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Ireland to impose 5km travel limit in strict new Covid lockdown:
Ireland is to close much of its economy and society in a second Covid-19 lockdown that imposes some of the severest restrictions in Europe.
Non-essential shops will close and people are asked to stay at home, with a 5km (3 mile) travel limit for exercise, to curb surging infection rates, the government announced on Monday evening.
From midnight on Wednesday the country will move to its highest lockdown tier for six weeks. Visits to private homes or gardens will not be permitted and there are to be no gatherings except for tightly controlled weddings and funerals.
A graduated fine system for those who breach the 5km travel limit – with exceptions for work and other purposes deemed essential – will be announced later this week. People who live alone or are parenting alone can pair with one other household as part of a support bubble. Two households can meet outdoors within the travel limit. Public transport will operate at 25% capacity.
Non-essential retail will close along with barbers' shops, beauty salons, gyms, leisure centres and cultural amenities. Pubs, cafes and restaurants will be allowed to serve takeout meals only, a devastating blow to an already weakened hospitality sector.
(Score: 4, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday October 25 2020, @11:26AM (40 children)
Them folks are looking for a bloody revolution, telling the Irish they can't go to the pub.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 25 2020, @12:53PM (10 children)
Hasn't happened yet, they've been closed all summer,
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-ireland-economy/still-closed-irish-pubs-show-shortcomings-of-slow-lockdown-exit-idUSKBN2650YC [reuters.com] (from September 14, 2020)
(Score: 4, Interesting) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday October 25 2020, @01:02PM (9 children)
Dude, why you wanna ruin a perfectly good joke on the stereotype by taking it seriously?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 5, Touché) by looorg on Sunday October 25 2020, @01:24PM (8 children)
Well according to the mods the joke just was not all that funny. You should have added something about potatoes, gingers or famine. That would really have hit the spot.
(Score: 4, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday October 25 2020, @03:08PM (1 child)
Scuse me, I meant perfectly functional not perfectly good. I was going for a groan not a belly laugh.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 25 2020, @04:12PM
+1 touche for me, the AC! Yay!!!
(now I'll get downmodded for gloating...).
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 25 2020, @04:24PM (5 children)
Guess which country has the largest population of gingers?
...step forward, the USofA. (ok, yes, that's courtesy of all the descendants of the Irish, Scots and Jewish immigrants..)
Now gingers as a percentages of the population...ISTR there's a dispute as to if it's the Irish or Scots who win that one.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 25 2020, @04:40PM
https://www.memecenter.com/fun/75576/Redhead-vs-Ginger [memecenter.com]
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday October 26 2020, @12:20AM (3 children)
WRONG!!! SO WRONG! Per capita, no country on Earth has a greater population of gingers than Gilligan's Island.
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 26 2020, @05:45AM (2 children)
+1 Groan?
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday October 26 2020, @06:27PM (1 child)
Oh snap! You don't like Ginger? So, you're in the Mary Ann camp, then? On second thought, as it's 2020 you could be in the Mrs. Howell or even Gilligan camp...
Washington DC delenda est.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 27 2020, @03:25PM
How about Ginger *and* Mary Ann [motherless.com]? [NSFW]
Or Ginger, Mary Ann *and* Lovey [motherless.com]? [also NSFW]
Now that would have made for some *must see TV* [wikipedia.org]!
(Score: 3, Interesting) by khallow on Sunday October 25 2020, @12:53PM (23 children)
The number of deaths from covid presently is somewhat better in Ireland than Sweden (crudely 400 deaths per million versus 600 deaths per million), but that's a lot of sacrifice for the extra lives lost.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 25 2020, @02:23PM (7 children)
Thank [thehill.com] our almighty (Protestant) God [bbc.com] we have everything under control [nbcnews.com] here in America, [npr.org] unlike those dirty, potato-eating papists [wsj.com]!
(Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Sunday October 25 2020, @03:34PM (6 children)
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 25 2020, @04:03PM (5 children)
Traitor! Benedict Arnold! Quisling! You belong in prison for lies that contradict our wonderful President!
Our glorious leader told us we're the BEST on the CHINA VIRUS [bbc.com]!
Nobody dies from the CHINA VIRUS! It's all a HOAX perpetrated by AOC+three! They want to kill us all by making us wear masks!
They HATE AMERICA and want SHARIA LAW all across our great nation, so all those thousands of young, virile Muslim men waiting across the border in all those MEXICAN countries [ox.ac.uk] to come and put us in FEMA concentration camps and rape our women and girls, making brown babies!!!!
We all know that the CHINA VIRUS is almost gone. And will be completely gone before November 3rd [irishtimes.com], unless our fearless leader isn't re-elected. If that happens, EVERYBODY GONNA DIE!
And anyone (like you) who disagrees deserves a meal of hot lead, you traitorous scum!
And all the exclamation points are absolutely necessary!!!!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 25 2020, @08:05PM (4 children)
Satirical conservatism is a lot funnier than your usual - maybe you should have dementia episodes more often?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 25 2020, @09:20PM (3 children)
Whoever you think I am (presumably you think I'm Ari), you're wrong.
In fact, I do that sort of shit pretty regularly.
That said, thanks for not getting Poe'd. That's so tiresome.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday October 27 2020, @02:11AM (2 children)
Unless, of course, you are Ari. Then he's right. There's no point to arguing identity on the internet when you're not willing to provide the slightest bit of bona fides.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 27 2020, @03:20PM (1 child)
Of course. But I'm not "arguing identity." Just stating he plain facts.
I don't care it you or GP accept those facts. So if you want to believe that I am Aristarchus, by all means do so. It's no skin off my nose.
I would point out that my writing style (which is similar whether I post AC or not) is demonstrably different than Ari's.
I guess the real question is "does it really matter?"
I'd say "no."
(Score: 0, Redundant) by khallow on Tuesday October 27 2020, @03:27PM
Unless, they aren't facts, plain or otherwise.
Ari probably has other accounts with other writing styles.
(Score: 2, Troll) by legont on Sunday October 25 2020, @03:41PM (14 children)
Can we discuss why the numbers are so different in the US? Consider 26,058 cases with 1,848 deaths in NJ vs. 48,387 cases with 588 in ND?
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by khallow on Sunday October 25 2020, @03:55PM (2 children)
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 25 2020, @04:20PM
Early on, lots of people had covid and didn't know it (or couldn't be tested--no tests available), so I'm guessing that a big part of the discrepancy is that NJ actually had many more non-lethal cases than that, it's just that they were not reported.
As I've noted before, it takes a long time to really figure out what happened. Eventually it will be possible to look at historical trends and then look for "excess deaths" in certain causes of death (have to correct for many things, like much less exposure from highway accidents).
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 25 2020, @05:55PM
You're forgetting the political leadership. ND is republican run, they have no desire to pump up numbers to support the democrat narrative.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by RedGreen on Sunday October 25 2020, @04:15PM (1 child)
"Can we discuss why the numbers are so different in the US? Consider 26,058 cases with 1,848 deaths in NJ vs. 48,387 cases with 588 in ND?"
I would think it is due to the idea in the NY and NJ area at the start of it in the spring it got into the seniors homes. They drop like flies in them places we have next to nothing for the disease here it is a non event really. Except at the start where the selfish disease spreading bastard that started it by still having to go on their vacation when the planes were flying empty in Europe. They worked in a seniors home or were a family member of someone there where they spread it. When it was all over and done with, close to 60 people were dead in that large building. All of them seniors, the other five or six who have died since then in that time were seniors outside of that one institution who had the vast majority of the deaths. Now we get a case or two a week all due to travellers going outside of our area coming back. The selfish cocksuckers are still getting on planes and flying into disease infested areas and coming back sick. At least we are not getting any community transmission due to it yet, hopefully our luck continues to hold.
"I modded down, down, down, and the flames went higher." -- Sven Olsen
(Score: 2) by legont on Monday October 26 2020, @01:29AM
Yes, governors of tri-state area killed a lot of seniors when they ordered nursing homes to accept covid patients, but nevertheless they count for roughly 30% of the dead. It does not explain 6-7 times lower ND death rate.
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 25 2020, @04:55PM (2 children)
The numbers in the US are different because of a divide-by-zero error. You see, the US, being the Land of Make-Believe, uses the Imaginary Number System.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 25 2020, @05:42PM
The US has a large set of irrational numbers.
(Score: 2) by captain normal on Sunday October 25 2020, @09:04PM
No they are not imaginary. It's merely alternate numbers from the Alternate Number System.
"It is easier to fool someone than it is to convince them that they have been fooled" Mark Twain
(Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 25 2020, @05:06PM (3 children)
Those numbers aren't accurate. In NJ, there have been 227,339 cases and 14,492 deaths. [arcgis.com]
In ND there have been 37,718 cases and 456 deaths. [nd.gov]
That makes NJ's Case Fatality Rate (CFR) = (14,492/227,339 = ~6.4%) and 0.16% of NJ's total population
And ND's CFR = (456/37,718 = ~1.2%) and 0.06% of ND's total population
The majority of deaths/cases in NJ were much, much higher in the March-May time frame, when we had less information on how to test/trace and treat folks. [arcgis.com]
Cases in North Dakota were much lower in that time frame, and cases have been exploding for the last two months. [nd.gov]
Also, NJ has a population density of 1,211 people/sq. mile, while ND has a population density of 9.7 people/sq. mile. Higher population density having a strong impact on transmission.
What's more, NJ is the most densely populated state in the US with nearly 9 million people in an area of 8,729 sq. miles, while ND has the 47th (out of 50) population density and has a population nearly 12 times smaller (~762,000) in an area nearly nine times larger (70,700 sq. miles).
Given the much lower population density of ND, the better and more formalized treatment protocols since May, as well as much stricter isolation of vulnerable populations and more widespread testing/tracing, coupled with the much later onset of widespread transmission there, it's unsurprising that the death rate is much lower in ND than in NJ.
Does that answer some of your questions?
(Score: 2) by legont on Monday October 26 2020, @01:25AM
So, the death rate in ND is what - roughly 6-7 times lower than in NJ while the post I replied to compared Ireland with Sweden where the difference is just 20-30%; probably way withing noise level, but people are using it to compare policies, which are hugely different.
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 2) by legont on Monday October 26 2020, @02:09AM (1 child)
This is misleading. About a third of ND population resides in Fargo metropolitan area where density is above 2000 ppl/sq mile.
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 26 2020, @06:14PM
NJ has a bunch of rural areas too, so the density in Newark, etc (near NY City) is hugely higher than the state average.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 25 2020, @05:17PM
Those numbers are wrong, as I discuss in another comment [soylentnews.org].
This site [statista.com] (Javasrcript required) will give you lots of details around what you're curious about.
It's actually sitting in the submissions queue [soylentnews.org] right now, in fact. I did not submit it though.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 25 2020, @09:50PM
It’s not the people who die that count. It’s the people who count the deaths.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 25 2020, @02:03PM (4 children)
"with exceptions for work and other purposes deemed essential"
(Score: 1, Redundant) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday October 25 2020, @03:09PM (3 children)
They're Irish, going to the pub itself is considered essential.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 25 2020, @04:23PM (2 children)
This joke fell as flat as your first one, sorry, it's just not your day.
Irish, pub/alcohol, [needs another hook to work]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 25 2020, @04:59PM
Or a good setup,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZcrFHqQRPU [youtube.com]
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday October 25 2020, @09:42PM
You're going to need to work on your sense of humor if you ever plan on having sons/daughters/nieces/nephews. There's a very good reason Dad Jokes are a thing.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.