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posted by LaminatorX on Friday September 19 2014, @05:47AM   Printer-friendly
from the voice-from-on-high dept.

Systemd has turned into the Godzilla of Linux controversies. "Everywhere you look it's stomping through blogs, rampaging through online discussion threads, and causing white-hot flames that resemble Godzilla's own breath of death," writes Jim Lynch. Now Sam Varghese reports at iTWire that although Linus Torvalds is well-known for his strong opinions, when it comes to systemd, Torvalds is neutral. "When it comes to systemd, you may expect me to have lots of colorful opinions, and I just don't," says Torvalds. "I don't personally mind systemd, and in fact my main desktop and laptop both run it."

Oh, there's been bitter fights before. Just think about the emacs vs vi wars. Or, closer to systemd, the whole "SysV init" vs "BSD init" differences certainly ended up being things that people had "heated discussions" about. Or think about the desktop comparisons.

I'm not really sure how different the systemd brawls are from those. It's technical, but admittedly the systemd developers have also been really good at alienating people on a purely personal level too. Not that that is anything particularly new under the sun _either_: the (very) bitter wars between the GPL and the BSD license camps during late-80s and early-90s were almost certainly more about the persons involved and how they pissed off people than necessarily deeply about other differences (which existed, obviously, but still).

Torvalds was asked if systemd didn't create a single point of failure which makes a system unbootable if it fails. "I think people are digging for excuses. I mean, if that is a reason to not use a piece of software, then you shouldn't use the kernel either."

 
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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by tibman on Friday September 19 2014, @02:35PM

    by tibman (134) Subscriber Badge on Friday September 19 2014, @02:35PM (#95506)

    Current text logs are "rotated" after a period of time. During rotation they are tarred and gziped which makes them very small. Some would argue that compressed logs are as unreadable as systemd logs because an external tool is required.

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  • (Score: 1) by Bob The Cowboy on Saturday September 20 2014, @01:12AM

    by Bob The Cowboy (2019) on Saturday September 20 2014, @01:12AM (#95716)

    Some would argue that compressed logs are as unreadable as systemd logs because an external tool is required.

    An external tool? I'm pretty sure you can find gzip and tar (log files aren't typically tar'd) on the system the compressed log file is on. And you can sure as hell find them on more systems than you can find systemd, should you need to view the log file somewhere else. You can even use pipes to send these log files to whichever viewer you like. By the way, last time I used 'less', it would automatically uncompress files to view them.

    In no way is saying 'compressed text logs are as unreadable as binary logs' a fair statement. Basically any platform on earth can understand a gzip'd text file. What format is the systemd binary log written in? If someone writes a parser for it, how can they be sure it won't change in two years?

    I really don't know much about systemd, and thus obviously haven't made up my mind about it, but binary logs is definitely a point against it.

    • (Score: 2) by tibman on Saturday September 20 2014, @05:05PM

      by tibman (134) Subscriber Badge on Saturday September 20 2014, @05:05PM (#95894)

      binary logs is definitely a point against it

      Agreed : ) I run openRC and have little interest in systemd.

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