I know a feller what's put hundreds of hours into getting him some hand plane learning over the past three years. Dude can turn a dollar store plane into something that'll shave translucent curls of wood off of oak or purple heart with nothing but some diamond stones, Windex, and patience. I generally find a belt sander good enough but then I don't make many things in such a way that they have to be absolutely flat and perfectly square. I'm lazy and just make most things to where they'll look and function correctly even if they're an eighth of an inch off on half the measurements. There are exceptions but usually I find them more tedious than fulfilling.
The most recent exception is I'm making 1/16" hickory veneers for laminating together into the plywood of a skateboard. Skateboards are generally 7-ply slow growth Canadian maple. That was all fine and good when I was 130lbs and couldn't buy my own cigarettes but it's less so nowadays. Hickory's heavier than maple but it also takes a lot more to break by applying force perpendicular to the grain. Bamboo is as well and it's lighter than either of them but it flexes way more than maple and way way more than hickory. Plus I despise the double kick, narrow, concave boards they make nowadays. I'm an 80s skater and I like my boards 10-11 inches wide up by the front truck, at least a nine inch wide tail, very little nose, almost zero concavity, and only the single kick on the tail. Extra weight from hickory I can deal with easily since force = mass x acceleration and my mass has increased just a bit since I was a teenager.
Dude can turn a dollar store plane into something that'll shave translucent curls of wood off of oak or purple heart with nothing but some diamond stones, Windex, and patience.
Sandpaper on a sheet of glass does it for me - too lazy to bring back the stones to flatness. Have done it only once for a plane irons but heaps of time for the chisels. I bought a wooden block plane from the chinese, I stored it somewhere after sharpening the iron, fine tuning and trying it; beat me if I remember where I put it (I seriously need to unclutter my garage)
In any case, construction lumber is construction lumber, until I get to use the block/joiners planes, I'll need something to rough trim it (larger mouth/throat) if I want to get it done in this life. I'll probs go with an electric plane, even if my experience tells me it's quite easy to draw sharp grooves with the sides of it - flat blades, not chamfer, takes only a bit of leaning to the side and you have some more work to get rid of a groove you made with the time efficiency of a power tool.
Could always belt sand it nearly flat then finish the surface with the plane. I mean, it's pine or spruce or such, so it should go pretty quickly unless you built one thirty meters long. Hand tools are outstanding at what they do when they're more efficient, more precise, or more effective than power tools for that particular task, otherwise you're trading your time for RSI and smugness. Wish I could convince The Roomie of this. Watching him do woodworking with no power tools for aesthetic reasons is both painful and boring.
The most recent exception is I'm making 1/16" hickory veneers for laminating together into the plywood of a skateboard. Skateboards are generally 7-ply slow growth Canadian maple. That was all fine and good when I was 130lbs and couldn't buy my own cigarettes but it's less so nowadays. Hickory's heavier than maple but it also takes a lot more to break by applying force perpendicular to the grain. Bamboo is as well and it's lighter than either of them but it flexes way more than maple and way way more than hickory.
Are you thinking of a composite laminate? Seems like a combo of alternating bamboo and hickory or maple might give a nice combination of strength, stiffness, and weight. Also, what are you thinking of gluing it together with? Apparently, normal wood glue is too rigid for something that flexes a lot - so YouTube tells me.
What I'd really like to do is a composite bamboo/bois d'arc deck but lumber prices have gone insane over the past six months and I have a shitload of hickory already on hand from hardwood flooring that was on the stage we ripped up at the church. So I'm spending time ripping 1/16"x1"x12" strips and laminating them together instead of spending money. Two or three hours of saw time gets you enough for one 1'x3' veneer, I want at least nine.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday November 14 2020, @11:12PM (6 children)
I know a feller what's put hundreds of hours into getting him some hand plane learning over the past three years. Dude can turn a dollar store plane into something that'll shave translucent curls of wood off of oak or purple heart with nothing but some diamond stones, Windex, and patience. I generally find a belt sander good enough but then I don't make many things in such a way that they have to be absolutely flat and perfectly square. I'm lazy and just make most things to where they'll look and function correctly even if they're an eighth of an inch off on half the measurements. There are exceptions but usually I find them more tedious than fulfilling.
The most recent exception is I'm making 1/16" hickory veneers for laminating together into the plywood of a skateboard. Skateboards are generally 7-ply slow growth Canadian maple. That was all fine and good when I was 130lbs and couldn't buy my own cigarettes but it's less so nowadays. Hickory's heavier than maple but it also takes a lot more to break by applying force perpendicular to the grain. Bamboo is as well and it's lighter than either of them but it flexes way more than maple and way way more than hickory. Plus I despise the double kick, narrow, concave boards they make nowadays. I'm an 80s skater and I like my boards 10-11 inches wide up by the front truck, at least a nine inch wide tail, very little nose, almost zero concavity, and only the single kick on the tail. Extra weight from hickory I can deal with easily since force = mass x acceleration and my mass has increased just a bit since I was a teenager.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Sunday November 15 2020, @12:02AM (3 children)
Sandpaper on a sheet of glass does it for me - too lazy to bring back the stones to flatness. Have done it only once for a plane irons but heaps of time for the chisels.
I bought a wooden block plane from the chinese, I stored it somewhere after sharpening the iron, fine tuning and trying it; beat me if I remember where I put it (I seriously need to unclutter my garage)
In any case, construction lumber is construction lumber, until I get to use the block/joiners planes, I'll need something to rough trim it (larger mouth/throat) if I want to get it done in this life. I'll probs go with an electric plane, even if my experience tells me it's quite easy to draw sharp grooves with the sides of it - flat blades, not chamfer, takes only a bit of leaning to the side and you have some more work to get rid of a groove you made with the time efficiency of a power tool.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday November 15 2020, @12:36AM (2 children)
Could always belt sand it nearly flat then finish the surface with the plane. I mean, it's pine or spruce or such, so it should go pretty quickly unless you built one thirty meters long. Hand tools are outstanding at what they do when they're more efficient, more precise, or more effective than power tools for that particular task, otherwise you're trading your time for RSI and smugness. Wish I could convince The Roomie of this. Watching him do woodworking with no power tools for aesthetic reasons is both painful and boring.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by deimtee on Sunday November 15 2020, @03:20PM (1 child)
I had teachers who would tear you a new one for planing after you sand. Any grit that got left behind would wreck the blade edge.
No problem is insoluble, but at Ksp = 2.943×10−25 Mercury Sulphide comes close.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday November 15 2020, @06:29PM
Oh absolutely. But if it's your plane and you're the one having to sharpen it...
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday November 15 2020, @03:48AM (1 child)
Are you thinking of a composite laminate? Seems like a combo of alternating bamboo and hickory or maple might give a nice combination of strength, stiffness, and weight. Also, what are you thinking of gluing it together with? Apparently, normal wood glue is too rigid for something that flexes a lot - so YouTube tells me.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday November 15 2020, @01:40PM
What I'd really like to do is a composite bamboo/bois d'arc deck but lumber prices have gone insane over the past six months and I have a shitload of hickory already on hand from hardwood flooring that was on the stage we ripped up at the church. So I'm spending time ripping 1/16"x1"x12" strips and laminating them together instead of spending money. Two or three hours of saw time gets you enough for one 1'x3' veneer, I want at least nine.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.