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Physicists at the University of Geneva (UNIGE) ( http://cms.unige.ch/gap/quantum/wiki/research:quantum_communication:teleportation ) have succeeded in teleporting the quantum state of a photon to a crystal over 25 kilometres of optical fibre. The experiment, carried out in the laboratory of Professor Nicolas Gisin, constitutes a first, and simply pulverises the previous record of 6 kilometres achieved ten years ago by the same UNIGE team. Passing from light into matter, using teleportation of a photon to a crystal, shows that, in quantum physics, it is not the composition of a particle which is important, but rather its state, since this can exist and persist outside such extreme differences as those which distinguish light from matter.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/09/140921145007.htm
(Score: 4, Funny) by wonkey_monkey on Wednesday September 24 2014, @12:54AM
In the words of Homer Simpson:
"Brilliant!
I have absolutely no idea what's going on."
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(Score: 2) by SpockLogic on Wednesday September 24 2014, @12:45PM
Beam me up, Scotty.
Overreacting is one thing, sticking your head up your ass hoping the problem goes away is another - edIII
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 24 2014, @01:01AM
If experiments such as this will eventually yield a 'the universe/(your favorite diety) has been fucking with us all this time!' in regards to these experiments working in a lab versus practically (or at all) working in the real world.
(Score: 2) by Leebert on Wednesday September 24 2014, @01:02AM
I'm glad to see such research into teleportation. We're going to need another technology to fill the perpetual "just 20 years in the future" role as soon as we get that whole fusion thing working, and teleportation is definitely a good candidate! :)
(Score: 2) by jasassin on Wednesday September 24 2014, @01:45AM
What purpose does this serve? What does teleporting quantum states of photons do? Let's say its a billion light years distance... what use is it?
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(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 24 2014, @02:01AM
The most meaningful purpose of all: It advances our understanding.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by deimios on Wednesday September 24 2014, @03:17AM
Faster Than Light communication would be the logical application.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 24 2014, @04:20AM
You can't use quantum teleportation for faster-than-light communication. The interesting part of quantum teleportation is that normally you can't put a particle in a specific desired quantum state with only classical interactions. Quantum teleportation is a workaround for that. It could be useful for communication between two quantum computers.
(Score: 4, Funny) by q.kontinuum on Wednesday September 24 2014, @04:22AM
Apparently not [wikipedia.org]. (Although I didn't really understand, why. The article leaves some comforting feeling of dawning understanding- until I think properly about it. It's probably quantum as well, you can either feel you understood or you can try to think about it, but not both at the same time with full intensity.)
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(Score: 2) by stormwyrm on Wednesday September 24 2014, @04:57AM
What use is it, you ask? It's a physical illustration of the fundamental behaviour of quantum-mechanical systems, an illustration of the basic laws of the universe as we have understood them since Einstein's day [wikipedia.org]. Asking what purpose it serves is like asking what is the purpose behind something like gravity or electromagnetism. It's a meaningless question. If engineers can find a way to make use of this principle to do something useful like, say, transmit information in a way that cannot be eavesdropped upon, that would be nice, but that's not the "purpose" of this thing. The universe is not teleological!
Numquam ponenda est pluralitas sine necessitate.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by q.kontinuum on Wednesday September 24 2014, @04:04AM
How is the distance relevant to the gain in understanding? Is there any serious doubt it will work in longer distances? Or is it more of practical relevance, to hold the record to secure future funding? (Or - less cynical, - to apply it for quantum cryptography one day?)
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(Score: 2) by cafebabe on Wednesday September 24 2014, @07:28AM
I'd like to see this working over a larger distance because it would allow quantum key exchange between data centers, between a data center and a user and between users [soylentnews.org].
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(Score: 3, Informative) by q.kontinuum on Wednesday September 24 2014, @06:03AM
As far as I understood, the point of quantum entanglement is that
Now I tried to find out, but I didn't find this information anywhere: How is the the assumption motivated that the particles actually have a superposition, having both spins simultaneously, rather than having their spins determined right from the start?
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(Score: 2) by cafebabe on Wednesday September 24 2014, @07:22AM
I believe that it is from the Pauli exclusion principle [wikipedia.org].
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(Score: 2) by q.kontinuum on Wednesday September 24 2014, @10:31AM
Thanks. I didn't understand it yet, but that could take some time, so thanks already :-)
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(Score: 2) by wonkey_monkey on Wednesday September 24 2014, @10:02PM
I think it was Brian Greene who wrote up a fairly easy to understand version of Bell's theorem [wikipedia.org].
Easy to understand while reading, anyway - I could never remember the details for very long afterward. But it involved Mulder and Scully each receiving a number of numbered boxes, each of which had three lights with buttons on orthogonal sides. When Mulder and Scully picked the same box and pushed the same button, they got the same colour light (in "real life" it would be opposite lights for the opposite spins, but he simplified it slightly).
As I say I can't remember the details, but there was something in the statistics of the experiment (which involved both of them taking the same box but selecting a side at random for themselves) that you could measure to prove that the lights weren't predetermined.
Or I may have it completely wrong. I must dig that book out again sometime.
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(Score: 2) by q.kontinuum on Thursday September 25 2014, @07:21AM
Thanks, with your keywords I found this [scientificamerican.com] interesting blog entry. Still, it raises some interesting questions:
According to the blog it is proven via statistical measurement, that the state of entangled particles is not predefined and hidden to us, but actually determined at the time of measurement. So, what happens if 3 particles are entangled [scientificamerican.com], and one is sent 25 lightyears away? If the quantum state of that particle ia collapsed, the state of the other two entangled particles should be predefines as well, even if not known to the local team. Basically we should have a pair of local entangled particles with now predefined state.
According to Bells Theoreme, given a big enough amouny of these particles, it should be possible to statistically prove that the remote particles were measured, thus transferring one bit of information.
Where is my mistake? (Not talking about typos... This comment was painfully written on a smartphone...)
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(Score: 2) by wonkey_monkey on Thursday September 25 2014, @12:09PM
I assume you meant "defined" where you've used "predefined" here.
Off the top of my head, I'd guess the reason you can't do that is that you can't actually measure whether or not a particle is in a superposition. Can a real physicist chip in here? ;)
Since the local particles are entangled, you'll always find them in the same state no matter when you measure them, even if you do it before the distant particle has been measured.
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(Score: 2) by q.kontinuum on Thursday September 25 2014, @12:46PM
That's what I was thinking initially: How do we know the particles from the original article are in a superposition and not just have the same internal state already? Apparently, Bells theorem is a way to detect this difference. So, in other words, my conclusion is:
I think there is an error somewhere in my considerations because otherwise I'd think others would have thought of this before. But I can't spot the error. Probably it is related to my lack of deep understanding of "the Bell thing", but if that's the case I will come back to my original question and ask, what is the reason to assume that particles ever have the superposition rather than already having the final state, with us just being unable to see it?
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(Score: 2) by wonkey_monkey on Thursday September 25 2014, @05:15PM
It's not. It provides a way to test whether or not spin, in general, is a hidden variable or a quantum one - and it's a quantum one, always - but it's not a test you can apply to a single photon (or pair) for a yes/no answer.
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(Score: 2) by q.kontinuum on Friday September 26 2014, @07:18AM
I don't want to focus too much on the Bells theorem. But I expect that there is some base for the assumption that the superposition actually exists, so particles behave somehow different depending on if they were in a superposition or if their state was defined and just not known to us; otherwise the whole theory of quantum mechanic and superposition could be axed by Occams razor.
My whole idea is, if you have three entangled particles in a superposition, and you explicitly collapse the wave function for one of them, the wave function of the remaining two should also collapse. If the superposition has any practical meaning at all (and I suppose it does, afaik that's the whole point of e.g. quantum computers), it should be possible to detect/test this without knowing anything about the third particle.
As I understood the explanation, the Bell theorem should prove the superposition on a statistical base, not for a single photon. (According to the link [scientificamerican.com] I posted, there is an experiment with a probability of 50% for a certain outcome when the state is predefined, and 55% probability when the particles are in a superposition. So, with the 10^6 particle pairs I mentioned in my previous post, there are 1 million experiments which should be enough to get a halfway certain answer to the question if the probability was 50 or 55 percent, i.e. if the particles where in a superposition or not. If this is not certain enough, increase the number of particles.)
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(Score: 2) by wonkey_monkey on Friday September 26 2014, @12:32PM
My whole idea is, if you have three entangled particles in a superposition, and you explicitly collapse the wave function for one of them, the wave function of the remaining two should also collapse.
Yes, it will, but measuring one of the other two photons also collapses the wavefunction. There's no information to be gleaned.
As I understood the explanation, the Bell theorem should prove the superposition on a statistical base, not for a single photon.
It proves it for all photons, everywhere, always - it's not true for some groups of photons and untrue for others.
According to the link I posted, there is an experiment with a probability of 50% for a certain outcome when the state is predefined, and 55% probability when the particles are in a superposition.
"Being in a predefined state" is not the opposite of "being in a superposition." When you say "when the state is predefined" - well, it never is, that's what the Bell theorem's experiments tell us. You can only "force" a photon into a definite (not predefinite) state along a single axis. As soon as you do, the state along all other axes is undefined (albeit probabilistically correlated with the original measurement, depending on the new axis). Measure along the same axis again, and you'll get the same measurement. Measure along a nearby axis, and you'll probably get the same measurement, but maybe not. And as soon as you make that second measurement, spin along the original axis becomes undefined (albeit probabilistically correlated to the new axis in the same manner as before).
"Being in a predefined state" was one way of explaining the quantum behaviour of certain particle properties, but the Bell theorem experiments proved it not to be true.
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(Score: 2) by iwoloschin on Wednesday September 24 2014, @10:58AM
So how long until we have a working ansible?
(Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Wednesday September 24 2014, @12:55PM
When I think of quantum teleportation, I think of the ultimate darknets.
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