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innovate, v.:
To annoy people.
(Score: 2) by MostCynical on Saturday November 14 2020, @09:32AM (14 children)
no glue, no screws, and handtools only.
amazing joinery.
I have had the honour/pleasure of watching some very skilled wood- and metal-workers.
Watching the precision is captivating, yet makes me more than a little sad, that I will never have the time to learn these sort of skills.
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2020, @09:40AM (12 children)
What makes me sad is the real possibility that no one will have the time to learn those sorts of skills and they are lost forever. All that will be left is what can be reverse engineered or guessed from the documentation that remains.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 14 2020, @11:58AM (3 children)
This is why some countries, not the US, of course, designate their skilled traditional craftsman as National Treasures. Fund their apprentices, keep the skills going. In America, they are just students in Basic Programming in Basic for Ex-truckers and Coal Minors, along with all the other displaced. But Some Americans used to be able to do some fine shit, back in the day.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday November 15 2020, @03:39AM (2 children)
Why do that when you have YouTube? The "National Treasure" route just creates a minor elite enclave of lifestyle enthusiasts that can still disappear just because they don't have any means of getting new blood into the system nor any means of communicating their knowledge with anyone outside of the group. If that enclave actually creates something of value, then they can rely on the normal market to make a living just like everyone else.
My take is that as long as we don't flip out and declare war on competent hobbyists and craftsmen, the knowledge will stick around in one form or another (for example of such a war, the growing regulation on hobby chemistry sets because they could put an eye out). We don't need some fancy system.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 16 2020, @10:20AM (1 child)
I have watched many a YouTube bronze caster, an was appalled at the lack of knowledge and skill of morons who want to make a cannon. One nearly burned down his house. No, most of what is on YouTube is not skill and mastery, it is showmanship and bastardly! If this is the repository of the future knowledge of humanity, we may all be reduced to the understanding of a khallow.
(Score: 0, Troll) by khallow on Monday November 16 2020, @12:50PM
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday November 14 2020, @12:46PM (7 children)
E.g. this [youtube.com]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 2) by MostCynical on Saturday November 14 2020, @09:47PM (6 children)
we're losing even the ability to make the tools for jobs like barrel making, let alone the understanding of how to use the tools..
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Saturday November 14 2020, @11:09PM (5 children)
Ability to make the tools? No, you do have the materials to make them**.
Knowledge and skill, rather.
** however, I tried finding a small anvil at Bunnings. They don't carry anvils anymore for about 2 years. So, you may be onto something here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 2) by MostCynical on Sunday November 15 2020, @06:39AM (4 children)
how small?
https://forestwest.com.au/collections/anvil [forestwest.com.au]
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Sunday November 15 2020, @08:00AM (3 children)
Yes, I can find one at blacksmith specialized stores (or jewellery for some small ones).
Just not at Bunnings - which says anvils are things that even the handymen find unnecessary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 2) by MostCynical on Sunday November 15 2020, @09:12AM
well, with flatpack kitchens and even ovens available now, bunnings are not really focussed on craftspeople.. trade sales and diy-with-no-idea are the target markets now - anyone else is left pining for hardware shops where you could buy one bolt, one nut, even one special order anvil...
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
(Score: 2) by deimtee on Monday November 16 2020, @09:14AM (1 child)
There's probably not enough demand for new ones for Bunnings to carry them. Every guy I know who would use an anvil has already got one, and it's not like they wear out. The second hand market is pretty solid, and I'd take a eighty year old anvil over a piece of chinese junk iron.
No problem is insoluble, but at Ksp = 2.943×10−25 Mercury Sulphide comes close.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday November 16 2020, @11:20AM
The probability approaches 1, yes.
I'll have a look. Postage, however, may be a problem, this is why the market may be limited at any given time (i.e. need to hunt for one for longer).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 3, Redundant) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday November 14 2020, @01:21PM
See, I appreciate its utility not its beauty. There are some joints that simply hold better than glue-n-screw ever will, especially over time. When that's a thing that's going to be really useful, I'll go to the trouble of using funky joinery. When it'd be purely for showing off purposes, like say on floor trim or something else that doesn't get sat/laid upon or otherwise moved much, I use the quicker and good enough methods.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.