guilt of the racist fucking rightwing nutjob teeny AR15-bopper? Lethal injuction, for the murderer. Premeditated, with malice aforethought. The same malice you are spreading, and so you, too, deserve to die, since you are a murderer in your heart. God will judge you, and we will judge you, if you put your evil thoughts into deeds. May god have vegemite on your sole!
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @08:28AM (1 child)
I'm not a fan of the death sentence. Kyle Fuckhouse makes me question my convictions, but I still won't budge. He should be locked up for 15+ years, and hopefully he figures out a thing or two about why it is wrong to assault people.
For those who don't know, Kyle was recorded jumping into a fight between two women by sucker punching one of them when nothing much was happening.
Republicans should be ashamed defending such a spineless twerp. He is 100% the "soyboy cuck" they imagine so often.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 26 2020, @04:48PM
You think punching someone is worth 15+ years? WTF is wrong with you?!
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @03:59PM (2 children)
No. Chasing someone might theoretically, just possibly, be a lawful arrest, but it is not self-defense.
Chasing someone and trying to forcibly take their rifle is aggravated assault and attempted robbery. Kicking them in the head is battery. Hitting them with a skateboard is battery. Pointing a gun at them is brandishing and assault.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 25 2020, @09:06AM
Unless they were a perpetrator of murder with malice and aforethought. Then attempting to disarm the murdering teen Trump fuck is entirely lawful, and we may even have to use "nutherguy" deadly force, if he does not stand down and surrender his weapon. What the fuck is up with these rightwing nutjob evaders of the law of the land? Insisting on assassin rights like concealed carry and silencers? Wanting to cross state lines to kill people in their own personal political discussions? We need to identify these people, re-educate them, and if we cannot, euthanize them for their own good.
(Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 25 2020, @09:07AM
Kid was bearing arms illegally. Any adult had the right to take it away from him. Including the complicit cops. Fuckers.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 25 2020, @07:11PM (2 children)
Probably too late for this to be read, but you display some interesting aspects of your thinking.
He shot a guy who was chasing him. However, calling Rosenbaum "one of them" betrays the Leftist habit of group thinking. You define people by the groups they are members of. Rosenbaum was on your team, therefore he must be supported. This is the base of all racist, sexist, and classist thinking. You cannot be racist or sexist or classist until after you have divided and sorted individuals into races, classes, or sexes. Us and Them.
Obvious de-humanization of the perceived out-group. Group-think again, along with the double standard of a call to worse violence than that which you claim to abhor. But it's ok isn't it. The enemy isn't human.
Learn to treat people as individuals and you might one day wake up and realize why this aspect of leftism so often leads to Gulags.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 26 2020, @04:55PM (1 child)
Those idiots aren't leftists, they're authoritarians who prefer a different style of authority than the other authoritarians.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 26 2020, @10:34PM
There are definitely authoritarians on both sides, but the habit of only seeing people as part of a group is a Left trait. The Right may be reactionary and authoritarian too, but they generally are much less groupist. I think it is because of their mythos of Independence and their disdain of government and "collective action".
The Right may dislike certain groups, but they dislike the group because they dislike the members of the group. The Left on the other hand, dislike people because they dislike the group they are members of. It's a subtle difference, but it leads to Leftists being far more discriminatory and prejudiced. They don't see it as wrong because they are discriminatory and prejudiced against the "correct" groups.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 23 2020, @08:00AM (3 children)
They won't ban anyone except for temp bans based on spam and down mods. Sock ouppets are used to manipulate discussions, and the editorial control dictates the overall narrative.
Easy changes that could work around some of the issues here are ignored as the site is considered good enough. Someone made a point about donations and people deserving more from a supposed community site, doubt that story submission will get published though.
As for queue stuffing, gotta say you are a bit guilty of that as well, why do you consider Runaway so much worse?
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday September 23 2020, @08:16AM
This means war! An uncivil one (grin)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 2, Informative) by aristarchus on Wednesday September 23 2020, @08:21AM (1 child)
Au Contraire, mon cheri AC! I do not queue stuff, I only gently prod the overwhelming right-wing bias of SoylentNews! And it is all rejected, proving the right-wing bias of the SoylentNews. I imagine a similar civil war is taking place within the fetid bowels of Fox News, as we speak?
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 23 2020, @12:13PM
That's "moon cherry", ma chérie.
(Score: 5, Touché) by takyon on Wednesday September 23 2020, @10:30AM (25 children)
I've deleted dozens of Nutherguy/Runaway1956 submissions. But the average one is still better than the average aristarchus submission. Of course, that hasn't stopped you from being salty about it:
https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=39666&page=1&cid=1054805#commentwrap [soylentnews.org]
https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=39646&page=1&cid=1054257#commentwrap [soylentnews.org]
https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=39546&page=1&cid=1050995#commentwrap [soylentnews.org]
https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=39533&page=1&cid=1050646#commentwrap [soylentnews.org]
https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=39521&page=1&cid=1050173#commentwrap [soylentnews.org]
https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=39552&page=1&cid=1051189#commentwrap [soylentnews.org]
Your obsession is duly noted.
[SIG] 10/28/2017: Soylent Upgrade v14 [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Wednesday September 23 2020, @10:34AM (6 children)
Ah! Another guilty party returns to the scene of the crime? Not enough, fictional particle!
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Wednesday September 23 2020, @10:36AM (5 children)
And why you put up all these AC comments? Those were not mine. Or, are you claiming otherwise? Seriously? The coif is ripped off the Anonymous of the anonymous cowards! Takyon knows who you are!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 23 2020, @04:55PM (4 children)
Currently there are two AC comments above here of which I was the first. Don't blame Takyon.
As for your subs, I personally do appreciate your work but I've seen quite a pile of incredibly similar alt-right criticisms and thought it was a bit much. Not because I like the alt-right, just that so many subs on one topic with many being blog opinion pieces is a bit abusive. Take responsibility and just admit that you spam subs due to the rightwing bias of the site. Maybe limit your subs to the higher quality and more fact based articles?
I won't stop disliking the alt-right, but I do lose respect for you when you won't cop to your trolling no matter how good your intentions originally were. My personal feeling is that you shouldn't submit more than 1-3 alt-right hit pieces a week, and mix it up with more general science/tech pieces. Of course that assumes the hit pieces are more than just opinion blogs, and that the editors stop censoring you by default.
Just start posting journals every day like Fusty bruh, they get enough traction and you supposedly won't be censored there. Or do both, submit story and journal your favorites.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @08:31AM (3 children)
Oh Ari, I am saddened. I would have hoped you would address valid criticism. At least you aren't as bad as TMB responding with increasingly stupid levels of narcissism.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday September 24 2020, @09:30AM (2 children)
I am truly sorry you are saddened. But what makes you think I have not addressed valid criticisms? It is only the invalid criticisms that I ignore, and those are dark shafts loosed in anger by those who would want to control discourse on SoylentNews. TMB was the spark, the fons et origio, if you will, but this has been a long battle. The implosion of the Trump idiocy, and that of the heads that have backed it, will only make things worse, for a while. But they will lose, and be appropriately disciplined.
I am amused by those who complain about aristarchus subs that have never seen the light of day, as if that somehow affects SN! The really good ones, the ones that are meant to twerk takyon's noodle, or corvix janrinock's brain, I never post in a journal. You thanks is acknowledged in advance.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @07:43PM (1 child)
As usual you mischaracterize and respond with anger. I empathize, these last 4 years have frayed my sanity too, but you should work on not being so combative. Sometimes it is justified, sometimes not. As for spamming the sub queue, when you have posted a list of rejected subs I reviewed them and I stand by my position that too many were blog opinion pieces. Even though I agreed with them there were too many.
If you refuse to even acknowledge your trollish behavior then why should anyone take you seriously? Hell, I would bother registering to help post journals of censored subs.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Friday September 25 2020, @10:13AM
Not my fault there were to many. If you checked, you would see that such journals usually are selective, and cover a month, at least. Hardly spamming the queue, to have a few submissions alerting us to unchecked right wing insanity! But, you are entitled to your opinion, and I am grateful for you comments. Thank you, AC.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Wednesday September 23 2020, @12:14PM (4 children)
You mean to say Nutherguy is Runaway or what?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 3, Funny) by khallow on Wednesday September 23 2020, @12:34PM (3 children)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 23 2020, @09:16PM (1 child)
You think a genius like him would have heard of znc or another bouncer.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday September 24 2020, @02:02AM
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Sunday September 27 2020, @02:39AM
Seems Runaway's new nick on IRC is , and sometimes and are the only ones there, talking to each other, and even answering back, and submitting stuff from Cop magazines.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 23 2020, @05:21PM (12 children)
My criticism is that I've seen nutherguy/Runaway stories stay in the queue until they get purged after seven days, but those stories used sources like RT, Zero Hedge, and Sputnik News. Even if a particular story happens to be accurate, those sites are known for posting fake news and propaganda. Meanwhile, aristarchus submissions that rely on sites with better fact check records get promptly deleted. I don't understand why stories citing fake news sites don't also get deleted quickly. That should be a pretty automatic disqualification but it doesn't seem to be. You could use mediabiasfactcheck.com [mediabiasfactcheck.com] and disqualify stories that use sites falling below certain standards, which would remove the subjectivity from the process for the SN staff. If it falls below the threshold, editors won't consider it at all for posting and automatically delete it. It would get rid of sites with poor fact check records as well as those that promote pseudoscience and conspiracies.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 23 2020, @07:57PM (11 children)
Aristarchus submits stories of little relevance and editorializes, that isn't front page material, it's what his journal is for.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Friday September 25 2020, @10:15AM (10 children)
[janrinok posts AC! Now we know he does it!!]
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Sunday September 27 2020, @07:01AM (9 children)
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Sunday September 27 2020, @07:39AM (8 children)
Yes, really? The lack of an affirmative denial is not a denial of the affirmative, is it, oh great and mighty editore emeritas?
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Sunday September 27 2020, @08:10AM (7 children)
You made a claim yet provide nothing to back it up. I don't recall posting AC but I could be mistaken.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 28 2020, @08:45PM (6 children)
We are not granted the privacy invading powers that you have. Maybe it is time the community actually had a say in site governance. Accounts that donate get to review staff activity, and instead of displaying hashed IPs by default put them behind a request that gets recorded so we have a record of who is snooping on users. Maybe require an explanation be added.
Coos need body cams, SN staff need oversight.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday September 29 2020, @08:49AM (5 children)
How can a prove a negative? I do not post as AC - I have an account which gives me the ability to use a journal, to earn karma (and more importantly a reputation for the comments that I make) and I have access to the stories and comments that are posted. Why would I want to post as AC?
I don't have any 'privacy invading' powers. I DO NOT HAVE access to the server logs, so I do not know who people are or where they are located. The best that I can know is their nickname - which they choose and it gives me nothing at all regarding their true identity. Without access to the server logs I have no idea where where people live unless they compromise themselves by something that they write in a comment - which is only attributable to their nickname. Or they appear on IRC and give the whole world their life story. I repeat - I do not know who anybody actually is. The email addresses that members provide to get an account need only exist for a matter of a few minutes while the account is being set up. It might be their permanent email address or it might be a temporary address which subsequently points to nowhere.
You do realise that we are all operating from home, don't you? How do you propose to 'review' what I am doing on my home computer? But if you do wish to review what we do - join the staff. Get yourself the access that you seem to think we all have, join in the discussions regarding the security and protection of the site, the bug fixing, the QA, the selection and editing of stories, or any of the many thankless tasks that are necessary so that you can accuse us of privacy abuse. But you cannot do any of this anonymously. You are not going to be given the necessary access privileges simply because you want to 'review' what we are all doing. If you don't like the way the site works then by all means lets discuss it, but you are free to leave any time you wish.
However, as a member of staff, we do have a responsibility to protect the site from abuse, spam and software attacks. We have to be able to identify who is doing what - but only as far as an anonymous nickname or a hash. My hash is 6b9499dc3c8b52cf0cb54ec8058e198c - and now you know as much about me as I know about you i.e. nothing at all. I do not know how the hash is calculated (editors do not need access to the software, nor the database, nor any logs), in fact all I know about you is that you are an AC with your own hash. Checking for site abuse is something that we do on a continuous basis - but I can only identify it to an anonymous hash, or a nickname if someone has elected to use one. Only a very small number of people have full access to the data that you think we are abusing - but somebody needs to keep the servers working and serving data.
Some people here have a particular writing style (both Ari and Runaway, plus dozens of other, demonstrate this trait more than they might imagine). SN does not harvest your data - we neither need it or want it. But anyone can download the stories, comments and journals on this site and sift through them all to collect information regarding the individuals writing them. If anyone having a particular style appears, or who always argues with/downmods particular commentators, it is relatively easy to identify who they are - at least in terms of nickname or hash - for anyone who has spent time on this site. Occasionally a comment can elicit an response from an anonymous member who promptly confirms what the person making the comment suspected. The AC compromises him/herself and then blames the commenter for abusing hashes or private information. ACs are often not as clever as they think they are....
I, too, have a particular style. If you analyse my writing you will see that I use British English spelling, I use the word 'however' more frequently than most, and I live in France. If I chose to comment anonymously I'm sure many people would recognise my writings as belonging to 'janrinok'. Most of those currently taking part in the Red v Blue squabbles are American - and they have all identified themselves as being in one camp or the other. The majority of those laughing at them are not American. You see, speech analysis is relatively easy, and ACs who cannot use a VPN properly or have individual styles are quickly identified as such.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Wednesday September 30 2020, @06:47AM (2 children)
Oh, dear, now janrinok has done it!
Some people here have a particular writing style (both Ari and Runaway, plus dozens of other, demonstrate this trait more than they might imagine). SN does not harvest your data - we neither need it or want it. But anyone can download the stories, comments and journals on this site and sift through them all to collect information regarding the individuals writing them. If anyone having a particular style appears, or who always argues with/downmods particular commentators, it is relatively easy to identify who they are - at least in terms of nickname or hash - for anyone who has spent time on this site. Occasionally a comment can elicit an response from an anonymous member who promptly confirms what the person making the comment suspected. The AC compromises him/herself and then blames the commenter for abusing hashes or private information. ACs are often not as clever as they think they are....
Alright, janrinok, if that is your real name! I challenge you to declare what AC posts you can identify purely on the basis of writing style! You think you can come anywhere close to 50% of AC posts by Runaway? OK, maybe, perhaps not a real challenge. But Ari? (By the way, who is "Ari"? I am aristarchus, please note no initial cap, and no shortening.) So go for it, janrinok, identify as many AC posts bye aristarchus as you can, and I will grade you. But beware, if the score is to high, some Soylentils might begin to suspect that Admins and Eds are tracking identities of ACs, perhaps more than they should? Give my my hash, janrinok! Tag me for the masses!
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Wednesday September 30 2020, @08:18AM (1 child)
Oh, do grow up Ari. It doesn't matter whether I can identify 1, 10, 50 or 100%. Some posts are easily identified, others are impossible. If you think I am going to sift through thousands of comments just to see what the actual number is then you are seriously mistaken.
Check your own comments and note where you have stated your assumed age, or the fact that your adopted persona is to be respected, or the number of times you use a favoured phrase in Latin, Greek or French. Anybody could do that - but the only person who does it frequently enough to be significant is you.
You will, of course, deny it - but I would bet on https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=39709&page=1&cid=1056031#commentwrap> [soylentnews.org] on being straight from your hand, based entirely on writing style.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Wednesday September 30 2020, @09:34AM
You may be right, janrinok, but do you refer to the first, or the reply? And, of course, in the tradition of Buck Feta, you know why we value our ACs so much, and like to believe in their anonymity. Of course, the Eds and admins constantly undermine that faith with insinuations of knowing who the ACs actually are. Not cool, editore emeritas! Not cool. (Oh, and I actually am close to 2400 years old. I never doubt your identity, why do you doubt mine?)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 30 2020, @09:30PM (1 child)
When you are able to identify an AC post as belonging to a specific user then you have invaded that person's privacy. As you said, sometimes it is necessary to check the IP hash for administrative anti-abuse purposes; however that should not be info you are privvy to when being an average user commenting on stories.
It amazes me how many times you staff members try and deny your privileged positions and the extra insight you can get by de-anonymizing AC posts. Why should you be able to see which AC posts are made by the same person when non-staff can not?
I've said this before, all staff should have staff-only accounts for doing staff business and those accounts should have complete logs of their activity with hashed IPs hidden behind a widget so that each inspection you make gets recorded. As a regular user your account should have zero special privileges.
Either this is a community site or it is not. Currently it is not. The community is repeatedly asked to fork over money for hosting while site administration is beholden to a select few with no oversight. We already know staff have abused their powers in the past and we have no guarantees or methods of seeing if they are abusing their powers now.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Thursday October 01 2020, @09:05AM
What I said is " I DO NOT HAVE access to the server logs, so I do not know who people are or where they are located. The best that I can know is their nickname". Often, I do not even have that - I have a hash. If the site is being abused I pass that information on the the very small number of people who CAN do something about it. They discuss what action, if any , is required, and they implement that action. I only know the nickname - if it has been used - or the hash. Somebody HAS to have access to the server logs, somebody HAS to be able to block IPs if we are being DOSd, somebody HAS to mark the spam. But the staff having that privilege is very limited and does not include editors by default.
Because one cannot identify if someone is being unfairly modded down or mod-bombed by a specific individual if you cannot identify the moderator and moderatee by some attribute. Such moderation would be an abuse of the site as it can be used as a method of silencing free speech. We use a hash which divulges nothing at all about the individual unless they have chosen to give that information themselves (i.e. a nickname). However, I can see the argument for everybody having access to the hash but the consensus last time this was discussed was that doing so makes it easier for those who wish to silence certain community members, which is one of the reasons many have chosen to post as AC rather than use their nickname. They are not trying to hide from the staff, they are trying to avoid those who wish to prevent them from expressing themselves. Pointing out to abusers that we can see what they are doing is a useful way of persuading them to stop their abusive activity. If they are posting as AC the only communication that we have with them is via a comment. We have never, as far as I am aware, divulged personal information regarding a community member. As you can now see, there are very good reasons for having access to the hash even though it tells me nothing private about the individual.
My ID is how I am allocated privileges and how I am limited to only those things that I need to have access to. I always log on as janrinok and then the system can control what I can see and do. Are you proposing that we should all have 2 different IDs? Even if we were to introduce such a system we have to check for moderation abuse almost continually - which implies that I have to be able to see who is moderating whom and therefore I would only be logged on using my 'editor' ID. The only alternative is that we do away with AC posting, but I don't think that many people would support that. Even so, like everywhere on the internet, you have to have an IP address so that communication can take place. By all means hide behind a VPN - we will only get the hash of the VPN address rather than the hash of your origin. But I have also pointed out that most people, even those behind a changing VPN usually compromise themselves by the way they write, the users they frequently upmod and those that they downmod, the topics that they write on, and so forth. Of course, if you do use a VPN and someone else also uses it to carry out unwanted activity then you could end up being blocked unintentionally. I believe that my access to the areas where I have some responsibility is already logged - but as I haven't got access to those logs (for obvious reasons) I cannot guarantee it.
If you want all our activity to be logged, who would have access to those logs? What would stop them from deleting parts of the log, or falsifying the log contents? Who would you want to have 'oversight' to those logs if you don't trust the staff who are managing them? What about the logs that contain personal information? User IDs, hashes, etc? What do you want the logs to record? If your problem is that you don't trust me, or perhaps a specific few members of the site, just say so rather than dress it up in this security theatre.
Although we welcome everybody to our site we do expect that you accept the technical limitations and management tasks that have to be carried out on every internet site. If you don't trust us why do you stay?
Please point me towards a site where you are allowed to have direct access to their servers, logs, hardware, and software so that we can follow their example, while still remaining secure. We are grateful for your support and the support of everyone else to this site, but giving everybody access to the whole site is not a viable solution to whatever it is that you dislike about it.
As a slight aside, one of the benefits of Open Source is that text analysis software is free and included in many distros. It is useful for submission processing, analysing how people write and hundreds of other users. I use it, so can you:
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Wednesday September 23 2020, @02:56PM
The IRC channel for SoylentNews is not SoylentNews, if you're going to not abide by the IRC rules, then expect to be kicked/banned, etc. I.E. moderator is the dragon and you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 3, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday September 23 2020, @03:44PM (2 children)
I don't think I deserved that but lay off Bytram. IRC isn't the forums, moderators of an IRC room are basically demigods, and the place isn't a democracy. Justified? No. A huge deal? Also no.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 23 2020, @04:03PM (1 child)
By the same token, aristarchus is not all of (or even half of) SN. He is in desperate need of some perspective.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday September 24 2020, @09:33AM
You cut me to the quick, AC! Oh, such an insinuation! aristarchus is not half of SN? One wonders, how do you know this? Do you know how many AC posts are actually an incognitio ancient Greek philosopher? Well, not your own, obviously, unless, . . . wait a minute!
(Score: 3, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday September 23 2020, @03:45PM (2 children)
Whether or not I'd agree with it, please don't use me to further it. This is the second time in a week someone's doing that. Please remove/change your sig as well. I speak for myself, and *only* myself.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 25 2020, @05:03AM (1 child)
Then stop trying to censor other people's speech.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday September 26 2020, @01:43AM
Downmods aren't censorship, you dumb son of a bitch. Here's another just for you.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 23 2020, @04:40PM (56 children)
for the new neo-liberal far leftist.
Which has become this: "If you do not agree, 100%, with my opinion, then you must be destroyed."
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday September 23 2020, @05:47PM (55 children)
You don't know what the fuck words mean. Neoliberals aren't leftists, especially not economically. Fuck outta here with this gaslighting bullshit.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 23 2020, @06:44PM (54 children)
Nope. Today's liberal has become the most extreme version of what used to be labeled the "ultra conservative". Today's liberal: "Every other opinion, but mine, is absolutely wrong."
The difference is the "ultra conservative" of 30 years ago did not go around forcing others to bend to their point of view under threat of physical harm.
However, today's liberal most certainly is forcing others to voice agreement with their opinion, under threat of personal violence. For example see: https://twitter.com/brandondarby/status/1307645664306790401 [twitter.com]
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday September 23 2020, @07:07PM (12 children)
See previous post.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 23 2020, @07:39PM (1 child)
Neoliberal asshole detected.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 26 2020, @07:10PM
You clearly have no clue what neoliberalism is. I would explain but that would require you to be interested. Instead it just has the word "librul" in it, and that's all you hear.
You are insane. You have lost touch with objective reality. Republicans have publicly announced they intend to subvert the Constitution and make war on the United States. Donald Trump raised sedition enforcement, but I think when this is done we need a few treason (as defined in the Constitution) trials.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 23 2020, @07:44PM (9 children)
Hardly. You need to send yourself back to school since you obviously have no idea what the words mean. Neo means new. As in today's new liberal.
And today's new liberal is most definitely well within the zone of: "Thou shalt agree perfectly with my opinion or else thou shalt be destroyed". I.e., see this as but one example: https://twitter.com/brandondarby/status/1307645664306790401 [twitter.com]
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 23 2020, @07:51PM (8 children)
If we're gonna cherry pick horrifying twitter posts you're gonna lose. Your god-emperor alone wins the worst side award. Also I hear the KKK calls themselves conservatives, thus by the law of your stupidity you are a neo-nazi piece of shit :)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 23 2020, @08:10PM
Regardless of your feelings about Trump, that twitter video clip shows new liberals forcing others to espouse belief in their "one world view".
I.e., the ideology that used to stand for openness, inclusiveness, and willingness to tolerate differences has so closed its mind on its ideals that it is now the worst example of that which it was trying to be different from, the closed minded bigot that expects everyone else to believe what they do.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 23 2020, @08:13PM (6 children)
Neo-liberal response type #1 detected: move the goal posts.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 23 2020, @08:29PM (5 children)
Eesh, you fascists are too much. I equated the craziness of that twitter post with the rightwing crazies since you want to generalize a whole group of people, but you can't see the flaw in your logic. If every liberal is as extreme as that guy, then every conservative is a literal nazi.
Not one goalpost moved =)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 23 2020, @08:32PM (4 children)
Except for the flaw in your viewpoint. The ones demanding allegiance to their "one think" are the liberal BLM and Antifa protestors. There is not one right-wing crazy at all in that crowd of liberals demanding allegiance to their way of thinking. The crowd consists of the new liberals who are more closed minded now than the worst thing they were rallying against in the past.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @12:25AM (2 children)
Except they will kill you with their .22 caliber Insult Riffles, if you disagree with them, and then they lie about it being "self-defense" against totalitarian Leftist Brainwashing, 'cause you never see a Commie get a Covid shot, do ya? They have reason to be afraid, anyone with so little brainpower is easily controlled, say, even by Seath O'Really Brian, or Limberger Smelly Pants.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @02:01AM (1 child)
Neo-liberal response type #2 detected: sarcasm.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @03:22AM
Mockery is only sarcasm to someone so fucking stupid as not to be able to tell the difference! No go and Make America Well by getting some education.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @09:37AM
Not true. Wrong. Incorrect. Rather crazy. Off-base. Stupid, when you think about it. Not right. Biased and bubbled in an incontrovertible fashion. Monologically self-reinforcing error. No one is trying to tell you want to thing, they are just trying to show you how! (This is where I stick the needle into your forehead!)
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday September 23 2020, @09:45PM (15 children)
Apart from black people.
Or gay people.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 23 2020, @10:24PM (13 children)
30 years ago, not 75 years ago.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday September 23 2020, @11:57PM (11 children)
This guy was murdered 22 years ago because he was gay. [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @02:08AM (4 children)
Nothing in the wikipedia article states anything about the political persuasion of the two attackers.
A terrible crime, but does not support your implied reason for citing it.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday September 24 2020, @02:22AM (3 children)
Oh, fair enough. Let's assume those murderers were staunch liberals then.
I'm pretty sure these murderers weren't though. [wikipedia.org]
They seem to have murdered two people in their own home specifically because they didn't like gay people.
Tell me again about those super tolerant conservatives.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @02:38AM (2 children)
Ok, you've found one of the nutcases on the other side. Although I should point out that this article also does not, directly, point out their political persuasion. However I'll grant that there are few "fundamental Christians" who would also call themselves liberals, so yes, they are much more likely to be on the conservative political side.
But bad actor nutcases on the conservative side don't give the current crop of today's new liberals running around rioting under cover of BLM and Antifa the right to be doing what they are doing either. Two wrongs do not make a right in any case.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday September 24 2020, @03:13AM (1 child)
Oh. I won't waste any more of my time if you're just going to be disingenuous.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 26 2020, @07:23PM
They're not going to be honest with outsiders. It's part of their religion to lie, gaslight, obstruct, and project, in the name of loyalty to a conception of Jesus, son of a genocidal god. They relish in destruction and death. They believe that god has commanded them to cleanse the world of the inferior races in preparation for the events of Revelation and the establishment of New Jerusalem.
It's clear what they intend: the overthrow of the Constitution, the establishment of a fascist police state, and jihad against the rest of the world. I grew up in the extreme right. I've listened to their shortwave radio broadcasts. They've been plotting this since the 90s at least.
RBG's passing is checkmate. unless
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Thursday September 24 2020, @02:53AM (5 children)
And, this guy was attacked because he wasn't new-liberal enough - https://humanevents.com/2019/07/02/twitter-elites-celebrate-brutal-antifa-attack-on-andy-ngo/ [humanevents.com]
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday September 24 2020, @03:11AM
Oh right. Of course you would read Reagan's favourite.
Only you would post a link to a site that unironically uses the term "Twitter Elites" and is not referencing Trump. Sad. Low energy.
The blog entry you linked to is long on rhetoric, but short on actual content though.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @03:32AM (3 children)
Runaway, you are doing it again, you are being a putz for the far right! These are not your people, they do not like you, you will never be invited to parties with them, or get a cushy government job, or be appointed Gov of Arkansassy. You are just making yourself look gullible, gullible, stupid, and used.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday September 24 2020, @04:29AM (2 children)
The very idea of being invited to parties with politicos gags me.
Speaking of which, I have at least a dozen emails from Biden, begging me to allow him to sniff my hair and other creepy shit.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @06:26AM (1 child)
And you are embarrassed because you wanted to accept? Oh, you poor deranged Alzheimered Boomer. Do you not remember the Age of Aquarius, when a Democrat won the White House, and it became Camelot? The nasty war mongering Goldwater Republicans were vanquished, and it was all peace and love, and Vietnam and the Bay of Pigs and the Cuban (Ted) Missle (Cruz) Crisis? Or perhaps you were just a babe then, running away because of developmental deficits that plague you into your dotage. It is a terrible thing, to lose your mind. Even worse, when you never really had one to lose. Poor Runaway, so stupid, but then so ignorant, so the stupid does not hurt so much.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 25 2020, @09:11AM
Anything that gags Runaway is good for SoylentNews! How about a road-killed horned toad Turdunkened into a RoadRunner, inside an Armadillo? Sounds about like Runaway's preference in the upcoming American Road carnage.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @12:09AM
Stonewall.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 26 2020, @08:41AM
Or hippy longhair people. Or anti-war protesting people. Or civli right marchers, on a bus, or at a lunch counter. The violence of the right-wing in
America is well established, and understood, like in Georgia, or Kentucky, or Minnesota, or Missouri, or, well, just about anywhere. Now the tables are slightly turned, whitey is worried about being lynched? No, not even. Amazing how the right takes any infringement upon their racist white privilege as a violation of civil rights, when it is a step forward for civil rights for all. Suck it, Whitey!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @12:22AM (24 children)
Not too bright, this AC. Opinions? What about Science, and facts, as opposed to gaslighting and outright lying? We are not forcing you, you have just taken leave of your senses, and no one wants to listen because you are insane. That is not a "difference of opinion". "Bomb Nazis, I aways say, bomb them in their homes. If we bomb every Nazi home, this conflict will soon be over" Billy Mitchell/Arthur Harris, Bomber Mafia.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @02:12AM (23 children)
So you are saying you want to bomb the BLM and Antifa rioters?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 24 2020, @03:30AM (22 children)
Really, really not too bright. I did not say any such thing, and I did not say even what you misread me as saying. Billy Mitchell [thoughtco.com] said something very like it. Ferkin Nazis! Why can't they read?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 25 2020, @04:12AM
You said: "Bomb Nazi's".
Given that the BLM and Antifa new-liberals are becoming maximum Nazi (thou must think like me or be destroyed), then you stated you wanted to bomb BLM and Antifa new-liberals.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 25 2020, @04:16AM (20 children)
Antifa and BLM are the new Nazi's (they are forcing folks to espouse allegiance to their opinion or be destroyed by them).
Therefore, when you said you wanted to "Bomb Nazi's" you really meant you wanted to bomb BLM and Antifa.
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 25 2020, @09:24AM (19 children)
You really are a racist fuck. Let me put it this way, you pale bag of mostly water: People are equal, so Black lives matter, because they are people. You, on the other hand, seem to disagree with this basic fact, you think that some people are not people, and when people try to point out your error, you think they are trying to force you to believe something that is obvious to everyone? Well, guess what, buttercup, if you cannot admit that people are people, and you want to assert your right to maintain that some people are not people, well, first you are a fucking racist, second, if that is what you think, you have no problem with the rest of us thinking your racist ass is not people, either. We will kill you, maim you, spindle you, recollate you, and compile you in Visual Basic. We will have no regard for you. You are not human, and not even an animal, you are sub-human and sub-animal, you are a monster, a vile creature, an evil spawn of Stephan Miller's right ovary. You deserve to die, or not to be born, or to be burned at the stake, or to be condemned to being a law clerk to Ted Cruz (a torture not yet created.). I hope you see the arrows of your wheys, and recalciate the burnabites of you soul. Fucking racist.
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 25 2020, @12:59PM (17 children)
The new-liberals running around claiming to be BLM and Antifa are being filmed, every day, committing crimes (property destruction, arson, etc.) and forcing people to indicate allegiance to their slogan. That is just as much of a modern day Nazi as the Nazi's of the 1930's.
Of course those who want to overlook the crimes and the forced allegiance to the slogan (such as yourself) always attempt to re-frame the argument as a racist attack on the actual people, as opposed to an observation of what the activity of the protests has become. Those BLM's and Antifa's running around destroying property and setting fires are performing a very good rendition of the Nazi's Kristallnacht from 1938, Those being attacked are different, but the activity is the same, property destruction for a political purpose. The forced allegiance or else we will destroy you is also very Nazi from the late 1930's.
The BLM and Antifa protestors have come full circle and become that which they were protesting against.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 26 2020, @08:50AM (16 children)
Ok, you fascist. If you really want to know, look for a circle, about 6-8" in diameter, with a A (cross line going all the way through) and a B, inside the circle. This means your building has been marked by the Antifa Central Command for, you know, some shit. The AFCC never publicized its directives, however, since it doesn't exist, but if you see any such markings, or markings similar, even if they appear to have been done by incests, or bears, or Marmots, or Wildebeest, contact the proper anti-antifa authorities immediately. Maybe a busload, or a planeload, [wonkette.com] or and entire division of antifa, like the 101st Airborne, is headed towards your racist neck of the woods. Best not to be at home, when then arrive. US military, after Afghanistan, is not known for taking prisoners.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 26 2020, @02:44PM (15 children)
And, once again, in standard liberal democrat attack methods, an observation about the activity is re-framed to be a racist attack on the people.
Of course, the liberal democrat supporters of the rioters who are performing a good rendition of 1938's Kristallnacht over and over again, and being filmed doing so, conveniently ignore the fact that most of the Kristallnacht actors are, hmm, white.... Which means the liberal democrat attack re-frame of the activity observer being racist is wrong, because by liberal democrat mentality, it is not possible to be racist against whites.
So it is not possible to be racist by observing that the activity resembles the Nazi's Kristallnacht to a great degree, because the actors hired by the democrat party to reenact Kristallnacht over and over are mostly white, and one can't be racist towards nor discriminate against whites, by definition of the democrat party.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 26 2020, @03:00PM (14 children)
Yes, this has become a standard liberal democrat attack method over the last four years. Never engage with the message, as they can't engage with the message without loosing the debate. So always attack the messenger personally as a racist. And it does not matter the content of the message, the attack is always a personal attack against the messenger as a racist. Liberal democrats have lost all connections to reality and have fully forgotten how to have an adult debate.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 26 2020, @07:55PM (13 children)
Personally, by objecting, you are a racist, you fucking racist! And this is all what it is about? Racism? Systematic racism? In law enforcement? And so by calling you out, the left is engaging the message precisely. You are the racist, and you being a racist is the issue. Now go and stop being so racist, M'kay?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 26 2020, @10:03PM (12 children)
Standard response: "You are either with us, or you are against us."
The liberal left has lost all its marbles, and has become the very racists they began protesting against.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 27 2020, @12:45AM (11 children)
OK, Racist!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 27 2020, @01:44AM (10 children)
OK, doomer
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 27 2020, @02:34AM (9 children)
Funny, it is the progressives who look forward to a better future, one where a man will be shot, in the back, multiple times, by the police, for the content of his character and not the color of his skin. Reactionary racists who are spreading doom and gloom about cities in flames from rioting and people crossing streets where there is no crosswalk, they are the ones who are negative nellies! Conservatives are the ones who want to go back to the past, where one could burn entire neighborhoods, like in Tulsa, or Atlanta, and not be called "racist" because of being racist! They are the ones "doom prepping".
So, racist reactionary rube AC, you can think whatever you want. But you are responsible for the effects your thought have on others. If you encourage children to illegally cross state lines and commit acts of terrorism, that is on you. And you will be brought to justice, and then things will get better. We are all waiting for you to die off. Guess what? There are far, far fewer actual racists in America today than at any point in the past! We had a Black president! We even tricked the Republicans into putting a Black man on the Supreme Court! So get used to being de-platformed, unfriended, ostracized, and obsoleted, but always remember, you are doing this to yourself, the left is not doing it to you. What ever happened to racist personal responsibility?
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 27 2020, @02:56AM (8 children)
Spoken exactly like the most closed minded, racist, far right winger you've become.
No openness to alternative viewpoints (see things my way only, or be called racist and targeted for destruction)
No openness to alternative opinions (think only my way, or be called racist and targeted for destruction).
No acceptance of difference (we will destroy all that do not see and think our way).
Openness to alternative viewpoint, opinions, and differences between people used to be attributes attributed to the liberal progressive mindset.
Yet now, the liberal progressive mindset is "we want things to be this way only, and only this way, all other divergent ways are wrong and must be destroyed".
Which is why you've come full circle, and have become even more racist than the racists you began fighting against.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 27 2020, @04:38AM (7 children)
Not so much that, as you are too stupid to realize you are on the wrong side of history, the wrong side of god, and the wrong side of humanity. We are anti-racist. See that? "Anti-" means "against" as in "opposite of". Now take your white ass the hell and gone out of here, before we have to taunt you a second tyme!!
(Divergent is not necessarily wrong, but when it diverges to racism, it is wrong because it is factually in error, and stupid and dumb and the refuge of poor white trash like yourself and Matt Heimbach [rationalwiki.org]. White incestuous trailer trash. Because, you know, stupid. Bawls in your court!
(And, oh! Seems Matt has reformed [www.lightuponlight.online], and is not anti-racist as well! There is hope for you, you stupid racist AC! )
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 27 2020, @03:44PM (6 children)
Ah, but I am not. It is the actions of the protestors and their new-liberal protectors that has morphed to being on the wrong side of history, god, and humanity. Their actions, and their strict closed-mindedness, shows that they have become the worst of the very thing they began protesting against. They have come full circle and have ended up the worst of the closed minded, opposite of the traditional liberal/progressive thought process, that has ever existed.
Note the attack the messenger personally in all the replies here. The new-liberal-racist "anti-racist" always performs a personal attack against the messenger (itself a racist act), but never addresses the message. Which is exactly the method used by the traditional ultra-racists of the past. To the traditional racist of the past the person was bad, which meant the person had to be attacked personally. And here in this thread we see exactly that, the attacks are against the messenger, not the message.
Yes, that is what the words mean. But inserting the prefix "Anti-" into the name does nothing to prevent the movement and the mentality from morphing, unknowingly to the participants, to the worst example of that which it claims to be fighting. The current rioters are performing racist acts nightly, while smugly acting as if they are safe because their name contains the prefix "Anti-". "A rose by any other name would still smell as sweet" (Shakespeare). In this case it would translate to: "A racist by any other name would still smell as foul". And what can be detected nightly is the foul stench of racist acts being perpetrated by the protestors.
Who said anything about being white? See, even you prove my point by showing you have come full circle to having become so closed minded (i.e., racist) that you can't even comprehend that a person of African heritage might see your actions as racist.
Exactly, and that is exactly the point of this thread. When the "anti-" protestors go so far that they diverge[s] to racism (which they have) then they are "factually in error, and stupid and dumb". Which is what has happened. And the actions show that they have diverge[d] to racism by becoming the most closed minded version of that which they think they are protesting that has ever existed.
The remaining part of the comment that drops into an ultra-racist personal attack snipped. Although that drop into an ultra-racist personal attack just further proves my point that the new-unknowingly-racist-liberal attacks the messenger, rather than the message.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 27 2020, @09:24PM (5 children)
Umm, nobody! But you seem to take great umbrage, you racist piece of shit! Now go mourn the death of your white privilege, whine about how you can't use the "n" word, and complain some more about reverse-racism against racists like yourself. You are the message, your retrograde excretion of stupidity! We are refudiating YOU! Now just fuck off, unless you feel like typing up anotherguy reply that will only further incriminate you. Good Day, white dude!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 27 2020, @10:45PM (4 children)
There is no difference between the racist that attacks people because of their skin color and the racist who attacks people because of the thoughts they imagine exist in the other persons mind.
Both are racists.
And you just continue to prove the point. You've come full circle and are just as racist as the racists you claim to be against.
Of course, you are blind to your own racism, because you've justified it to yourself as right and good.
But you are still exhibiting just as many racist attitudes, if not worse as yours extends to imagined thoughts, as those you claim to be opposing.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 27 2020, @10:57PM (3 children)
No, I am not, you racist racist! I am just pointing out that your position is untrue, offered in bad faith, and just basically racist. I you do not want people to criticize you for the racist words that originate in your racist thoughts, I would recommend that you stop being racist. BLM, you know.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 28 2020, @06:56AM (2 children)
Oh, my poor racist, are you tired? Do you require a brief interval to compose your reply to my devastating rebuttal? I will grant you such, but expect no mercy, I will call you "racist" again. Perhaps more than once.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 28 2020, @02:21PM (1 child)
There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know. [actualfreedom.com.au] (Works of Thomas Chalkley).
You are one of the deluded (self deluded in your case) to which Chalkley references.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 28 2020, @06:18PM
And, if you cannot see how your delusional accusations of reverse racism are the most racist racism ever, you are blinder than the average white conservative! Must truly hurt to be so cognitively dissonant! How do you even live with your racist self?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 26 2020, @05:15PM
Some of them [wikipedia.org] would disagree. (It's somewhat surprising that wiki doesn't seem to know that the non-plural form is incorrect, FOLKS is an acronym...)