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the world’s slackening grip on reality

Journal by c0lo

(in the loving memory of Runaway1956, who succumbed after a long battle to gatewaypundits. May his brain rest in peace, squeaky clean and smoothed over)

because "Doing your own research" is far easier nowadays than building the habit of thinking critically.
Add COVID-anxiety, a chaotic narcissistic Orange clown and compound with the lack of survival problems to solve for the everyday life in a westernized society and (where appropriate) a good dose of American exceptionalism.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:07AM (13 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:07AM (#1076403)

    One of the primary symptoms of dis-associative Schizophrenia is mistaking rank speculation for fact, and bias confirmation for evidence. And then there is

    Schizophrenia is a serious mental disorder in which people interpret reality abnormally. Schizophrenia may result in some combination of hallucinations, delusions, and extremely disordered thinking and behavior that impairs daily functioning, and can be disabling.

    People with schizophrenia require lifelong treatment. Early treatment may help get symptoms under control before serious complications develop and may help improve the long-term outlook.

    Mayo Clinic [mayoclinic.org]

    Late it maybe too for khallow already.

  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:31AM (12 children)

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:31AM (#1076408) Journal
    Let's review before you continue. The following are facts:
    • The organization, Hope Not Hate just published a paper claiming that it's areas of interest, QAnon hate speech on the internet, is worse than expected.
    • The paper is based on a poll (actually two) claimed to be conducted by an unnamed "online panel provider" on behalf of Hope Not Hate.
    • Hope Not Hate is funded by people concerned about hate speech and such on the internet. Their interest would be in fighting/curbing actual hate speech rather than imaginary hate speech.
    • Thus, this poll is a conflict of interest between Hope Not Hate's interests, and those of the people who are reading the paper and possibly donating to the organization.
    • Nobody else is claiming such large numbers of people believing QAnon precepts. Thus, extraordinary claims.
    • The paper in question conflate without basis that a variety of beliefs are QAnon-originated such as the belief "there is a single group of people who secretly control events and rule the world together".

    There you go. Facts not rank speculation. Perhaps you have better things to do than a 1984-style pathologizing of rational discussion?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:53AM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:53AM (#1076411)

      So let me get you straight, khallow: Hope Not Hate is the antifa, so they are connected to the Cosmic Ping-pong Pizza, which is run by the Illuminati, which is only a front for the Lizard people who live inside the hollow earth, and Bennu. Does that about sum up your argument?

      Or are you just upset that they are not Nazis?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @02:19AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @02:19AM (#1076414)

        No you fool! It's the weather war! khallow intends to use ICE machines to raise the average global temperature by 3°C by 2100, causing more frequent natural disasters and mass migrations leading to armed conflicts and war! The underground lizard people in the hollow earth supply him with the foul ichors that run his ICE machines!

      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 12 2020, @02:26AM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday November 12 2020, @02:26AM (#1076416) Journal

        So let me get you straight, khallow

        Sounds pretty crooked to me.

      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 12 2020, @09:53PM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday November 12 2020, @09:53PM (#1076763) Journal
        This is the same trolling game that PETA does. We wouldn't get worked up because the Meat Is Murder people have a poll, right? So why are we supposed to now?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @03:27AM (7 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @03:27AM (#1076437)

      The paper is based on a poll (actually two) claimed to be conducted by an unnamed "online panel provider" on behalf of Hope Not Hate.

      Unnamed? not so much:

      Hanbury Strategy conducted a survey of 2,000 adults between September 8 and September 11 2020

      https://www.hanburystrategy.com/ [hanburystrategy.com]

      Is it painful talking out of your ass like that?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @07:09AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @07:09AM (#1076482)

        Nonsense. "Hanbury" isn't a name at all, thus they remain unnamed. You might fool Brits with that, but any American can spot it as made-up gibberish.

      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:25PM (5 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday November 12 2020, @01:25PM (#1076561) Journal
        The poll provider gets mentioned exactly once. Now, we go to the next stage where I note that Hanbury Strategy is a public affairs/lobbying firm [prweek.com]. Seems a good choice to generate a pretext for an anti-QAnon screed.

        • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @08:25PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 12 2020, @08:25PM (#1076733)

          Cui Bono? Follow the money! Woodward, Bernstein, and khallow have uncovered a massive conspiracy to make money by criticizing the QAnon wacko conspiracy theory! They stand to make so much money! It's just like all those AGW proponents, who are doing it only to sell more black baby abortions, and the doctors reporting Covid-19 as cause of death because then they get Green Stamps. Funny how Republicans (and their less intelligent Libertarian hangers-on) can only imagine one singular motivation for any human action: Greed. Now we know that khallow is a disciple of Gordon Gecko, "Greed is good!"

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday November 12 2020, @09:49PM

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday November 12 2020, @09:49PM (#1076761) Journal

            Woodward, Bernstein, and khallow have uncovered a massive conspiracy to make money by criticizing the QAnon wacko conspiracy theory!

            I wouldn't call it massive. It's the same low grade trolling game that PETA does. And given how public they are about it, I wouldn't call it a conspiracy either.

        • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday November 13 2020, @12:41AM (2 children)

          by fustakrakich (6150) on Friday November 13 2020, @12:41AM (#1076824) Journal

          Anti-QAnon? No... It's advertisement for QAnon. Make them bigger than they are. Give them some much needed attention. All you people are playing your poly-sci theater while they count the money.

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          La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..

          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday November 13 2020, @01:38AM (1 child)

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday November 13 2020, @01:38AM (#1076854) Journal
            Well, Hope Not Hate needs the business. They have nothing better to do than talk up any threats they can imagine.

            • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday November 13 2020, @01:47AM

              by fustakrakich (6150) on Friday November 13 2020, @01:47AM (#1076862) Journal

              We can do like that "Kevin Bacon" thing. How many degrees of separation are there between them and Soros/Koch/Murdoch? As you know, nothing happens without money...

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              La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..