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posted by LaminatorX on Wednesday September 24 2014, @06:01AM   Printer-friendly
from the better-together dept.

Debian Jesse is going to have Gnome3 as the default desktop.

The desktop re-qualification page, used to help choose which desktop will be default, has in the Jesse version a weight for systemd integration, and of course only Gnome3 does it (at least for now). This will surely make the systemd/gnome3 fanbase happy, but possibly will make others unhappy, as it [may] be seen as another step towards mono-culture, until we soon end up with all distros being redhat clones.

 
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  • (Score: 2) by VLM on Wednesday September 24 2014, @03:49PM

    by VLM (445) on Wednesday September 24 2014, @03:49PM (#97728)

    From memory around that time, wasn't there some peculiar restriction like linux worked with common PATA IDE hard drives but *BSD only had drivers for like three models of SCSI card so it was SCSI or nothin' with the BSDs? (And SCSI hardware cost about twice as much as IDE, although it was probably 10x as fast?) It was definitely a hardware reason like that, which kept me away from BSDs. Maybe it was graphics like my 256K VGA card worked in text mode but the BSDs only spoke to EGA cards or something. It was definitely something hardware related that kept me away from the BSDs.

    Do you remember the holy wars of IDE vs SCSI which as usual the technologically superior system lost? I remember old IDE interfaces masking interrupts for like a second per access. And you could tell at the command line just by how responsive the system was / low interrupt latency if you were on a IDE or SCSI box.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 24 2014, @11:14PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday September 24 2014, @11:14PM (#97964)

    Uhhhh, no, that was never the case.

  • (Score: 2) by drussell on Thursday September 25 2014, @02:52PM

    by drussell (2678) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 25 2014, @02:52PM (#98259) Journal

    From memory around that time, wasn't there some peculiar restriction like linux worked with common PATA IDE hard drives but *BSD only had drivers for like three models of SCSI card so it was SCSI or nothin' with the BSDs?

    No, the AC is right. There was never a problem with MFM/RLL or IDE disks. The 'wd' driver handled both MFM/RLL and IDE. The 'ata' driver was introduced years later and dropped support for MFM/RLL but IDE always worked. I actually still have 2 machines here that I'm about to finally pull out of service (currently just doing DNS, internal mail and some logging and somesuch) to replace with less power-hungry hardware (these have been in service since 1999, so 15 years isn't bad :) ) that are using the 'wd' driver still on patched-up, cobbled-together FreeBSD 2.x...

    My first installation was to a 40 meg MFM hard drive, then I used IDEs mostly and a few SCSI. The SCSI was in there initially for a tape drive before I started amassing SCSI disks.

    I remember old IDE interfaces masking interrupts for like a second per access. And you could tell at the command line just by how responsive the system was / low interrupt latency if you were on a IDE or SCSI box.

    SCSI is definitely a beter system for many reasons, and certainly was MUCH better at the time but was much more expensive so for many applications was cost prohibitive. I had to use mainly IDE drives for many years due to cost. Now I still have boxes and boxes of things like factory refurb Seagate 7200 RPM barracudas and a bunch of Fujitsu 7200 and 10k RPM drives. I'll probably never use them all, they just last too darn long! :)

    I still use 9.1GB Seagates as boot disks for most of my servers. Ultra robust and I think I still have at least 3 unopened 10-packs and at least another 50 lying around already. :) I also have a whole stack of 2/3 GB Elites. (the 5.25" Seagates). Huge, noisy and suck a TON of power so, of course, I haven't used them for anything for years but they are a great lark to fire up an array of 5.25"ers for someone who's never seen them before! LOL

    Of course, I also still have a working 8 Meg, 8" Shugart MFM in my Wang 2200LVP, and a couple of 14" hard disks, a 10 Meg and an 80 Meg... Most people have never seen a 14" hard drive before! (and, they weigh like 250 lbs) Great conversation piece :)

    My 80 Meg CDC Phoenix was built (completed) Dec 31, 1980... I'm sure it took more than one day to build those suckers! :)
    http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/pdf/cdc/discs/brochures/CDC_9448_CMD_Brochure_Jan81.pdf [trailing-edge.com]