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The Guardian has a story detailing the firing of Christopher Krebs, who served as the director of the Department of Homeland Security's Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (Cisa)
President Trump made the announcement on Twitter on Tuesday, saying Krebs "has been terminated" and that his recent statement defending the security of the election was "highly inaccurate".
CISA last week released a statement refuting claims of widespread voter fraud. "The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history," the statement read. "There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised."
Krebs, is a former Microsoft executive, and was appointed by President Trump after allegations of Russian interference with the 2016 election.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 19 2020, @04:34PM (24 children)
"Diebold" is not "us tech types"; don't move the goalposts... Your claim was that "us tech types" changed our minds.
I know of Diebold and I know how bad their software (and practices) are. I believe it even was "us tech types" calling attention to that.
(Score: -1, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday November 19 2020, @04:44PM (23 children)
Which is exactly what I said, dumbass. We went from intense scrutiny and screaming about security flaws in Diebold machines to completely trusting all voting machines like our history had never happened.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 5, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 19 2020, @04:55PM (8 children)
Go back to my initial response to your post:
What I dispute is your claim that "us tech types" are (currently) arguing in favor of trusting, blindly or otherwise, computerized voting machines. My counterclaim is that "us tech types" have always, and continue to, argue /against/ using these types of machines and that we argue in favor of paper-based voting.
I don't know if it's me or if you're trying to be deliberately obtuse, but I have a hunch based on your previous response...
(Score: 3, Interesting) by DeathMonkey on Thursday November 19 2020, @06:30PM
Buzzard is the only one here who voted on a paper-trail free system.
Maybe instead of bitching about it on a website he could vote for those 'tech types' who want to fix the problem.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 19 2020, @06:46PM (1 child)
The buzztard has a well-known habit of being obtuse. Whether it is deliberate or not is anyone's guess. In any case it is not you. Just so you know.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 19 2020, @07:28PM
Obtuse? I thought it was obstinate. Or obstreperous. Or Obstetric. Obstructive? Ostragoon? Or possibly Obstragastric. We mailed in our electronic votes? What they heck is he even talking about? Mail-in ballots are on paper. Provisional ballots are on paper. Absentee ballots are paper. TMB is stuck in the past.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 19 2020, @07:19PM (1 child)
Maybe I'm misreading TMB's first post, but I read it as sarcasm. Either way, Poe's Law is in full effect.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 19 2020, @07:40PM
Every single time I think TMB is trolling he claims to be serious, and frequently his serious posts look like trolling. I think he is more influenced by propaganda and conspiracy crap than he thinks. I haven't seen a single person say voting machines are trustworthy, so he is probably mixing in some of his amger about the election.
Bonus, he will just deny any support of Trump and NOTHING ever upsets him; even when many things obviously upset him. He might be almost entirely detached from his own emotional states.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday November 20 2020, @01:01AM (2 children)
I'm not the one being obtuse here. You need to read the rest of the responses. You're very much in the minority, even of this community, if you dare criticize the security of electronic voting.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @05:26PM (1 child)
I think you're missing the point that we don't have electronic voting. It's always counted by hand as well. Fix your own state if they can't get basic shit right.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday November 22 2020, @01:00AM
Are you fucking stupid? Pieces of paper with ink on them are not especially difficult to create at will.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 19 2020, @08:16PM (13 children)
https://www.inquirer.com/politics/pennsylvania/pa-new-voting-machines-for-2020-with-paper-trails-20200101.html [inquirer.com]
So it seems they did it fucking right, but then you bring up something else for what reason exactly??
(Score: 4, Touché) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday November 20 2020, @01:06AM (12 children)
You think? Unless they give you one for recounts and one to keep, with a matching nonce so fuckery can be proven to be fuckery, you still have zero accountability. If you can't prove your specific vote was changed, you can't prove shit.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @02:37AM (1 child)
The people that keep on insisting that there is no fraud keep on failing to get the point. I suspect it's intentional. The point is the following.
I do not hold the burden to prove fraud. The government holds the burden to prove legitimacy. They hold that burden because I pay taxes. They have completely and utterly failed to meet that burden. Anything short of an end-to-end auditable voting system fails to meet the burden. If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear.
I want more to be done to prove to me that there was no fraud. A lot more. I do not see the burden being met. Not even close. I do not hold the burden to prove fraud. They hold the burden to prove legitimacy. They haven't met that burden. At all.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @05:31PM
The government doesn't run the elections, citizens do! The poll workers are volunteers (although they do receive nominal pay in some places), often retirees and students. Go work an election, or just go vote and look at how it's operated.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @02:38AM (9 children)
With a secret ballot you can't prove your vote was tampered with at all. If the electronic machines produce a paper backup that the voter reviews before submitting both electronic and paper ballots then you have a reasonable method for manually rechecking the votes. If a voter can check that his/her vote was counted exactly as cast then you no longer have a secret ballot and are back to a situation where vote selling and intimidation practices are feasible.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @02:55AM (1 child)
You're an idiot. The current mail in ballot allows vote buying to happen. I can simply show someone my ballot and show myself mailing it in.
Please, stop intentionally acting stupid like we're too dumb to get this. We get it. You're being dishonest and we very clearly see your dishonesty. It's obvious.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @05:40PM
How do you hide any significant vote buying scheme in 2020? You're being ridiculous.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @03:17AM (2 children)
Anyways alleged issues with an end to end auditable voting system when compared to what we have now can be found here in the comments
https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=20/11/06/1027247 [soylentnews.org]
by Anonymous Coward on Saturday November 07, @03:14PM (#1074136)
Since the (paid?) trolls will keep on bringing it up I figure I'll just link back to the response.
Also
https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=20/11/09/1823255 [soylentnews.org]
by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 11, @03:05AM (#1076017)
Which pretty much repeats the same thing.
Much of this is redundant. Yet the trolls keep on bringing up the same arguments. "Vote buying is possible". Not any more possible than our current system of mail in ballots.
There should be a list of registered voters that voted so we can tally the number of votes we should expect. Then there should be a list of votes with my vote on that list. The question is how do we prove that all registered voters on the list exist and are still alive during the elections? Perhaps enough information to uniquely identify each voter if necessary? Maybe everyone's first and last name along with a voterID (the voterID can be listed online) that's associated to an offline database that also has more information on that person like DOB, address, contact info, perhaps info on a few relatives or associates that voted, etc... so that certain non-anonymous people (ie: perhaps anyone without a criminal background willing to physically check in and have their independent audits logged such as the press) can investigate various listings.
But something better than what we currently have. What we currently have is garbage. It's faith based. I want something proof based.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @09:44PM (1 child)
Are you sure there isn't? Voting in-person, where I am, involves signing my entry on a list of registered voters. Mail-in requires name, signature, and address, so the same thing can be done. I think provisional ballots require the same information.
More non-anonymous votes makes it more possible.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @11:27PM
This is silly logic.
There is no such thing as 'more possible' or 'less possible'. It's either possible or it's not. If the option is available at all then it's possible regardless of how it's possible.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @03:21AM (2 children)
"are back to a situation where vote selling and intimidation practices are feasible."
So then you agree that we should do away with mail in ballots since mail in ballots allow me to simply show my ballot to someone else before submitting, right?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @09:32PM (1 child)
Yes, mail-in ballots are no longer secret. Removing them and only allowing in-person voting would be more secure. There's a bit of a difference between a few mail-in ballots and every ballot though. Also the current pandemic makes having everyone vote in-person a bit risky though, unless there are more voting locations or a longer voting window(more days to vote). And there's the issue of people that are eligible to vote but physically cannot get to a polling station. Personally I always did in-person voting until this November.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday November 20 2020, @11:32PM
"There's a bit of a difference between a few mail-in ballots and every ballot though."
Uhm ... no. It's either possible and those that want to sell their votes can do it or it's not possible and they can't. There is no middle ground here.
If you claim vote buying is a potential problem then any possibility for its existence is a potential problem. To claim otherwise is a non-sequitur.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday November 22 2020, @01:04AM
Yes, you can. It is possible to create a nonce for each ballot that cannot be reversed to identify anyone. Yes, even with a sampling as small as the US population.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.