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U.S. Hits 11 Million Coronavirus Cases, Adding 1 Million In A Week
More than 11 million confirmed coronavirus cases have been recorded in the United States, according to a COVID-19 tracker by Johns Hopkins University. The country reported 166,555 new cases on Sunday, with 1,266 new deaths.
The staggering milestone was reached only six days after the U.S. hit 10 million cases. Positive test rates and hospitalization rates are on the rise across the country, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
[...] Hospitalizations continue to climb. More than 69,000 people were hospitalized as of Sunday, more than ever before.
The pandemic also continues to disproportionately affect Black and brown communities in the U.S. According to data from the CDC as of Nov. 7, hospitalization rates for Hispanic or Latino people are 4.2 times higher than that of white people. American Indian or Alaska Native people have been hospitalized at 4.1 times the rate of white people, with Black people being hospitalized at 3.9 times the rate of white people.
[...] The Trump administration has blocked the current coronavirus task force from communicating with President-elect Biden's team.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by martyb on Monday November 16 2020, @09:16PM (2 children)
I live alone and miss my family. Would love to spend time with them and offer support during this trying time.
What part of that is selfish (I want to see them and experience their company) and how much is selfless (wanting to be supportive)?
My take is that my motives may be good, but bringing the disease to them is not being helpful. Nor is potentially catching it from them and passing it along to my acquaintenances.
What I can do, safely, is reach out in *other* ways. Make a phone call (for that matter, why wait until Thanksgiving? Why not call today?) Why reach out only to my family? Why not reach out to friends I've not chatted with in a while? "This pandemic has been hard on everyone. I thought of you today and wondered how you were doing. Then I thought why not call and find out! So, how are you doing?
Just as this disease is contagious, so can reaching out to someone. Encourage them to call their friends and see how they are doing, too! (IOW: Make exponential growth work in our favor instead of against us.)
Wit is intellect, dancing. I'm too old to act my age. Life is too important to take myself seriously.
(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Monday November 16 2020, @10:07PM
Score: 6, Insightful
The world is full of kings and queens who blind your eyes and steal your dreams.
(Score: 5, Informative) by c0lo on Monday November 16 2020, @11:48PM
Maine Wedding Gives Half Of The Guests Coronavirus, Outbreak Leads To 177 Covid-19 Cases And 7 Deaths [forbes.com].
That's closer to the "American way", otherwise we'd not see the number of infections going up on the exponential (supra-unitary Rt)
https://www.youtube.com/@ProfSteveKeen https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 16 2020, @09:18PM (41 children)
There are a lot of people who are claiming that masks don't work and protesting mask mandates. I know that peer review isn't perfect, but it does serve as a useful filter on publications that either 1) use deeply flawed methodologies or 2) draw conclusions that aren't supported by the results. Because peer review is a basic filter to remove obviously flawed studies, we'll use that as the standard for evidence. There are plenty of peer-reviewed studies indicating that masks do work at preventing the spread of SARS-CoV-2.
Surely, if masks don't actually work, you can point to peer-reviewed studies with evidence showing that masks aren't effective. You should have no problem finding peer-reviewed studies showing that masks don't impede or actually enhance the spread of SARS-CoV-2. Or perhaps you have peer-reviewed studies showing that SARS-CoV-2 infection rates are the same or higher when masks are worn. If you're so confident in asserting that masks don't work, then you should have no problem sharing these studies with me.
I'd like to see your peer-reviewed studies showing that masks are ineffective. I'm not interested in anecdotal evidence, political arguments, personal testimony of individual doctors, or anything that has not passed peer review. Please share your peer-reviewed studies showing that masks are ineffective or worse at preventing SARS-CoV-2 from spreading.
(Score: 2) by FatPhil on Monday November 16 2020, @09:38PM (2 children)
The muhfreedumz will object to that sentence. You should have used "limitting" rather than "preventing".
And because of that single word slip, everything you've posted is entirely invalid.
As will your follow-up post, and the one after that.
In fact - YOU'RE BLOCKED!!!!
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people; the smallest discuss themselves
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 16 2020, @09:47PM (1 child)
You can't block AC, you blockhead. What, you thought this was the green site?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 16 2020, @10:18PM
"You can't stop the AC, Mal, you can't stop the AC. " "Guy killed me, Mal, with a
swordvirus. How weird is that?"(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday November 16 2020, @09:44PM (20 children)
I think that most of us who disagree with mask mandates have NOT said "they don't work".
Personally, claustrophobia has a strong affect on my attitude towards masks.
Generally, masks seem a whole hell of a lot of bother for limited returns. Especially when social distancing has as much or greater effect than the masks have.
I've noted before that it's alright to go grocery shopping, where you are in a probably contaminated space with dozens of other people. But, it's not alright to go out into the country side, walk through the park, have a family cookout, or whatever.
If you like your mask, you can keep your mask. Clutch it like you might clutch a lucky rabbit's foot charm. (wasn't especially lucky for the rabbit, but who am I to judge?)
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 16 2020, @10:09PM (11 children)
Do you have a link to a peer reviewed study saying that masks aren't very effective? If so, please post it.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 16 2020, @10:21PM
Runaway is an idiot. He thinks what he thinks for no reason. Very low-information and overall loser. Claustrophobic. He can't use a jock strap, or holster his gun for the same reasons that he cannot wear a mask: he has no consideration for other people. He is an asshole.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday November 16 2020, @10:39PM (8 children)
There are studies out the ass, and they all say about the same thing. Depending on which kind of mask you are wearing, you reduce the chance of transmission to greater and lesser degrees. But, you knew that already.
None of them reduce the chance of transmission to zero. Again, you knew that already.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 16 2020, @11:31PM (4 children)
So. Since they're not perfect we shouldn't use them? Ever?
(Score: 2) by MostCynical on Tuesday November 17 2020, @01:32AM (2 children)
there is a small chance one of Runaway's truck tires will go flat, one day. He should remove them and drive around on the rims.
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
(Score: 2) by Mykl on Tuesday November 17 2020, @02:24AM (1 child)
There is a small chance he could choke on food one day. He should switch to a liquid diet.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday November 17 2020, @04:42AM
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @04:35AM
I read it as we shouldn't need it ALL the time - to be frank he's right. There's definitely situations where the added probability of effectiveness outweighs the hassle where one is not used to it or have pre-disposed conditions that are aggravated by a mask like irritable/sensitive skin. It is also very dependent on your immediate locale as well.
Also, folks tend to critique based on their own situation, i.e. if you're in a densely populated city you'd think there's almost no situation where not wearing a mask would make sense, but they don't account for the fact that folks in the country, there's ample situations where wearing a mask is a bit pointless. All of a sudden they hear comments like Runaway and they project their situation and start to think that the dude is off the rails (not saying he isn't)
(Score: 2) by bmimatt on Tuesday November 17 2020, @04:09AM (1 child)
While we're ditching masks, why not ditch seat belts and motorcycle helmets, while we are at it?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @02:50PM
The esteemed manufacturers would be aggrieved and stop funding the esteemed lawmakers, that's why.
While you're mandating masks, why not mandate motorcycle helmets, indeed? That will have an additional benefit of reducing head trauma during mugging crime and road accidents.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @08:09AM
Well then reach in and pull one out!
But seriously, if everyone knows some masks are more effextive than others then why are you bringing it up? I suspect it is the anti-mask bias in conservative news so your brain is busy processing opposing world views.
Masks are worth wearing even if all they do is keep your breath from spreading out more than a foot. Proper medical n95 is better duh!
(Score: 2) by helel on Tuesday November 17 2020, @05:41AM
Best study on mask use. [nih.gov] Whether or not it shows masks to be ineffective is a matter of interpretation.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by sjames on Monday November 16 2020, @11:00PM (7 children)
If you want to be maskless in the middle of nowhere by your lonesome (or just with the people you live with), that's fine. The people who want mask mandates are tired of other people harming their chances of going disease free by going maskless in the grocery store, on busy sidewalks, and other places that could become more crowded than we'd like.
Consider, laws against things like juggling dynamite in the town square aren't because we care about YOUR safety. You telling others in the square that they're free to not juggle dynamite if they prefer doesn't address the issue at all. You can feel free to juggle dynamite in your back 40 by yourself all day long if you like. (Yes, my example exaggerates the risks, but not the principle).
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday November 17 2020, @02:21AM (6 children)
I never thought about it, TBH. But, supposing I did walk through the town square juggling dynamite - who is going to argue with me? Most people wouldn't notice or recognize the dynamite. Other people wouldn't give a crap. The hoplophobes are perfectly free to relocate themselves away from the dynamite.
Of course, I'm not a juggler. I'd probably keep the dynamite in my hip pocket or something where you wouldn't notice it.
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 2, Touché) by RandomFactor on Tuesday November 17 2020, @03:09AM (3 children)
I recommend a vest.
В «Правде» нет известий, в «Известиях» нет правды
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday November 17 2020, @05:38AM (2 children)
ROFLMAO - damned good one. If I were Muslim, I may have thought of that myself. ;^)
“I have become friends with many school shooters” - Tampon Tim Walz
(Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Tuesday November 17 2020, @09:16AM (1 child)
Nb: I think statistics shows it is the far right who are more prone to terrorism.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 18 2020, @05:40AM
I don't think that was his point, just that Runaway1956 would probably use a van bomb or drive straight through a crowd of protesters. Maybe take up a sniping position so he could carefully pick his targets. Using a vest bomb would blow himself up and US terrorists aren't fond of that. Runaway1956 has made enough sketchy comments about using vience against his political enemies, going so far as to say he'll use his gun to defend his offspring's economic futures from the brown skinned types.
So he knows, he was just having a bit of fun and probably isn't aware of the irony seeing him develop a sort of appreciation for his Muslim counterparts. Truly disturbing stuff, if old man runaway is ready to blow shit up then the US is probably in for a bumpy few years at least.
With any luck the FBI or NSA will be able to catch them before they hurt people.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @04:39AM
If your dynamite is going to invade their orifice and potentially kill them and their friends and families at a later date, I'd think they'd do more than just argue with you.
Between them hoplophobes and lonesome you, who do you think will likely be "relocated", forcefully or otherwise, as you put it?
(Score: 2) by sjames on Tuesday November 17 2020, @04:51AM
Please do give that a try and report back, but don't use your one phone call for that, ask your attorney to post the info for you.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday November 16 2020, @10:08PM
Like Scott Atlas, pushing lemmings off the cliff [go.com] after giving an interview to Russia's news channel [npr.org].
https://www.youtube.com/@ProfSteveKeen https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 3, Insightful) by VLM on Monday November 16 2020, @10:42PM (11 children)
Wrong verb, not are, but "historically were proven to be".
Lets say I wrote a paper doing all kinds of numerical analysis on "nobody wore masks in May to July" vs "mandatory mask wearing from Sept thru November" and the resulting first deriv of the infection rate.
So here's our laboratory experiment of billions of people behaving in various ways with various results. Note that November isn't over and it takes awhile to lock down the data, figure mid december.
Give the stat quant types a month or two to analyze, that's "valentines day"-ish Then two months to peer review thats mid April, a month or two to publish... figure you'll get to see your paper around or somewhat before Memorial Day 2021?
I mean, if I had a working time machine I'd have a lot more fun than hauling some paper from next may back to today.
Sure, you can look at the graphs today and LOL about the misinformation about masks and how it was all a feel-good big lie that killed a lot of people by providing a false sense of security. But your gold standard paper isn't going to be in the pages of a journal for months...
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 16 2020, @10:58PM
The CDC has a meta-article [cdc.gov] that cites many peer-reviewed studies, including many from 2020 that address the efficacy of masks at preventing the spread of SARS-CoV-2. Some of the cited articles are preprints and some of them are older and aren't intended to address the current pandemic. However, many of them are current and are intended to address masks as a measure for reducing the spread of SARS-CoV-2.
I didn't ask for a "gold standard paper" but for any peer reviewed papers that support your position. Can you provide those peer reviewed papers?
(Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Tuesday November 17 2020, @09:23AM (9 children)
VLM, just to point out that this article (from the AC reply)
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/masking-science-sars-cov2.html [cdc.gov]
has links to a few "real world" papers discussing people wearing masks and not spreading covid - both on an anecdotal level and also on population level.
FTFL:
> A study of an outbreak aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt, an environment notable for congregate
> living quarters and close working environments, found that use of face coverings on-board was associated
> with a 70% reduced risk.
> Investigations involving infected passengers aboard flights longer than 10 hours strongly suggest that
> masking prevented in-flight transmissions, as demonstrated by the absence of infection developing in
> other passengers and crew in the 14 days following exposure.
> In a study of 124 Beijing households with > 1 laboratory-confirmed case of SARS-CoV-2 infection, mask
> use by the index patient and family contacts before the index patient developed symptoms reduced
> secondary transmission within the households by 79%.
I don't think, in the "real world", it will be possible to get much better confirmation than this. I would question any population level study in e.g. US due to so many confounding factors (e.g. Donald Trump!)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @05:48PM (1 child)
Personally, I think you are wasting your time trying to engage VLM in debate. He's one of those "alternative facts" guys.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 18 2020, @05:32AM
And apparently a gym rat. I get strong "louder with crowder" vibes off him. Maybe one day he can aim for Gym Jordan levels, cover up sexual assault yet still make it into politics! Racism sells really well to a large portion of the US apparently.
(Score: 2) by VLM on Wednesday November 18 2020, @04:18PM (6 children)
Hmm thats interesting historical data.
I wonder what the cause for the explosive increase in infection since schools reopened is.
Clearly, we were sold a false narrative that draconian 100% mask wearing will make schools safe as that clearly has not been the case.
Possibly in the mathematical models, in the long run, "70% reduced risk" has no practical, "engineering useful" effect. Kinda like filtered cigarettes as a method of eliminating lung cancer or wearing a bandana to prevent asbestos cancer.
(Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Wednesday November 18 2020, @05:33PM (5 children)
Yeah, maybe. Or perhaps just school kids are less strong on everything else - hygiene, social distancing, etc. What is the use of a mask in the corridor when you are sharing ciggies behind the bike shed?
Doesn't change the fact that it is probably worth wearing a mask in the supermarket, which is the "gist" of what some others are arguing (though others still are being trollish about it).
(Score: 2) by VLM on Friday November 20 2020, @03:36PM (4 children)
They're draconian here, cameras everywhere, suspension if you remove the mask, etc.
(Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Friday November 20 2020, @03:46PM (3 children)
Wow. Is that the US?
(Score: 2) by VLM on Saturday November 21 2020, @04:09PM (2 children)
I guess I live in an area with VERY powerful teachers union, and they are EXTREMELY devout on the left, and its become something of a religious sacrament on the left to wear a mask, so yeah.
The policy letter is something like 1 mask infraction parents are contacted and you get lectured, 2nd mask infraction inschool suspension, 3rd mask infraction involuntary transfer to the online-only school group and you're not likely to get approved to transfer back outside of legally mandated school choice windows.
None of which matters anymore because they shut down once daily infection rates twelve-tupled compared to Sept 1st numbers.
Interesting display of bravery or ... something, they shut down in the spring and spring maxed out at 1.5 times what we had on Sept 1st. Suddenly on sept 15 the case load went vertical to 2x and never stopped climbing. They kept the schools kept open, killing more and more people for two months "but its OK because the kids are wearing masks so they can't possibly be the cause".
(Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Sunday November 22 2020, @09:23AM (1 child)
Here in the UK there are a lot of questions about university students potentially causing problems - a large migratory population moving between two or more social groups (i.e. home and uni) and potentially more risk taking behaviour (what with being 18-21). School kids have received less attention, although there is some evidence of spreading among schools. Mask wearing only became compulsory about 6 weeks into term, and then only while moving around the school.
There is a balance of risk argument - not going to school has risks, both educational and also pastoral (i.e. for some home environment is not a safe one). University should probably have moved to "remote only" this term, but I can see a much stronger case for schools being "face to face", or "face to face unless high incidence of covid in the area".
It's a shame in the US covid has become so politicised. In the US it feels like these sorts of discussions don't seem to happen in a calm and rational way. Election year doesn't help, and some of the personalities involved have made things worse as well. Maybe it's just that SN presents the worst face of USian politics?
(Score: 2) by VLM on Thursday November 26 2020, @04:46PM
The rise of toxic virtue signaling. You can't get likes on FB or updoots on Reddit for optimizing the ideal OSHA approved breathing protection for lead paint abatement, but "wear your mask to prove orange man bad" will get a trillion upvotes.
Oh and don't forget we have a national history of stuff like smallpox blankets and the tuskagee syphillis experiment. I'm pretty sure that kind of thing goes on today, with covid.
Our schools have a online tracker and you can watch the little graphs go exponential as individual schools have outbreaks until they get shut down, which they basically all are shut down now.
But you know, the message is just wear a mask and get out there and do black friday shopping, as the graphs go vertical, LOL. Another knee slapping hilarious one is the media advice to skip thanksgiving with the family but be sure to get those door busters on black friday.
(Score: 2) by GlennC on Tuesday November 17 2020, @12:07AM
They're just making excuses trying to keep from saying that their "freedoms" are more important than their health.
Never mind the health of those around them; other people are none of their concern.
Sorry folks...the world is bigger and more varied than you want it to be. Deal with it.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Tuesday November 17 2020, @01:50AM (1 child)
The thing is, masks are a long way from perfect. You really need to combine masks with social distancing and with frequent hand washing, and also protecting your eyes. And even some people who were wearing full protective garb have caught it. (I never heard the details of that one, though.)
Some people are innumerate, and don't even understand simple probability calculations. It can be impossible to explain what's going on to them...so a simplified story that has been simplified into a lie gets passed around.
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @04:46AM
Its pandemic, selfishness that is. Truly dumb people would be easily persuaded, selfish & dumb people not so much. When you have a system where its everyone for themselves you get what you deserve. Maybe stop arguing with the dumb & selfish and start getting your so called elected who are apparently the right person for the job according to all the media and celebrities to fix it?
We know the previous selfish dumb ass certainly made it worst. Surely it couldn't get more worse than it already is right?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @02:25PM
FTFY. You can substitute "flagellation" or "human sacrifice" to better demonstrate the power of your brand of reason. :)
(Score: 5, Insightful) by martyb on Monday November 16 2020, @09:42PM (22 children)
I have heard some people claim "It's no worse than the flu".
First off, the flu is no joy, It can set you on your back for several days, in such pain that you wished you were dead.
Secondly, it's a false claim. According to the US CDC [cdc.gov], over the past 10 years, *annual* flu deaths have varied from 12,000 to 61,000.
That is over the course of an entire flu season in any given year. Coronavirus has claimed 50,000 lives... in just the past two months and the rate in *increasing*.
To put that in perspective, the 9/11 attacks claimed, what was it? About 6,000 people?
For some truly sobering statistics, compare COVID-19 infections and deaths to US war casualties and deaths [va.gov]. Pretty much every conflict is listed.
Wit is intellect, dancing. I'm too old to act my age. Life is too important to take myself seriously.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Rosco P. Coltrane on Monday November 16 2020, @09:50PM
To put things into perspective, don't forget to include non-US casualties due to US warmongering [worldfuturefund.org]. That's a lot more sobering.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by Opportunist on Monday November 16 2020, @10:11PM (3 children)
Want some other perspective? Currently, more US people die every day than died in WW2 every day.
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Monday November 16 2020, @10:43PM (2 children)
Illness far outweighs deaths by war, at least in the United States. I would imagine that it's similar in the rest of the world.
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm [cdc.gov]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties [wikipedia.org]
USA WWII Casualties:
419,400
USA WWII Wounded:
671,801
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 2) by Freeman on Monday November 16 2020, @11:02PM (1 child)
Even found the total US deaths for 1945 (Excluding WWII Casualties):
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/vsus/vsus_1945_1.pdf [cdc.gov]
United States Deaths: 1,401,719
USA Population in 1945: 139.93 million
USA Population in 2018: 326.69 million
Which means that there was a 1% mortality rate in 1945 and a 0.8% mortality rate in 2018. Even the supposed extra quarter of a million deaths from Covid for 2020 is likely to be a small blip in the overall death rate statistics.
By comparison, the average death in WWII was much worse for the USA as a whole as each one of those deaths was essentially a working age adult in their prime or before they even reached that. Whereas those quarter of a million deaths or so from Covid are essentially old people that were going to die from something soon anyway or a person with preexisting conditions that contributed to death.
Now, how many people would die, if the USA economy collapsed?
Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Tuesday November 17 2020, @01:52AM
Valid points, but to make them accurate you need to include "long COVID" in you figures, and nobody has been counting those cases.
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.
(Score: 2) by legont on Monday November 16 2020, @10:29PM (12 children)
The virus claimed at least 350000 lives based on excess death numbers and will sure hit WWII four years total in one year. Given that the immunity is likely no longer than 6 months and the severity of the following infections are way worse, we should have 5-10 WWII casualties by 2025.
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 2) by crafoo on Monday November 16 2020, @10:54PM (1 child)
Sucks to be fat, old, and vitamin-D deficient I guess. The Earth will continue to orbit the Sun. Humans will be fine. If you are worried/scared, self-isolate. The rest of us are busy getting shit done.
(Score: 2) by legont on Tuesday November 17 2020, @01:59AM
Sucks to be young and unemployed without any future except sucking dicks of old geezers like myself. We will fuck you and your offsprings in every unimaginable ways.
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday November 16 2020, @11:39PM (7 children)
Assuming you go ahead in the same conditions. Which is a weak assumption, as many things can happen in between
- you may have vaccines available, in enough quantities to repeat the shot every 3 months
- you may learn to deal with a pandemic the way South Korea does, without lockdows
- you learn nothing and go as of todat (on the exponential), until your health care melts down and the overall mortality climbs for non-covid related deaths (still originated in a covid epidemic out of control)
- the virus may mutate into something more deadly, in which case you can reach the same figures in 3-6 months.
https://www.youtube.com/@ProfSteveKeen https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by legont on Tuesday November 17 2020, @01:53AM (6 children)
I could comment on all of the points, but the first one seems the most important. We had decades to come up with a vaccine for AIDS which uses similar infection vector. We also had millenniums to come up with cures for cold and covid is just a bad cold.
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday November 17 2020, @02:19AM (5 children)
Let me give you the disclaimer in fin/investment industries: "past performance is not a guarantee of future performance. Consult your advisor".
Especially when various vaccines with 90%+ are already announced
And this is relevant how?
I'll give you another example for your progression: MERS - a "cold" deadlier than COVID [wikipedia.org] is a pandemic that the humans got suppressed without any vaccine.
https://www.youtube.com/@ProfSteveKeen https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by legont on Tuesday November 17 2020, @02:39AM (4 children)
The reason I don't believe covid vaccines is very simple. The virus is from the family that uses immune system to invade the body. Check AIDS, Dengue fever, and, at least, common cold.
However, I like to have many belivers like you. We need you to take the vaccine, get sick or not, and protect us.
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday November 17 2020, @03:14AM (2 children)
Frankly, my dear, as long as you don't kill others, I don't give a damn.
https://www.youtube.com/@ProfSteveKeen https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 1, Redundant) by legont on Tuesday November 17 2020, @10:44AM (1 child)
You don't need to give a damn for me to profit in this case. However if you do come to my door with this vaccine, I will shoot through the door.
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 18 2020, @05:53AM
Really? You'll shoot someone for bringing something to your door? Won't even check if they are gonna forcefully vaccinate you? Just straight to murder?
You realize yku'd be arrested right? You don't get to shoot people that knock on your door.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @06:06AM
No, those are all completely different families. SARS-CoV-2 is in the family Coronaviridae. HIV is in the family Retroviridae. DENV is in the family Flaviviridae.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday November 17 2020, @04:45AM (1 child)
Or maybe it didn't. That's the problem with excess death numbers. They don't tell you what caused the problem.
(Score: 2) by legont on Tuesday November 17 2020, @10:41AM
Yes, it very well may be not the virus itself, but our reaction to it - bad or simply delayed medical care for other conditions, for example or deaths due to job losses. Nevertheless, I think we can assume it is the pandemic related number similar to the war deaths numbers which are not just killed in action.
BTW, do we know the US excess death during WWII?
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 2) by VLM on Monday November 16 2020, @10:49PM (3 children)
I think the most fascinating part is how age and weight dependent it is.
Like for skinny kids its asymptomatic and on average its a LOL.
You could likely calculate weight and age statistics graphs to specify on average where it is, in fact, no worse.
It "seems" the balance point is around 60 years and 300-400 pounds. Worse than those specs and on a population average covid is much worse than the flu. Better than those specs and on a population average its less dangerous than the flu. I'd be mildly curious about the actual stats.
Its just weird its like blood sugar levels or blood pressure somehow affects the virus itself, kinda unusual compared to the average virus. Given that it literally leaked out of a germ warfare lab in China, it seems a weird design criteria to leave the young thin soldiers unharmed but wipe out the fat old civilians. How does that even work as a strategic weapon design criteria?
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Tuesday November 17 2020, @01:56AM (2 children)
Sorry, but no. For *most* skinny kids it's essentially asymptomatic. Some, however, have died. Others have gotten sick and never really recovered. But *most* skinny kids don't have any trouble. I'm sure, however, that you're unlikely to have to tell a mother that her child died because he was unlucky.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @02:36PM
What else would you tell a mother whose child had drowned? That dihydrogen monoxide is horrible and you are on a crusade to ban it?
https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/drowning [who.int]
https://www.dhmo.org/facts.html [dhmo.org]
(Score: 2) by VLM on Wednesday November 18 2020, @04:14PM
The fatality rate for kids, including fat and sick ones, is sooooo low that
(Score: 5, Interesting) by Rosco P. Coltrane on Monday November 16 2020, @09:45PM (10 children)
I'm not sure what good Biden's team being kept abreast of things could do, but if there's even a remote chance that it would improve matters, someone in the Trump administration needs to be criminally sued over this. This is disgraceful!
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by legont on Monday November 16 2020, @10:14PM
The Retard and the Bitch are better be off.
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday November 16 2020, @10:29PM (5 children)
The fuckers who died are at fault. I mean, look, Trump is trying to make them earn some money to live just another day and the fuckers simply die to spite Trump. (large grin)
On a serious note: it is not only Trump's fault that 10% of Americans were below the poverty line [statista.com] before COVID struck. I sorta take exception on your "someone", because the problem is rooted in the rules of the game the Americans play; just happens that they draw an unlucky hand now, but it is a matter of when, not if, for such an unlucky hand. And such hands will still likely occur once Covid is over.
https://www.youtube.com/@ProfSteveKeen https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 16 2020, @10:38PM (4 children)
Seriously, I know you're not a USAian, but you're a huge Trump-hater, so let me ask you this: do you want a dictator, or not? Because in USA, even though you (all) call Trump a "fascist dictator", I know of NO criminal or civil penalty for not wearing a mask.
I'm not sure what you want. And despite state and local restrictions, guidelines, edicts, etc., I've seen quite large groups of people gathered, very closely, and NO masks. Should there be the COVID SS? Will there be one under Biden? People dragged into COVID quarantine prison camps?
Again, should Trump have instituted actual dictatorship? Should Biden? Is that what you lefties want?
(I wear masks, wash / sanitize hands and objects, social distance even with masks, check temperature, take vitamins D, C, whatever)
(Score: 5, Insightful) by c0lo on Monday November 16 2020, @11:09PM (3 children)
I'm an engineer who sees a problem being handled with not only suboptimal approaches, but quite often ones that make the problem worse.
Go learn a lesson or two from those "commie" South Koreans on how to deal with the Covid pandemic.
After, maybe we'll talk about what I want or not (if you really learned the lessons, it's unlikely that we'll need further discussions).
Because the virus really cares about democracy or dictatorship or left/right leaning or freedom of speech, right?
Or maybe it is that "the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of our elderly, blood to be extracted through their failing lungs over long days of agony"?
https://www.youtube.com/@ProfSteveKeen https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @12:41AM (1 child)
The liberal news media has a wonderful bridge for sale just for you.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @01:12AM
Ok, mate, go play in the ONAN's yard. Sorry, small mistake, I think they call themselves OANN, the wankers.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday November 17 2020, @02:39PM
camps on a social site through all hours of every day? Pull the other one, hired troll.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 16 2020, @10:31PM (1 child)
You're assuming it's true. Not everything you read is true.
And remember, thanks to TV, movies, plays, entertainment in general, we live in the age of drama. EVERYTHING is exaggerated to the extents of absurdity. One clerk may have tried to ask Trump something, was put on hold, and being triggered, reported it as "BLOCKED".
And, since Trump and team have failed so miserably, why get anything from them? There's a huge amount of information available without them- start your own task force and system and plan.
(Score: 2) by MostCynical on Tuesday November 17 2020, @01:39AM
so you're saying many decades of process for hand over of power should now be thrown out, and all functions of government and even the White House should be replicated/duplicated, because Trump's administration won't share/do its job?
Who'd be first to scream 'illegitimate government'?
"I guess once you start doubting, there's no end to it." -Batou, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Tuesday November 17 2020, @02:08AM
Given how poorly Trumps people have done, I'm not sure I *want* Biden's people learning from them.
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(Score: 2) by legont on Tuesday November 17 2020, @02:32AM
This Friday I bought a gun - background check and everything - without ever removing my mask. They did not have ammo, unfortunately. The place I got ammo from required mask to be removed, but did not check any id.
Back to older times, there was always a conflict between police and bikers as bikes wanted to wear masks for obvious reasons. We are very happy now. Long live covid and other bugs!
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.
(Score: 3, Funny) by chewbacon on Tuesday November 17 2020, @02:45AM (1 child)
I thought this shit was going away after the election???
(Score: 2) by legont on Tuesday November 17 2020, @02:58AM
New masters need excuses as well and the proven ones work best.
"Wealth is the relentless enemy of understanding" - John Kenneth Galbraith.