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Journal by fustakrakich

That the Democrats lose House seats, do not win the Senate and barely manage to drag their demented presidential candidate towards a stalemate tells a lot about their lack of sane policies. A donor party completely disinterested in what the people really want - medicare for all, no fracking etc. - will have little chance to survive a future onslaught of conservatives with a more competent figure head than Donald Trump. ...should Trump lose this election, Trumpism will only grow and make the U.S. ungovernable.

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  • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday November 05 2020, @04:18PM (29 children)

    by DeathMonkey (1380) on Thursday November 05 2020, @04:18PM (#1073445) Journal

    Biden is up by over four million votes already.

    When all the couniting is done it will likely be as high as an eight million vote win.

    That's not close! That's electoral college ratfuckery!

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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 05 2020, @04:36PM (16 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 05 2020, @04:36PM (#1073454)

    You fail to understand your own political system. It is the election of a President of 50 States, not of 320 million people.

    • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday November 05 2020, @04:44PM (15 children)

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Thursday November 05 2020, @04:44PM (#1073459) Journal

      We're gonna win by the rules of that system. I'm just saying it's fucked that we need at least four million extra votes to make it happen.

      National popular Vote passed in CO, by the way. Sorry khallow!

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by fustakrakich on Thursday November 05 2020, @04:58PM (14 children)

        by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday November 05 2020, @04:58PM (#1073468) Journal

        I'm just saying it's fucked that we need at least four million extra votes to make it happen.

        No, it's fucked, that despite all his hostility and bullshit, the democrats still can't get 40 million votes to make it happen. You still don't get the message.

        As predicted, congress is still ~50-50. Exactly how the Party wants it. The best the dems can accomplish is deadlock (which now we need), story of their lives..., more correctly their intention all along. The Broadway play is a smashing success

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        La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 05 2020, @05:38PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 05 2020, @05:38PM (#1073490)

          Exactly. Because if the democrats had won the prez, and overwhelming majorities in the House and the Senate, then they would actually have to govern instead of argue and complain about "obstruction". They would have no excuse, if they had all the votes.

          Now they can continue to complain about being "obstructed" by the republicans, which of course their base will believe because CNN will tell them it is true, and they can continue as they were.

          Their worst nightmare would have been to have now been on the hook for actually doing something, with only themselves to blame for the inevitable blowup.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 05 2020, @06:27PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 05 2020, @06:27PM (#1073506)
            You're not wrong to call out dems for not doing a good enough job, but repugs do NOT get a pass because yes, they have obstructed a HELL of a lot.
            • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday November 05 2020, @07:22PM

              by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday November 05 2020, @07:22PM (#1073516) Journal

              Nobody is giving the GOP a pass. The democrats catch their well deserved shit because they don't really oppose the republicans. If they did, the numbers would reflect a real massive popular support for them.

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              La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
        • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday November 05 2020, @07:51PM (9 children)

          by DeathMonkey (1380) on Thursday November 05 2020, @07:51PM (#1073524) Journal

          No, it's fucked, that despite all his hostility and bullshit, the democrats still can't get 40 million votes to make it happen.

          Biden has over 72 million votes right now. That's the most any President has ever gotten.

          Are you saying we're supposed to flip 40 million Fox viewers? I don't get what you're trying to say...

          • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday November 05 2020, @08:13PM (2 children)

            by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday November 05 2020, @08:13PM (#1073529) Journal

            Biden has over 72 million votes right now.

            So what? The other guy isn't far behind. The candidates that you cling to are not very motivational. You remain totally dependent on the other guy's fuck ups to "flip" any votes. In the meantime there's a whole shitload of non voters that you can try to convince that your party is different and not fully complicit. As usual that campaign never goes anywhere.

            And congress? Oh well... Botched that even worse. Steady as she goes...

            For Trump? Yeah, we can blame the democrats [washingtonpost.com]...

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            La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 06 2020, @09:13AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 06 2020, @09:13AM (#1073683)

              The other guy is a Looser! A Tosser! A Wanker! A Republicant! Sucks to be him! Oh, the humilitation! The shame! The personally secured loans!

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 06 2020, @09:03PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 06 2020, @09:03PM (#1073879)

              You still can't get a delusional lefty to understand that DJT didn't win, HRC lost. Literally any other Democrat would have beaten Trump. The sole thing that got him elected was half the population voting against "Killary".

              Then they tried to repeat that feat with the second most hated senile idiot they could find, and almost succeeded.

          • (Score: 1) by NPC-131072 on Thursday November 05 2020, @10:07PM

            by NPC-131072 (7144) on Thursday November 05 2020, @10:07PM (#1073558) Journal

            Hello fren,

            We must mobilize the forces of truaninonashufodoprezure.

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Thursday November 05 2020, @10:10PM (4 children)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) on Thursday November 05 2020, @10:10PM (#1073559) Homepage Journal

            Allow me to repeat that I'm a conservative minded person who would have happily voted for Tulsi. So I agree with Fusti: it's a shame that Biden wa the best you could offer.

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            Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 06 2020, @04:50AM (3 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 06 2020, @04:50AM (#1073641)

              And when it comes to Trump you say "I wish he would shut his mouth" because you're perfextly fine with his type of fascism. Here is what his good friend and founder of your favorite 'newz' site had to say recently.

              In the video of his podcast War Room: Pandemic, Bannon called for Fauci and FBI director Chris Wray to get fired at the start of President Donald Trump's second term should he be re-elected. In the video the former Breitbart executive chairman said he'd "like to go a step farther," but said "the president's a kind hearted man."

                      Disturbingly, he doesn't hesitate before saying he'd like to "go back to the old times of Tudor England" to implement medieval sentences for Fauci and Wray. "I'd put the heads on pikes, right? I'd put them at the two corners of the White House as a warning to Federal Bureaucrats: you either get with the program or you're gone.

              Quality people you prop up there boy.

              • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Friday November 06 2020, @05:32AM (2 children)

                by Runaway1956 (2926) on Friday November 06 2020, @05:32AM (#1073648) Homepage Journal

                Titty for tatty: You're happy to prop up petty dictators who have clearly stated that they have no respect for the Constitution which they are sworn to defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

                No sworn officer of the United States has sworn to defend the government, or to defend any particular office. They are sworn to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States. That includes the Second Amendment, just as much as any of the rest of the constitution.

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                Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 06 2020, @06:20AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 06 2020, @06:20AM (#1073653)

                  We are going to take you out, Runaway! We will do it by not responding to your posts. Your journals with rot and die on the vine, from lack of comments. Your election commentary will go unnoticed, un-commented upon, unremarked. We will have nothing to say to you. Yes, this is harsh, since we know you have no friends anywhere else, but for the same reasons those friends dumped you, we at SoylentNews must also bid you adieu. Goodbye , Runaway.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 06 2020, @07:39AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 06 2020, @07:39AM (#1073668)

                  zombies
                  oh
                  my
                  god

                  i've eaten your brainz runaway, and gnawed on that titty too. little too much gristle but what's a zombie gunna do? as i tried to explain, even texas has gun control. i'm not sure who i'm talking to at this point, since i can't catch a whiff of brains even around your ears. even we zombies have rotting brainz.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 06 2020, @10:06AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 06 2020, @10:06AM (#1073694)

          The best the dems can accomplish is deadlock (which now we need)

          A good number of congresscritters are ripe for covid. Keep it on the exponential like now for 2-3 weeks, overflow [youtube.com] the hospitals with Runaways and then bless mitch mcconnell and his ilk with rona.

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 05 2020, @05:31PM (7 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 05 2020, @05:31PM (#1073487)

    You knew the rules going in.

    Popular vote: Ignore it: does not count for shit.

    Electoral College Vote: this is the only thing that matters.

    If you dislike the Electoral College system, then work on convincing your congress critters to work on changing the rules.

    But don't bother pointing to a value that is meaningless when you knew what the rules were going in to the election.

    • (Score: 3, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Thursday November 05 2020, @07:35PM (6 children)

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Thursday November 05 2020, @07:35PM (#1073519) Journal

      You knew the rules going in.

      Yes, and Biden is going to win by those rules.

      Popular vote: Ignore it: does not count for shit.

      No, it demonstrates how truly unrepresentative to the will of the people the Presidency is.

      Electoral College Vote: this is the only thing that matters.

      If you dislike the Electoral College system, then work on convincing your congress critters to work on changing the rules.

      Yes and yes. I am a proponent of the National Popular Vote for the Presidency and with my direct help we just passed it in CO.

      • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday November 05 2020, @07:38PM (2 children)

        by DeathMonkey (1380) on Thursday November 05 2020, @07:38PM (#1073520) Journal

        Also, we launched Senator Corey Gardner out of town on that trebuchet from the Simpsons they launched the real Skinner with.

        That doesn't have much to do with the NPV, honestly, I'm just bragging a bit.

        • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 05 2020, @09:42PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 05 2020, @09:42PM (#1073553)

          Look at you twisting the facts. The totally not real Skinner impersonator was tied to a flat car and run out of town. Rex Banner was launched out of town by a catapult, not a trebuchet. Typical for a Y'all-Qaeda libtard to come up with alternate facts to suit their agenda! /s

      • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday November 05 2020, @09:35PM (2 children)

        by DannyB (5839) on Thursday November 05 2020, @09:35PM (#1073550) Journal

        Yes, and Biden is going to win by those rules.

        Could still be premature. (God help us all) Trump might still win.

        I'm not celebrating until it is official. Maybe not even until they have to send the military in to the white house, destroying parts of it, to drag the fascist out of there on Jan 20. But I'll wait and see what the future may hold.

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        If a minstrel has musical instruments attached to his bicycle, can it be called a minstrel cycle?
        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 05 2020, @09:45PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 05 2020, @09:45PM (#1073555)

          Nah, he'll spend a few hours "inspecting" the bunker before running like the manchild he is to pretend like he is taking the high road.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 05 2020, @11:54PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 05 2020, @11:54PM (#1073586)

          I'm not celebrating until it is official.

          Indeed. I'm not really going to breathe easy until Biden is sworn in on Inauguration Day.

          Maybe not even until they have to send the military in to the white house, destroying parts of it, to drag the fascist out of there on Jan 20.

          No. What is most likely is that just after Biden takes the oath of office the Secret Service will lift Trump up by his belt buckle, carry him out of the White House and unceremoniously dump him on the South Lawn. Either that or Trump flees in his private jet to Moscow to become (even more of) Putin's bitch.

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 05 2020, @09:40PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 05 2020, @09:40PM (#1073552)

    We dodged the bullet this time, barely, provided that NV does in fact go D or if GA goes D. It won't be so easy next time. Optimistically we have 8 years to build an alternative to the conservative Democratic party. However, I think we only have 4 years. Biden/Harris is going to be more status quo (hence conservative) neoliberalism. The failures of neoliberalism will drive a more powerful fascist movement in 4 years.

    ISA/Socialist Alternative USA: Drive Out Trump and Shut Down the System! [internationalsocialist.net]

    This election shows that the Democrats can’t decisively defeat the far right. Socialist Alternative thinks we need a new party based on the working class, which stands for seizing the wealth of the top corporations and putting them under democratic workers’ control and management.

    In a FoxNews exit poll yesterday, 72% of voters said they’re in favor of a government-run health-care program. In Florida, where Trump won, 61% of people voted for a ballot measure for a state-wide $15 an hour minimum wage. This shows that a clear appeal to working-class voters, which Bernie could have done effectively, would have likely defeated Trump in a landslide.

    Trump has criminally mishandled the COVID pandemic — leading to hundreds of thousands of U.S. deaths — overseen mass unemployment and a further slide into poverty for millions of Americans, and yet the Democrats did all they could to “snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.” They put up an embarrassing candidate who was kept out of the public eye, didn’t have a “ground game” for their campaign in key swing states, refused to adopt wildly popular policies like Medicare for All and taxing the rich, and didn’t conduct a mass voter registration campaign to get millions of new voters who despise Trump. Yet the Democrats’ biggest failings weren’t just “mistakes” but instead due to their fundamental nature as a pro-corporate party controlled by billionaire backers.

    In the final days of the campaign, Biden made clear he would never ban fracking, would never cut police funding, and would accept yet another right-wing addition to the Supreme Court. He (again!) said that cops should shoot suspects “in the leg” as his solution to racist police murders, and he refused to support Medicare for All as the election took place at the height of the pandemic. It comes as no surprise that an Axios poll showed that over 58% of Democratic voters were motivated to cast their ballots “against Trump” rather than “for Biden.”

    All this left space for Trump to portray himself as an “outsider” despite being in the White House! Trump criticized Biden from the “left” on Biden’s racist 1994 Crime Bill, as well as his support for ongoing wars and pro-corporate trade deals. This was combined with a vicious cocktail of Trump’s racism, sexism, authoritarianism, appeals to the far right, conspiracy theories, and “law and order” rhetoric.

    The Democratic Party leadership fought harder and more effectively against Bernie in the primary than they did against Trump in the general election. Yet the liberal pundits will seek to play a “blame game,” claiming that this situation is due to people who didn’t vote (especially people of color), independent voters, racist ideas in the white working class (which is a real factor), or Democrats being associated with the “radical left.” Instead, the Democratic Party leadership needs to look in the mirror to see who gave Trump the opening to try to steal this election. In addition, Sanders himself shouldn’t have capitulated to Biden, and he shouldn’t have self-censored his previous criticisms of the Democratic Party. This helped give room for Trump to appear as the anti-establishment candidate.

    (emphasis mine)

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 06 2020, @12:00AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 06 2020, @12:00AM (#1073588)

      However, I think we only have 4 years. Biden/Harris is going to be more status quo (hence conservative) neoliberalism. The failures of neoliberalism will drive a more powerful fascist movement in 4 years.

      Indeed, I think you are correct. Biden/Harris will need to score some quick victories which appeal to a broad bipartisan swathe of America. If they can manage to do that, they might manage to get four more years and pull the country back from the brink of fascism. God, I really hope they succeed in that!

    • (Score: 0, Interesting) by Ethanol-fueled on Friday November 06 2020, @06:31AM (1 child)

      by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Friday November 06 2020, @06:31AM (#1073657) Homepage

      This just might be a Pyrrhic victory for the Democrats -- even I have accepted the possibility of a Biden/Harris presidential win, however, they should be careful what they wish for. They've inherited the double-whammy of Antifa/BLM and COVID lockdowns, so it will be in peoples' minds to blame Democrats/progressives whether or not those problems magically disappear upon the Biden coronation (thanks a lot for costing small business owners our livelihoods, assholes), or if those have become Golems outside of their control and ChiCom Pelosi and her army of Jewish pedophiles in Californian government want the lockdowns extended for another couple years. Everybody knows that Trump fought the lockdowns (saying that he didn't believe in 'science' or something), so now the Democrats are stuck either further oppressing everybody or tacitly admitting that it was all a sham.

      It's now mainstream in my city that businesses are going to disobey any further lockdown orders, I'm seeing more and more people shed the masks even in official capacity. Keep the people locked down and we might just see patriots fighting alongside Antifa and BLM, and it won't be pretty for Jewish neighborhoods -- though it would be the desired outcome for Chinks and Jews who want to see America fall and buy cheap property as results of strife and misery. Big tech already pissed off people (except Jews) on both sides and revealed who they actually are, and that even folks who toe the line can be deplatformed on a whim.

      Should Biden and Kamala win, their best option is to do nothing and pretend Republicans are stopping them from doing anything, just like how the last 4 years have been. Americans will still be broke while Israel gets its billions of funding and American soldiers dying for them in the sandbox, but at least domestic unrest will be staved off around the homefront.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 06 2020, @09:17AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 06 2020, @09:17AM (#1073684)

        Poor Ethanol_fearaddled! The Jew-bear is gonna get him. Now he has no where to hide, unemployed, friendless, in Greenland?