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Journal by c0lo
(in the loving memory of Runaway1956, who succumbed after a long battle to gatewaypundits. May his brain rest in peace, squeaky clean and smoothed over)
because "Doing your own research" is far easier nowadays than building the habit of thinking critically.
Add COVID-anxiety, a chaotic narcissistic Orange clown and compound with the lack of survival problems to solve for the everyday life in a westernized society and (where appropriate) a good dose of American exceptionalism.
the world’s slackening grip on reality
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innovate, v.:
To annoy people.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by DannyB on Wednesday November 11 2020, @07:46PM (43 children)
Problem: Some people put political ideology ahead of facts and reality.
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday November 11 2020, @08:01PM
It's all very natural, as gravity itself.
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @08:19PM (39 children)
We all know you're referencing Rs and Trump, but the Ds do it too. Stop the onesidedness / hypocrisy. You Ds talk about Trump and his bad manners. Why don't you show us how it should be done? Because you might be reaping what you've been sowing.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @08:58PM (27 children)
Lock the AC up! Lock the AC up!
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Wednesday November 11 2020, @09:57PM (22 children)
The language of that post is exactly why the country is so deeply divided.
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @06:57AM (19 children)
Do you even read your own posts? The country is so deeply divided because you liberals have NO tolerance for any opinions other than your own. You really can't see that? Your way or the highway?
Because Trump is a tweeting nut, you think all conservatives agree and think like him? I guess I should start smoking what you're smoking. Oh, wait, maybe that's what got you so delusional. Nevermind, just keep smoking it.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by DannyB on Thursday November 12 2020, @03:05PM (18 children)
Instead of using "conservatives", I'll use the Republican brand name.
There are some R's who realize that the party has left them. That the R party no longer represents what was once "conservative" values of a few decades ago. These are the former Republicans.
The vast majority of those using the R brand name are the Trump cultists who are separated from reality and follow in lockstep with whatever Trump tweets. I feel sad for true rational people with conservative views who have been abandoned by their party.
Just look at a recent election map. All of that red is people using the R brand and calling themselves conservative.
The R's have no tolerance for any kind of difference. Not only a difference of opinion. But differences in skin color, national origin, religion, sexual orientation.
I'll select two examples:
1. abortion. There can be no middle ground to have legalized abortion with sane regulations.
2. guns. There can be no middle ground to regulate firearms with sane regulations. Especially keeping crazy people from having guns.
(interesting fact: there actually are democrats who own guns. They are not the ones that brag about it, or brandish firearms over some perceived provocation)
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @03:30PM (16 children)
The people I know say leave it up to the states. Then you can go live in a state with abortion and no guns, or vice versa. What's the problem?
They want diversity, not the one size fits all crappy-for-everyone monoculture that you want to force on everyone.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @06:00PM (7 children)
Some things are human rights. Abortion is a medical procedure that is a right for women. Live how you want, but guaranteeing rights for people is not a mono-culture oppression. We outlawed slavery, beheadings, and a variety of other cultural items that do not belong in a modern society.
If yiu want Chraria law then YOU can follow it as long as you don't force it on others.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @07:18PM (6 children)
I dont really care about abortion, but Ive seen it lead to severe depression and mental issues that last for decades.
I say do Kanye's solution. Give the mom an incentive not to do it, ie $50k/yr or $1 million until they turn 18.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday November 12 2020, @08:31PM (5 children)
If you don't care why are you incentivizing anything?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @09:40PM (4 children)
Maybe because it is bad for her mental health when a mom kills her own baby? Isn't that what I wrote?
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday November 12 2020, @10:20PM (1 child)
Maybe some moms wouldn't be killing their babies if they had birth control. And could afford birth control. Or could afford to even care for and feed a baby -- while having a job.
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @10:25PM
Did you even read what you are responding to? Or can you only parrot talking points that dont apply?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 13 2020, @07:46AM
But if that baby was Kanye, would it not work in reverse? I don't understand.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 13 2020, @07:51AM
Much better for the woman's mental health to keep the baby, and kill the father! Bite his fucking head off like a Royal Preying Mantis Momma! Yeah! You Rock, girl! So, the problem is not so much that we need to outlaw abortion, as we need to legalize any woman killing any fucking man, because he has it coming. Peace, at last. We start with the Catholic Priests, follow up with the tele-vangelicists, and finally end with ex-President of Liberty (alleged) University, Jerry Fallbad, Jr. Something about strangling the last something, with the entrails of the last other thing? It's famous. Look it up.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Thursday November 12 2020, @07:23PM (3 children)
The Constitution says we all have equal rights and protection under the law.
The problem is when states try to violate that equal protection because states are not allowed to violate the Constitution.
So for abortion, for example, can you think of a safe, regulatory-approved, surgery you could get a doctor to perform on you as a male that would require government approval?
And conversely, do you think it's a good thing for your doctor to violate your confidentiality to inform the government of your private medical decisions?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @07:29PM (2 children)
Can I think of a regulatory-approved surgery that requires government approval?
(Score: 3, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Thursday November 12 2020, @07:46PM (1 child)
Yes. You're semantics aren't even clever.
If it has ALREADY been approved by the government are there any other surgeries that require a SECOND government approval before you are allowed to get it?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @08:06PM
So you already know the answer is :
(Score: 2) by DannyB on Thursday November 12 2020, @10:15PM (3 children)
Wiow. That sounds an awful lot like arguments I've heard about the civil war. The South was merely fighting for the right of a region to govern its own affairs and run their economy as they saw fit.
About guns: I don't want there to be NO guns. As I said somewhere, some democrats own guns. What I want is for crazy people to not have guns. And maybe a minimum level of marksmanship, just as a drivers license requires a minimal level of driving competency.
About abortions. I would prefer that there be no abortions ever. But I recognize that sometimes there are circumstances where a family is faced with a horrible decision. Like late in a pregnancy. If a women is waiting until late in the pregnancy to have an abortion, then it is obvious that she intended to give birth, and something has gone horribly wrong. A tragedy for the family. The government should stay out of it, and leave it to the doctor and the family to deal with. Someone who simply uses abortion as a form of birth control doesn't wait until late in the pregnancy and put themselves through all of the physical discomforts.
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @10:46PM (2 children)
So youve got no real solutions in mind. Just want to force your lifestyle on everyone else. No different than the religious freaks.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 13 2020, @08:16AM (1 child)
My lifestyle involves hunting and despatching deplorables. They made a documentary about it, called, "Columbine". Maybe you saw it. Not forcing my lifestyle, just targeting deplorables. World is better off, I am happy, win-win situation.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 13 2020, @09:26AM
So, you're an abortion doctor?
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday November 13 2020, @12:25AM
As the dems did to the liberals. Yet the liberals linger for some reason. Both should form their own financial institutions and political parties. The public is ripe for something "new"
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @09:50AM (1 child)
What division? The red team and blue team agreed, put cell modems in the voting machines so elections have no legitimacy and they get 98.5% of the vote. They probably took 10 million of jorgenson's votes and gave them to biden then gave the Republicans the senate and more house seats.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @05:00PM
OK Comrade
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @12:21AM (3 children)
> Lock the AC up!
Nah, just rectify them.
(Score: 2) by deimtee on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:21AM (2 children)
You don't have the capacity. The resistance will stop you inducting them.
No problem is insoluble, but at Ksp = 2.943×10−25 Mercury Sulphide comes close.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @11:08AM
Q scholars have determined why Trump tower is hit by lightning just before pivotal events: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/214/676/8aa.jpg [kym-cdn.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 13 2020, @08:32AM
It is for micro-threads like this, that I come to SoylentNews. Well played, ECs!
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @09:02PM (10 children)
A) Ds not nearly to the same extent as Rs, by a huge margin
B) We tried to have good manners for most of the last 4 years, but
C) Legitimate complaints about Trump and his administration were met with "some people put[ting] political ideology ahead of facts and reality"
D) Full circle
Simple fact is that Rs are deep into fake news and authoritarianism. The problem is not with Ds right now, and continued gaslighting will only earn you further scorn. I think I speak for most liberals, we are done trying to compromise with bad faith entitled people who hypocritically give crimes and abuses of power a total pass when it is their team.
If you want to complain about instances of Ds being hypocrites then get your own house in order first. Until I see a conservative show some humility and admit to reality I will treat them as hostile agents.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @09:12PM
You're aiming for funny? Oh, shit, you're serious!
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DannyB on Wednesday November 11 2020, @09:56PM (2 children)
Well said!
met with: TDS
Because you cannot criticize Trump.
I'm happy to blame the D's when they put ideology ahead of science, facts and reality. I would point out that Joe Biden stated his Covid-19
tragedystrategy would be solidly based on science. If we're all gonna die, it'll be based on science!FoxNews does not even make a pretense of trying to be fair. Or balanced. CNN does pretend to be fair. And pretends to be balanced.
I have not agreed with every policy decision of any president. Like Obama, for example. I don't like every single thing he did. But I liked a lot. With R's and especially Trump, it is a total religious cult mentality. There is nothing Trump can do or ever has done wrong. None. Zip. We're seeing his fascist streak trying to seize power, and his fascist followers are just fine with it.
Fixing that would go a very long way. But D's need to police their house also.
But we're wandering away from the problem of R's putting ideology ahead of facts, reality and science in a way and on a scale that the D's do not.
If you eat an entire cake without cutting it, you technically only had one piece.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @05:23PM (1 child)
I'll list what Trump did wrong:
1. bump stock ban, without making a good trade for it
2. appointed Sessions, and Wray
3. didn't put Epstein in protective custody with the US Marines doing 24x7 watch and feeding sealed randomly-selected MREs
Now you try. You should be able to come up with a half dozen Biden and Harris scandals that are worse then anything done by Trump, Reagan, or Nixon. You should be able to come up twenty Obama scandals at that level.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday November 12 2020, @08:33PM
You just listed what President Trump did wrong.
It is impossible for President Biden to have done anything wrong yet.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @09:56PM (3 children)
Nope. If anything, they are roughly equal in amount.
If spouting a constant stream of pure lies for four years is considered good manners then I'd hate to see what the D's would do if they were not trying to have good manners for the last four years. Oh, wait, we did get to see that this summer. All the D riots in major cities smashing glass and setting everything on fire.
Except you were doing exactly that. Every one of the lies the D's spouted for the last four years only happened because the D's ignored the facts that showed the lies were lies, and spouted the lies just the same. Example (the linchpin of the mess of lies): The fine people hoax. Totally a made up lie by D's created by ignoring the sentence a mere 20 or so words later in the same speech where they cut out the "fine people" part for supporting their lies.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @11:37PM (2 children)
OK Liar.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @03:31AM (1 child)
See this wikipedia page, in the "Third statement" section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the_right_rally#Third_statement [wikipedia.org]
The entire transcript quotation can be read on Wikipedia, below the quotes are trimmed to just the important bits. The first bit, the quote that CNN ran with to create the lie that is the fine people hoax (italics on the part CNN ran with, bold face on the part they excluded to create the lie):
And, here is the part that CNN omitted, that shows that what they reported was and still is a lie:
Reporting just the first quote, and omitting the second quote, which was only a very short distance away from the first, is outright lying on CNN's part.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 13 2020, @08:37AM
So, the marginal Nazis and white supremacists, the alt-white, if you will, those are the fine people on the other side? When my grandpa was dropping bombs on Nazi Germans, no doubt there were some very fine people he blew to fucking bits. But, you know, they stood with the Nazis and white supremacists, or at least too close for a blockbuster to tell the difference. They were not fine people. They are Nazi and white supremacist sympathizers, as I can only image you are, you apologist for Nazis. Careful where you stand.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @07:15AM
Well at least you admit to where all the shitstorm is coming from. Okay, keep it up. It may go to literal civil war.
Or, you could try civility, but for some reason your side just aren't kind people.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday November 13 2020, @06:00AM
Being merely complicit is no better than being the ring leader.
Reelection of the same old shit is only making room for the next Trump, and if you think this one is bad...
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday November 11 2020, @08:34PM
Yes, that was the joke!
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11 2020, @10:13PM
I'm afraid it's far worse than that.
Most people's belief systems -- be it religious belief, political ideology, etc. -- shape not only what they accept as reality, but what they can even perceive as reality. A good metaphor I've seen for this is "reality tunnel". Things that don't match up to the person's existing beliefs just don't make it through their reality tunnel. Have you ever stared, thunderstruck, at someone who just can't seem to even see what you're pointing out to them? Well, they can't see it. Literally, they can not perceive the event/object in the same way you do, because of their reality tunnel, filtering their perceptions to fit their beliefs.
Scott Adams has referenced the same thing using the metaphor of people being in the same theater, but watching different movies.
With practice, you can figure out when other people are filtering things through their reality tunnel. It's very difficult to figure out when you yourself are doing it.