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Debian Jesse is going to have Gnome3 as the default desktop.
The desktop re-qualification page, used to help choose which desktop will be default, has in the Jesse version a weight for systemd integration, and of course only Gnome3 does it (at least for now). This will surely make the systemd/gnome3 fanbase happy, but possibly will make others unhappy, as it [may] be seen as another step towards mono-culture, until we soon end up with all distros being redhat clones.
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(Score: 2) by drussell on Wednesday September 24 2014, @03:02PM
Mass migration to FreeBSD?
I have some freebsd experimental tests scheduled this weekend, going to be interesting.
20 years ago this month I was downloading SLS linux floppy disk images from a local BBS and trying this new linux thing I had heard about on usenet.
Hmm, now that I think about it, it was about that time that I first FTP'd into wcarchive.cdrom.com and saw the login readme which said something to the effect:
"Welcome to Walnut Creek CD-ROM's FTP Server... The hardware is [blah blah] and the operating system is FreeBSD. Should you wish to get your own copy it is available in pub/FreeBSD..."
The realization that there was a UNIX that ran on i386 hardware was a shocker and I was downloading the files to make install floppies for FreeBSD version 1 within minutes! :) IIRC, it was about version 1.1.5 when I first set up a dedicated FreeBSD server box and I wan 1.1.7.x on a couple machines for YEARS before upgrading to version 2.x as things progressed. I remember trying to put the only 387 I had (a 16 MHz chip) onto a 386/40 board but couldn't clock it above 20 MHz, IIRC or the math came out all wrong, so I put on my coat and went off to the wholesaler and bought my first
personal 486 board and chip... :) That machine ran it's entire life (was about 10 years continuous!) without crashing due to software. The only times it was ever powered off were two or three kernel change reboots with an air dusting/cleaning of the chassis innards and hard disk additions, one power failure due to the charger in the UPS blowing up and the UPS shutting off in protection mode and one time where I didn't want to ruin my 700+ day uptime so I tried yanking out an ISA SCSI controller with the power on (it had 2 SCSI controllers in it at the time, one VLB Adaptec and an ISA originally basically just for the tape drive) needed the unused ISA one which crashed it. (I had synced the disks first, luckily, LOL)
Now I've got Sgt. Pepper "It was 20 years ago today!" running through my head! :)
Not one software-bug induced crash in over 10 years of service before retiring the ol' 486, typically 300-500+ days of uptime between reboots, FFS... Try THAT on a Microsoft box of that era! HA! :)
(Score: 2) by VLM on Wednesday September 24 2014, @03:49PM
From memory around that time, wasn't there some peculiar restriction like linux worked with common PATA IDE hard drives but *BSD only had drivers for like three models of SCSI card so it was SCSI or nothin' with the BSDs? (And SCSI hardware cost about twice as much as IDE, although it was probably 10x as fast?) It was definitely a hardware reason like that, which kept me away from BSDs. Maybe it was graphics like my 256K VGA card worked in text mode but the BSDs only spoke to EGA cards or something. It was definitely something hardware related that kept me away from the BSDs.
Do you remember the holy wars of IDE vs SCSI which as usual the technologically superior system lost? I remember old IDE interfaces masking interrupts for like a second per access. And you could tell at the command line just by how responsive the system was / low interrupt latency if you were on a IDE or SCSI box.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 24 2014, @11:14PM
Uhhhh, no, that was never the case.
(Score: 2) by drussell on Thursday September 25 2014, @02:52PM
From memory around that time, wasn't there some peculiar restriction like linux worked with common PATA IDE hard drives but *BSD only had drivers for like three models of SCSI card so it was SCSI or nothin' with the BSDs?
No, the AC is right. There was never a problem with MFM/RLL or IDE disks. The 'wd' driver handled both MFM/RLL and IDE. The 'ata' driver was introduced years later and dropped support for MFM/RLL but IDE always worked. I actually still have 2 machines here that I'm about to finally pull out of service (currently just doing DNS, internal mail and some logging and somesuch) to replace with less power-hungry hardware (these have been in service since 1999, so 15 years isn't bad :) ) that are using the 'wd' driver still on patched-up, cobbled-together FreeBSD 2.x...
My first installation was to a 40 meg MFM hard drive, then I used IDEs mostly and a few SCSI. The SCSI was in there initially for a tape drive before I started amassing SCSI disks.
I remember old IDE interfaces masking interrupts for like a second per access. And you could tell at the command line just by how responsive the system was / low interrupt latency if you were on a IDE or SCSI box.
SCSI is definitely a beter system for many reasons, and certainly was MUCH better at the time but was much more expensive so for many applications was cost prohibitive. I had to use mainly IDE drives for many years due to cost. Now I still have boxes and boxes of things like factory refurb Seagate 7200 RPM barracudas and a bunch of Fujitsu 7200 and 10k RPM drives. I'll probably never use them all, they just last too darn long! :)
I still use 9.1GB Seagates as boot disks for most of my servers. Ultra robust and I think I still have at least 3 unopened 10-packs and at least another 50 lying around already. :) I also have a whole stack of 2/3 GB Elites. (the 5.25" Seagates). Huge, noisy and suck a TON of power so, of course, I haven't used them for anything for years but they are a great lark to fire up an array of 5.25"ers for someone who's never seen them before! LOL
Of course, I also still have a working 8 Meg, 8" Shugart MFM in my Wang 2200LVP, and a couple of 14" hard disks, a 10 Meg and an 80 Meg... Most people have never seen a 14" hard drive before! (and, they weigh like 250 lbs) Great conversation piece :)
My 80 Meg CDC Phoenix was built (completed) Dec 31, 1980... I'm sure it took more than one day to build those suckers! :)
http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/cdc/discs/brochures/CDC_9448_CMD_Brochure_Jan81.pdf [trailing-edge.com]
(Score: 2) by EvilJim on Thursday September 25 2014, @01:12AM
That's pretty sweet, my first 486 sx25 ran my BBS under dos/desqview/RemoteAccess for years with no problems whatsoever, never monitored uptime though, if I had known about linux/BSD in those days I would have been in balls deep. I remember some of the other Sysop's looking at linux, I dialled into one at one stage but just got login/password prompt with no option to request an account so didn't persue it any further as it was unfamiliar territory. I still remember paying $800 for 8mb RAM for my 486 and VGA was the shit! LORD was the untimate in multi-player games. :)
(Score: 2) by EvilJim on Thursday September 25 2014, @01:16AM
I also forgot where I was going with that last comment, here it is: I accidentally connected an ISA modem with a machine powered up, flash/bang and the modem was dead, fortunately the MB survived as it was a customers pc. I think those old ISA sockets with the amount of tilt you could get would short the pins, pity, hotswappable components would have been awesome.