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the world’s slackening grip on reality

Journal by c0lo

(in the loving memory of Runaway1956, who succumbed after a long battle to gatewaypundits. May his brain rest in peace, squeaky clean and smoothed over)

because "Doing your own research" is far easier nowadays than building the habit of thinking critically.
Add COVID-anxiety, a chaotic narcissistic Orange clown and compound with the lack of survival problems to solve for the everyday life in a westernized society and (where appropriate) a good dose of American exceptionalism.

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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Wednesday November 11 2020, @02:07PM (58 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 11 2020, @02:07PM (#1076139) Journal

    At first, QAnon was a largely US phenomenon, with limited penetration in the UK. The pandemic, however, has changed that. According to recent polling by Hope Not Hate, one in four people in Britain now agree with some of the basic conspiracies it has promulgated: that “secret satanic cults exist and include influential elites”, and that “elites in Hollywood, politics, the media” are secretly engaging in large-scale child trafficking and abuse. Nearly a third believe there is “a single group of people who secretly control events and rule the world together”, and almost a fifth say that Covid-19 was intentionally released as part of a “depopulation plan”.

    What were the above rates before Covid-19? Depending on how the poll is structure, you can get large false positive rates just from bad polling design. I think it'd be educational to replace those questions by "Hope Not Hate" with other arbitrary questions and see if those 1 in 5 rates remain.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @02:23PM (14 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @02:23PM (#1076145)

    And depending on how and by whom the "news" media is controlled, you can control the masses. And we're witnessing it happening, but so many are duped and drinking the Kool-Aid.

    • (Score: 2, Touché) by khallow on Wednesday November 11 2020, @02:27PM (13 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 11 2020, @02:27PM (#1076146) Journal

      And depending on how and by whom the "news" media is controlled, you can control the masses.

      It's even easier to control your own poll that justifies your existence.

      • (Score: 3, Interesting) by khallow on Wednesday November 11 2020, @02:51PM (12 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 11 2020, @02:51PM (#1076154) Journal
        I think my comment bears reflecting on. Sure, people may be crazier than they've been before. But the poll was managed by a group using that poll to justify their own existence. There is a huge conflict of interest here. My take is that with very improper poll design you could probably get 1 in 5 to agree that cartoon character, Mickey Mouse is the President of the US even though none of those polled would actually believe that.

        • (Score: 4, Funny) by Mojibake Tengu on Wednesday November 11 2020, @04:33PM

          by Mojibake Tengu (8598) on Wednesday November 11 2020, @04:33PM (#1076188) Journal

          https://www.disneyclips.com/images/images/mickey_king2.gif [disneyclips.com]

          http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/8500000/King-Mickey-mickey-mouse-8526249-300-374.gif [fanpop.com]

          https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7205/6923665069_c7390ca869_b.jpg [staticflickr.com]

          There. Visual proofs Mickey is a King, not President.

          --
          The edge of 太玄 cannot be defined, for it is beyond every aspect of design

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @08:22PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @08:22PM (#1076289)

          Polls are crumbling under their own weight. Nobody should listen to them. Let them wither and fade away.

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by c0lo on Wednesday November 11 2020, @10:46PM (6 children)

          by c0lo (156) on Wednesday November 11 2020, @10:46PM (#1076358) Journal

          khallow, you lazy bum, why do you stop at sowing mistrust in a study without reading it first, much less citing from it to point the flaws?
          Go into sketching some alt-reality and then you give the "do your own research" shove. That's the way of WWG1WGA.

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          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0

          • (Score: 1, Redundant) by khallow on Wednesday November 11 2020, @11:50PM (3 children)

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 11 2020, @11:50PM (#1076378) Journal

            khallow, you lazy bum, why do you stop at sowing mistrust in a study without reading it first, much less citing from it to point the flaws?

            I already gave the reasons. Life's too short to read bad studies.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:01AM (2 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:01AM (#1076401)

              In the mind of khallow, all the studies are bad. He does not kneed to look, he just knows this a priori. A very stable genius, be the khallow!

              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:19AM (1 child)

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:19AM (#1076406) Journal
                Sounds to me like I've read more of the study than you have.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @10:44AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @10:44AM (#1076521)

                  Mit der Dummheit khallow kämpfen selbst Götter vergebens.

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 12 2020, @12:28AM (1 child)

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday November 12 2020, @12:28AM (#1076384) Journal
            As another example of how bad the study is, look at the bibliography and appendix giving data on the poll question by question. I wasted my time looking at this and I've had enough of it.

            • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @07:18AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @07:18AM (#1076487)

              What the arrogant liberal Aussie hasn't grasped is that his "research" is just him sucking the teet of liberal news spun up stories.

        • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday November 12 2020, @04:47AM (2 children)

          by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday November 12 2020, @04:47AM (#1076450) Journal

          I think my comment bears reflecting on.

          Of course you do. You are the khallow, no? How could you think otherwise?

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:31PM (1 child)

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:31PM (#1076563) Journal
            And of course, you don't think, one way or another. Once again, I find it interesting how there's so much support for a shoddy paper derived solely from a couple of flimsy polls and quotes from David Icke. A paper of similar quality on dark matter, would have been laughed out of the room.

            • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday November 12 2020, @06:29PM

              by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday November 12 2020, @06:29PM (#1076669) Journal

              You mad, bro?

              Finally, we have reduced khallow to his ground position. Liberals do bad science, because they are liberals. Ad hominem much, khallow?

  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @03:40PM (42 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @03:40PM (#1076174)

    Depending on how the poll is structure, you can get large false positive rates just from bad polling design.

    From the referenced paper [hopenothate.org.uk]:

    METHODOLOGY:
    Hanbury Strategy conducted a survey of 2,000 adults between September 8 and September 11 2020,
    using an online panel of respondents. To ensure the sample was as representative as possible, we
    sourced the most up to date census statistics to inform our weighting and sampling criteria, and
    collected responses according to strict quotas. Respondents under the age of 18 were disqualified.
    Each panellist was assigned an individual ID by the online panel provider, which was used to select
    panellists for the survey according to the target sampling criteria and to ensure panellists were not
    over-contacted, which limits survey fatigue and potential bias. The data was also passed through a
    series of automatic and manual checks to deal with any poor quality responses or duplication that
    might have occurred.
    Finally, to adjust for small discrepancies in sampling, the data was then weighted to be nationally
    representative using an RIM weighting scheme, which weighted respondents based on the interactions
    between region, gender and age.

    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday November 11 2020, @05:14PM (41 children)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 11 2020, @05:14PM (#1076196) Journal
      It doesn't mean they're following that boilerplate.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @05:41PM (40 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @05:41PM (#1076209)

        Yeah. And I might or might not be writing in English.

        Yo no se.

        You're making the claim that the methodology is a lie. Where is the *evidence* for that claim?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @05:44PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @05:44PM (#1076211)

          No see, when it comes to conspuracy theories the only important part IS the accusation! Finding out if they are right or wrong just ruins the mystery......

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday November 11 2020, @05:47PM (38 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 11 2020, @05:47PM (#1076214) Journal
          Conflict of interest plus extraordinary claims (and bias too - treating a variety of beliefs as being Q Anon originated). Smart money would be on a problem with the poll.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @05:52PM (4 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @05:52PM (#1076217)

            Conflict of interest plus extraordinary claims (and bias too - treating a variety of beliefs as being Q Anon originated). Smart money would be on a problem with the poll.

            Six bitcoins [xe.com] says the methodology in the paper was the methodology used to collect the data reported.

            Are you ready to put your money where your mouth is, or are you just blathering as usual?

            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 12 2020, @12:28AM (3 children)

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday November 12 2020, @12:28AM (#1076385) Journal
              Not touching that bet. You're betting currently around $95k which is way too rich for the matter at hand. That's enough to bribe any normal authority, the organization in question, and their "online panel provider" to falsify evidence.

              Second, the paper is strictly an opinion piece with no polling data provided for the alleged study (no citation of any sort, not even the name of the above provider of the poll). It's already in violation of the conditions they outline because there's no way in that paper to verify that the polls (there are at least two described in the paper) are as claimed or even exist in the first place. I think some of the details claimed indicate that there's some sort of real world poll somewhere, but it's interesting how little data there actually is about the poll or who did it.

              There are indications of deep problems with the quality of the data. For example (page 27):

              However, measuring support for QAnon is more complex than one might think. Whilst 8% of our sample claimed to support QAnon, a number of these “supporters” also claimed in a previous question that they had not actually heard of QAnon, results that echo a recent survey in the US.1 Taking those who claimed to have both heard of QAnon and to support it as a more accurate figure, we get the still considerable figure of 5.7% (3.2% strong support, and 2.5% soft support), although it is unclear what importance these respondents place on that support.

              In other words, 30% of the people who allegedly support QAnon have never even heard of the group.

              Also from the earlier quoted boilerplate of the poll, we have this key phrase: "using an online panel of respondents". Since QAnon is an online phenomenon, you are polling by one of the key characteristics that will bias the study - online people are vastly more likely to have heard of the theory than people who aren't online. They aren't polling the "British mainstream", they're polling some people who have access to that online panel and then extending their results to a hypothetical British mainstream, but extending across with a key bias of the data.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @05:05AM (2 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @05:05AM (#1076455)

                Not touching that bet. You're betting currently around $95k which is way too rich for the matter at hand. That's enough to bribe any normal authority, the organization in question, and their "online panel provider" to falsify evidence.

                So you're not willing to put your money where your mouth is. That's quite telling.

                • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:14PM

                  by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:14PM (#1076556) Journal
                  Well, you aren't either. AC posting only.

                • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 12 2020, @02:04PM

                  by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday November 12 2020, @02:04PM (#1076573) Journal
                  Let me point out the problems with the bet as you proposed it. First, you're posting as AC. I have no idea who you are, much less that you can back your side of the bet or for that matter aren't merely looking for an angle to steal from me. Second, no mechanism for the bet, either the placing of bets or the subsequent judgment of the bet.

                  Third, too much money. I have experience with bets that can be thrown arbitrarily because there's enough money to make it worthwhile. $95k would be way more than needed to bribe various parties (particularly the judge) to throw the bet one way or another.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @05:55PM (15 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @05:55PM (#1076221)

            Conflict of interest plus extraordinary claims (and bias too - treating a variety of beliefs as being Q Anon originated). Smart money would be on a problem with the poll.

            That's not *evidence*. That's rank speculation [gfycat.com] without any factual basis.

            Evidence, motherfucker. Do you have any?

            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday November 11 2020, @06:17PM (14 children)

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 11 2020, @06:17PM (#1076234) Journal
              The rank speculation is factual and distinguishes between hypotheses. That makes it evidence.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:07AM (13 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:07AM (#1076403)

                One of the primary symptoms of dis-associative Schizophrenia is mistaking rank speculation for fact, and bias confirmation for evidence. And then there is

                Schizophrenia is a serious mental disorder in which people interpret reality abnormally. Schizophrenia may result in some combination of hallucinations, delusions, and extremely disordered thinking and behavior that impairs daily functioning, and can be disabling.

                People with schizophrenia require lifelong treatment. Early treatment may help get symptoms under control before serious complications develop and may help improve the long-term outlook.

                Mayo Clinic [mayoclinic.org]

                Late it maybe too for khallow already.

                • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:31AM (12 children)

                  by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:31AM (#1076408) Journal
                  Let's review before you continue. The following are facts:
                  • The organization, Hope Not Hate just published a paper claiming that it's areas of interest, QAnon hate speech on the internet, is worse than expected.
                  • The paper is based on a poll (actually two) claimed to be conducted by an unnamed "online panel provider" on behalf of Hope Not Hate.
                  • Hope Not Hate is funded by people concerned about hate speech and such on the internet. Their interest would be in fighting/curbing actual hate speech rather than imaginary hate speech.
                  • Thus, this poll is a conflict of interest between Hope Not Hate's interests, and those of the people who are reading the paper and possibly donating to the organization.
                  • Nobody else is claiming such large numbers of people believing QAnon precepts. Thus, extraordinary claims.
                  • The paper in question conflate without basis that a variety of beliefs are QAnon-originated such as the belief "there is a single group of people who secretly control events and rule the world together".

                  There you go. Facts not rank speculation. Perhaps you have better things to do than a 1984-style pathologizing of rational discussion?

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:53AM (3 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:53AM (#1076411)

                    So let me get you straight, khallow: Hope Not Hate is the antifa, so they are connected to the Cosmic Ping-pong Pizza, which is run by the Illuminati, which is only a front for the Lizard people who live inside the hollow earth, and Bennu. Does that about sum up your argument?

                    Or are you just upset that they are not Nazis?

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @02:19AM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @02:19AM (#1076414)

                      No you fool! It's the weather war! khallow intends to use ICE machines to raise the average global temperature by 3°C by 2100, causing more frequent natural disasters and mass migrations leading to armed conflicts and war! The underground lizard people in the hollow earth supply him with the foul ichors that run his ICE machines!

                    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 12 2020, @02:26AM

                      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday November 12 2020, @02:26AM (#1076416) Journal

                      So let me get you straight, khallow

                      Sounds pretty crooked to me.

                    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 12 2020, @09:53PM

                      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday November 12 2020, @09:53PM (#1076763) Journal
                      This is the same trolling game that PETA does. We wouldn't get worked up because the Meat Is Murder people have a poll, right? So why are we supposed to now?

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @03:27AM (7 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @03:27AM (#1076437)

                    The paper is based on a poll (actually two) claimed to be conducted by an unnamed "online panel provider" on behalf of Hope Not Hate.

                    Unnamed? not so much:

                    Hanbury Strategy conducted a survey of 2,000 adults between September 8 and September 11 2020

                    https://www.hanburystrategy.com/ [hanburystrategy.com]

                    Is it painful talking out of your ass like that?

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @07:09AM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @07:09AM (#1076482)

                      Nonsense. "Hanbury" isn't a name at all, thus they remain unnamed. You might fool Brits with that, but any American can spot it as made-up gibberish.

                    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:25PM (5 children)

                      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:25PM (#1076561) Journal
                      The poll provider gets mentioned exactly once. Now, we go to the next stage where I note that Hanbury Strategy is a public affairs/lobbying firm [prweek.com]. Seems a good choice to generate a pretext for an anti-QAnon screed.

                      • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @08:25PM (1 child)

                        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @08:25PM (#1076733)

                        Cui Bono? Follow the money! Woodward, Bernstein, and khallow have uncovered a massive conspiracy to make money by criticizing the QAnon wacko conspiracy theory! They stand to make so much money! It's just like all those AGW proponents, who are doing it only to sell more black baby abortions, and the doctors reporting Covid-19 as cause of death because then they get Green Stamps. Funny how Republicans (and their less intelligent Libertarian hangers-on) can only imagine one singular motivation for any human action: Greed. Now we know that khallow is a disciple of Gordon Gecko, "Greed is good!"

                        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 12 2020, @09:49PM

                          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday November 12 2020, @09:49PM (#1076761) Journal

                          Woodward, Bernstein, and khallow have uncovered a massive conspiracy to make money by criticizing the QAnon wacko conspiracy theory!

                          I wouldn't call it massive. It's the same low grade trolling game that PETA does. And given how public they are about it, I wouldn't call it a conspiracy either.

                      • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday November 13 2020, @12:41AM (2 children)

                        by fustakrakich (6150) on Friday November 13 2020, @12:41AM (#1076824) Journal

                        Anti-QAnon? No... It's advertisement for QAnon. Make them bigger than they are. Give them some much needed attention. All you people are playing your poly-sci theater while they count the money.

                        --
                        La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..

                        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday November 13 2020, @01:38AM (1 child)

                          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday November 13 2020, @01:38AM (#1076854) Journal
                          Well, Hope Not Hate needs the business. They have nothing better to do than talk up any threats they can imagine.

                          • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday November 13 2020, @01:47AM

                            by fustakrakich (6150) on Friday November 13 2020, @01:47AM (#1076862) Journal

                            We can do like that "Kevin Bacon" thing. How many degrees of separation are there between them and Soros/Koch/Murdoch? As you know, nothing happens without money...

                            --
                            La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..

          • (Score: 4, Touché) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday November 11 2020, @07:10PM (16 children)

            by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Wednesday November 11 2020, @07:10PM (#1076271)

            Smart money would be on a problem with the poll.

            Smart money would be on the proposition that nobody would believe that Q-Anon nonsense, and yet here we are.

            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday November 11 2020, @07:48PM (15 children)

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 11 2020, @07:48PM (#1076280) Journal
              That's one of my points. I think it likely that the Q Anon stuff has been exaggerated.

              • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday November 11 2020, @08:22PM (12 children)

                by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Wednesday November 11 2020, @08:22PM (#1076290)

                I'm not sure I agree, based on the number of Facebook posts I see about "Covid Camps" and "Child Cannibalism" and other nonsense that have 10's of thousands of likes and comments.

                • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday November 11 2020, @11:03PM (10 children)

                  by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday November 11 2020, @11:03PM (#1076362) Journal
                  Facebooks posts, comments, and likes mean what?

                  • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Wednesday November 11 2020, @11:29PM (9 children)

                    by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Wednesday November 11 2020, @11:29PM (#1076370)

                    What do you think they mean?

                    It is something people are talking about.

                    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 12 2020, @12:30AM (5 children)

                      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday November 12 2020, @12:30AM (#1076387) Journal
                      How many people? Why do their opinions count enough for us to care?

                      • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday November 12 2020, @12:53AM (4 children)

                        by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Thursday November 12 2020, @12:53AM (#1076397)

                        Have you not been paying attention?

                        Go back to the top of the page and see if you get the point of C0lo's journal entry.

                        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:00AM (3 children)

                          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:00AM (#1076399) Journal
                          Sorry, I think the point of the journal is misguided with some UK issues group pushing a hysteria-generating narrative.

                          • (Score: 2) by PartTimeZombie on Thursday November 12 2020, @02:50AM (2 children)

                            by PartTimeZombie (4827) on Thursday November 12 2020, @02:50AM (#1076423)

                            You would.

                            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 12 2020, @04:52AM (1 child)

                              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday November 12 2020, @04:52AM (#1076453) Journal
                              Emptily complaining about it isn't going to change my mind. There's plenty of warning signs that this is just another issue group trolling for funding.

                              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @08:41PM

                                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @08:41PM (#1076741)

                                Three facebook posts, to one khallow. Hmm, who to believe? Majority rules? This is a democracy, after all.

                    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:03AM (2 children)

                      by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:03AM (#1076402) Journal

                      "People"?

                      --
                      La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..

                      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 12 2020, @03:17PM (1 child)

                        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday November 12 2020, @03:17PM (#1076591) Journal
                        Excellent point especially when it comes to "likes". Facebook has a notorious problem with bots.

                        • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Thursday November 12 2020, @05:08PM

                          by fustakrakich (6150) on Thursday November 12 2020, @05:08PM (#1076634) Journal

                          For facebook, the bots aren't really a problem. Besides all this "troll" stuff, the bots keep ad rates up. Just print the appropriate disclaimers and carry on.

                          --
                          La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 13 2020, @09:27AM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 13 2020, @09:27AM (#1076972)

                  I think the fact that the basement at comet pizza was so well hidden that no-one could find it is proof that there was something evil going on in it.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @09:02PM (1 child)

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @09:02PM (#1076321)

                That's one of my points. I think it likely that the Q Anon stuff has been exaggerated.

                That's what they want you to think! There, see, your mind has been poisoned! By Fox! Or Breitbart! Or NYT! Or something.

                did I get that right? this stuff is getting so twisted and confusing

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @09:52PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @09:52PM (#1076339)

                  That is what khallow wants you to think!! He is one of them! Don't trust him! khallow may even be Q hisself!!