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posted by azrael on Sunday September 21 2014, @07:37AM   Printer-friendly
from the use-as-much-as-you-want dept.

A developer affiliated with boycottsystemd.org has announced and released a fork of systemd, sardonically named uselessd.

The gist of it:

uselessd (the useless daemon, or the daemon that uses less... depending on your viewpoint) is a project which aims to reduce systemd to a base initd, process supervisor and transactional dependency system, while minimizing intrusiveness and isolationism. Basically, it’s systemd with the superfluous stuff cut out, a (relatively) coherent idea of what it wants to be, support for non-glibc platforms and an approach that aims to minimize complicated design.

uselessd is still in its early stages and it is not recommended for regular use or system integration, but nonetheless, below is what we have thus far.

They then go on to tout being able to compile on libc implementations besides glibc, stripping out unnecessary daemons and unit classes, working without udev or the journal, replacing systemd-fsck with a service file, and early work on a FreeBSD port (though not yet running).

Responses from the wider Linux community are yet to be heard.

 
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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 21 2014, @11:42AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 21 2014, @11:42AM (#96260)

    And for that, we'll have to distance ourselves a little bit from this systemd debate. As I understand it will remain possible to run debian for a few years to come without systemd, and in this time things will crystallize out. It will turn out to be a fiasco, or not. Like with Pulseaudio - in the beginning it was utter shite and I routinely uninstalled it. But some years later it's actually pretty cool and usable.
    Time will tell, and we should celebrate the fact that everyone can fork anything, and in the end the best solution will prevail.

  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 21 2014, @01:54PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 21 2014, @01:54PM (#96316)

    Time will tell, and we should celebrate the fact that everyone can fork anything, and in the end the best solution will prevail.

    Correction: Time will tell us what Linux's corporate overlords think is the best solution...for them. Now that Linux is mainstream, I wouldn't expect the same kind of excitement and optimism in the community that we saw 20 years ago. That excitement is dead. It's the new Microsoft (which pains me to say, believe me).

    The ranting lunatic above (whose name I won't repeat here) is representative of the systemd crowd. Their demeanour and personality is carefully calculated to create maximum shock impact in discussion forums. They show up, insult people, use profanity, and generally cow everyone into submission.

    That's what we're used to, and should expect out of the systemd proponents: get used to it.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 22 2014, @03:11AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 22 2014, @03:11AM (#96566)

      I think you're right. Those kinds of people have trashed Firefox, they've trashed GNOME, and now they're trashing the goddamn init system. Everything those kind of people touch turns to utter shit.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 21 2014, @03:27PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 21 2014, @03:27PM (#96346)

    Nah, pulseaudio it's still shite

  • (Score: 2) by cykros on Sunday September 21 2014, @08:57PM

    by cykros (989) on Sunday September 21 2014, @08:57PM (#96445)

    Err, it's still possible to run Debian with systems other than sysvinit or systemd. BSD init, while not common, doesn't really have anything about it stopping you from throwing it on.

    I'd still argue that including pulseaudio by default is a poor choice. Giving a distro geared at new users a sound system with more complexity added on top of the already complex enough (with the messiest documentation around) ALSA all too often runs into "I got my system installed, but sound doesn't work, and argh, this is frustrating...screw it, I'm reinstalling Windows 8." While pulseaudio does have real advantages, it's unnecessary to have a base functioning system up and running that is fine for most people. If you have a single soundcard, and an asoundrc included to set up dmix by default, chances are, pulse is unnecessary for you (and will actively get in the way of things like Flash, wine, or certain other applications unless you get into some crazy asoundrc sorcery...good luck wading through the documentation).

    At least when pulseaudio is installed by choice, at the time of that choice, information can be passed along to the user as to what considerations they may have when it comes to configuration. Including it by default continues the impression that "Linux in general is difficult and complicated and is best left to nerds". If that's the goal, then I'd say pulse is great for achieving it...other than the fact that it's often the nerds who have avoided using it altogether, and the noobs being stuck with it and only each other to ask for support. A clusterfuck if ever there was one.