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Journal by fustakrakich
That the Democrats lose House seats, do not win the Senate and barely manage to drag their demented presidential candidate towards a stalemate tells a lot about their lack of sane policies. A donor party completely disinterested in what the people really want - medicare for all, no fracking etc. - will have little chance to survive a future onslaught of conservatives with a more competent figure head than Donald Trump. ...should Trump lose this election, Trumpism will only grow and make the U.S. ungovernable.
"Can't Count Votes? Just Draw Straws."
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L'etat c'est moi.
[I am the state.]
-- Louis XIV
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 06 2020, @01:12AM (10 children)
Go declare yourself a subject of the British Crown, then.
You seem to be opposed to acts like:
1) Taking someone else's tea and dumping it into a harbor
2) Tarring and feathering government officials who don't respect people's freedom
3) Rioting in protest of a government that doesn't respect people's rights
4) Setting fire to buildings used or owned by government officials when the government doesn't respect people's rights
5) Taking up arms and declaring independence from an oppressive government
These are all things that happened in colonial America. Since you spend so much time complaining about rioting and looting, surely you must agree that these actions were wrong in colonial America. Therefore, you should go declare yourself a subject of the British Crown.
In your logic, it's a travesty if the government says you have to wear a mask in public places to avoid spreading COVID-19. But you seem okay with police killing black people, including the flawed execution of a no-knock warrant that resulted in the killing of Breonna Taylor.
You rightly object when protesters block ambulances and fire engines, which places people's lives at risk. But you seem okay with police killing unarmed black people by mistake.
You say that you want weapons to protect yourself from tyranny and maintain your freedoms. But when black people are armed and actually do declare autonomy from a government that doesn't respect their rights, then it's a travesty.
You take very extreme positions demanding that government not take away any of your liberties, even to protect the freedoms of others. But when black people want liberty, too, then you become a statist bootlicker.
(Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Friday November 06 2020, @02:07AM (9 children)
Each of those acts you describe happening before and during the American revolution were punishable by summary execution, if/when caught by any British authority, right? The revolutionaries took their chances - your rioters are taking their chances. If your rioters get caught trying to set fire to a restaurant with occupied dwellings above, they are subject to whatever preventive action might be imposed at the scene, up to and including death, or as prescribed by authority if captured.
Now you say his name. Who was all but run over by a police car as two police bailed out of that car, guns blazing, and was filled with bullet holes within two seconds of the car coming to a halt. I have a whole list of names for you to say. But I will choose when and if I will say any names, thank you very much.
For you viewing pleasure - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AlZv6Vv7IsE [youtube.com]
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 06 2020, @03:03AM (8 children)
Saying her name means acknowledging the injustice that occurred. Refusing to say her name or even address the injustice that occurred means you refuse to acknowledge the injustice.
Breonna Taylor wasn't a rioter or a looter. She was innocent. The police executed the no-knock warrant at the wrong address. A mistake does not make it legal or justified. No innocent person should have to fear that a SWAT team is going to bust down the door of their apartment without warning and kill them.
You rightly complain about civil asset forfeiture. You don't like it when the police seize an innocent person's money and possessions on the basis of a suspicion. But you won't acknowledge the injustice of the police killing an innocent black woman.
Your refusal to say Breonna Taylor's name speaks volumes. You've showed your true character once again. We're done here.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday November 06 2020, @03:30AM (7 children)
I have not refused to say her name. I have refused to perform on cue for you.
Do you know the name of the person I referenced above? If not, why not? That person is important, because the case demonstrates clearly why VIDEO evidence is important. The person I mention was the first clear, convincing instance of pretty obvious abuse of police power, based on race alone, that I was exposed to. Always in the past, it was the "suspect's" word, against the word of the police. The young person I mentioned was all but run over by a police car, and the cops exited that car with guns blazing. Some people still defend the police, but to me, it is a pretty clear execution.
Say his name. Have you ever heard of him? Have you forgotten him? You started this game - I will have a word in how the game is played, or I'll not play at all.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 06 2020, @04:57AM (5 children)
Nah, you're more of a spoiled child that will take his ball home because no one else wants to let him be the little dictator of the group. Amusing how you think no one else is paying attention to your bullshit, but you don't get to rewrite history or control other people. Be a goddamn human beimg for once i stead of this twisted tribal lunatic that refuses to see his own flaws. Leave that to TMB who seems biologically incapable. You? Just a brainwashed propaganda parrot, but you could grow out of it.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday November 06 2020, @05:26AM (4 children)
Wrong. You're probably one of the assholes who marched along the streets, interrupting people's days, demanding that they respond as you demand. If not, you were there in spirit.
You don't know who Tamir Rice was, or you would willingly have played along with me. You don't seem to have any memory and/or respect for innocent children gunned down because "Nigger with a gun!"
There is a rather long list of names, but it appears that you don't remember the list.
Breonna Taylor? You want to hear her name? Yeah, I can say her name - she was an innocent woman whose home was broken into, and murdered as she slept. I can go further into detail, but it is enough to know that she had done nothing wrong on the night in question. Rat bastards kicked her door in, and started shooting into her apartment in the middle of the night. Rest in peace, Breonna.
Humor me. List those INNOCENT black people who have been captured on video gasping out their last breaths. Key word, innocent. People who were clearly guilty of no wrong doing, when they were killed.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 06 2020, @06:38AM (3 children)
Different AC here. Don't know if you saw any of the backstory. I HATE the cops, "civil forfeiture", guilty until proven innocent, etc. But if you saw the pictures they had of Breonna, you might slightly understand how they got themselves way overly supercharged. They love the whole busting doors down thing anyway. A couple of grenade booby-traps might have helped.
The worst of it, I think, is Breonna's boyfriend was the one they were looking for, and he shot one of the cops first. Horrible cowards killed her and boyfriend didn't get a scratch. Those cops need to never be allowed to have a gun ever again. Nor fingers.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 06 2020, @07:41AM
pro-tip: don't argue with a cuck race theorist.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday November 06 2020, @08:35AM (1 child)
Civil forfeiture is indeed another gross injustice. That isn't a strictly racial injustice, but I see that it might be a greater burden on black people than on white.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 06 2020, @09:21AM
Goddamnit. Finally feel sure.
Go do some shots for me and a rail off the nearest titty, or are you just another working stiff?
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 06 2020, @07:06AM
I'm the AC you responded to above. I don't read minds, but you were talking about Tamir Rice. What happened to him was extremely wrong. Police go into situations looking for a confrontation. Instead of telling Tamir to put his hands up, they should have tried just talking to him normally. He'd probably be alive if the police had acted responsibly.
I'm from St. Louis but I don't live there any longer. I went to school for four years at UM-St. Louis, which is about a mile from where the Ferguson riots happened. The motto of the St. Louis County police is "To serve and protect." Police shouldn't think they can just order people around, bully them, and use force whenever anyone questions them. They're supposed to serve and protect us.
Just a few months ago, I was out walking at night in a fairly nice neighborhood. I had a friend out with me and we were taking a socially distanced walk. Because the color of our shirts matched two out of three people who had been breaking into cars earlier in the evening. The officer who stopped us had a bad attitude and she was immediately being a smartass for no reason. It wasn't until more officers showed up who had seen us out walking earlier in the evening that we were told we were free to go. She was looking for trouble with flimsy reasoning. There was no physical description of the suspects beyond the color of our shirts. Given that I'm very short and I have a weight problem, had I been responsible, it should have been very easy to describe me to the police. I had a white shirt on and my friend's shirt was red. We're in Lincoln, Nebraska, where red and white are the colors of the Huskers. A red and a white shirt would match a huge part of the population. That officer just wanted trouble and we were fortunate.
By the way, Ferguson isn't the disaster area people think. UMSL's campus was a country club just a few decades ago. The neighborhoods around the campus were once very affluent. There are a lot of very nice old houses right near campus. I never felt unsafe as a white person in a predominately black neighborhood. But there are a number of ticket mills in the area and plenty of cops around looking for trouble.
Police really aren't very good at solving crimes, nor are they very good at curbing traffic violations. Now, we really do need someone to investigate crimes. We need someone to respond when we call 911 because we're in danger. But we don't need patrols that are looking to ticket and harass people to get revenue for cities and target black people. The problem is that last part encompasses a lot of what police officers do. When we talk about abolishing the police, we want to get rid of the patrols and buillshit like civil asset forfeiture. We want to stop the war on drugs and programs like stop and frisk that have been implemented in a very racist manner and aren't helpful. Abolishing the police doesn't mean we want anarchy. It does mean replacing the police with people whose purpose is to serve and protect.
To your credit, you said Breonna Taylor's name and admitted she was the victim of a horrible injustice. And Tamir Rice damn well should be alive today, too. Worse yet, police are rarely held accountable when they abuse their power.