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posted by Fnord666 on Thursday November 19 2020, @03:26PM   Printer-friendly
from the retribution-can-be-petty dept.

The Guardian has a story detailing the firing of Christopher Krebs, who served as the director of the Department of Homeland Security's Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (Cisa)

President Trump made the announcement on Twitter on Tuesday, saying Krebs "has been terminated" and that his recent statement defending the security of the election was "highly inaccurate".

CISA last week released a statement refuting claims of widespread voter fraud. "The November 3rd election was the most secure in American history," the statement read. "There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised."

Krebs, is a former Microsoft executive, and was appointed by President Trump after allegations of Russian interference with the 2016 election.


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  • (Score: 3, Touché) by The Mighty Buzzard on Friday November 20 2020, @01:41AM (12 children)

    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Friday November 20 2020, @01:41AM (#1079532) Homepage Journal

    Go volunteer to work a poll next time. See if you can find a way to tell a fraudulent vote from a perfectly legitimate one during the counting phase or the recount phase.

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  • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Friday November 20 2020, @02:07AM (2 children)

    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Friday November 20 2020, @02:07AM (#1079545)

    See if you can find a way to tell a fraudulent vote from a perfectly legitimate one during the counting phase or the recount phase.

    The ballots coming out of the underwear of the observers, they smell fishy to me.

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    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday November 22 2020, @01:29AM (1 child)

      by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Sunday November 22 2020, @01:29AM (#1080316) Homepage Journal

      Man, I dunno what kind of fish you fish for but you need to pick a new species.

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      • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday November 22 2020, @01:58PM

        by JoeMerchant (3937) on Sunday November 22 2020, @01:58PM (#1080425)

        It has more to do with the age and how it was stored than the species.

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  • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Friday November 20 2020, @02:22AM (8 children)

    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Friday November 20 2020, @02:22AM (#1079552)

    Go volunteer to work a poll next time.

    That's an excellent suggestion for every single idiot alleging fraud in this election. First: shut up until you put up and learn something about the processes of your actual election authorities. Second: if you think you can "white hat hack" the system with massive fraud, I encourage you to register your intent with a lawyer and several judges in multiple jurisdictions before trying to perpetrate your hack and see how far you get before you are caught.

    With anything less than a 30% penetration of the applicable volunteer workforce, I predict exposure and arrest before you pass even 0.1% of the state vote total in any federal level elections. It's a lot like bitcoin - if the system is overwhelmed with corruption, yeah, fraud can happen and go undetected for a short time. Unlike bitcoin, the law allows for capture and arrest after the hack is done.

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    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday November 22 2020, @01:34AM (7 children)

      by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Sunday November 22 2020, @01:34AM (#1080317) Homepage Journal

      Get your reading glasses. I'm not alleging fraud. It's an absolute certainty there was fraud but I have no idea how much. I'm saying our election system is either crafted the way it is to facilitate rather than deter fraud or the motherfuckers in charge of setting it up should be neutered for extraordinary levels of incompetence and fired. Out of a cannon.

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      • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday November 22 2020, @01:48PM (6 children)

        by JoeMerchant (3937) on Sunday November 22 2020, @01:48PM (#1080423)

        It's an absolute certainty there was fraud but I have no idea how much.

        I agree there is fraud, I have a pretty good idea that it's in the noise, far less than 0.1% of the vote totals. The 2000 election might have been decided by the fraud noise in Florida, and that's a shame. What's more of a shame is that there is such a difference in outcome between one choice and the other, I'd much prefer a system like March madness where we downselect multiple rounds to an optimal representative, rather than a single sudden death match between opposing sides. This election is nowhere near as close as 2000. If the trumpettes can't unbunch their panties by January 20th and accept that maybe we will get some more positive motion in election trustworthiness. I do think we have made clear positive progress compared to 20 years ago.

        I'm saying our election system is either crafted the way it is to facilitate rather than deter fraud

        It's not facilitating fraud, it is facilitating access. Same kind of issues as computer security. I think they should work toward increased transparency - which is impossible at some point due to secrecy of the ballot, but maybe my vote can be tallied on one side and my secret hash code can be published on a blockchain where I can check to see that my vote was tallied but nobody else can read what my vote was (except the quantum cryptography lab...) IDK, but trust in the system should be increased wherever possible. You got any brilliant suggestions?

        the motherfuckers in charge of setting it up should be neutered for extraordinary levels of incompetence and fired. Out of a cannon.

        Sure, the beatings will continue until morale improves - that always works so well. Also, jockeying for advantage like sabotage of the postal system, shutdown of polling locations, etc. is negative progress, IMO.

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        • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday November 22 2020, @02:51PM (5 children)

          by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Sunday November 22 2020, @02:51PM (#1080440) Homepage Journal

          I agree there is fraud, I have a pretty good idea that it's in the noise, far less than 0.1% of the vote totals.

          The problem is, that is entirely a faith-based opinion. There is, by design, no way at all to tell a fraudulent ballot from a real one once they're all in a pile.

          It's not facilitating fraud, it is facilitating access.

          No, it's not about access. There is zero excuse for not demanding proof that someone is who they say they are, entitled to vote, and alive before you allow them a vote. And yet Dem states do their dead level best to remove all of the above, ensuring that there is no possible way to verify that a registration was legitimate after the fact.

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          • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Sunday November 22 2020, @04:59PM (4 children)

            by JoeMerchant (3937) on Sunday November 22 2020, @04:59PM (#1080453)

            The problem is, that is entirely a faith-based opinion.

            Taking sides now, the problem with Trump supporters is they have some kind of magical faith that following the unsubstantiated- often clearly false -spew that he Tweets is what they NEED for a better life.

            it's not about access

            It's time to get your blinders cleaned. Plenty of the actions taken leading up to November 3 2020 were all about restricting access for predominantly DEM voting areas and demographics. These were simple fact based reports of concrete actions undeniably taken, unlike the fairy tale boogeymen of fake voters and ginned up "affidavits" alleging cheating.

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            • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday November 23 2020, @12:29PM (3 children)

              by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Monday November 23 2020, @12:29PM (#1080637) Homepage Journal

              You really going to point and say how bad the other guy is when I point out an indisputable problem in your own house? That's bullshit pundit nonsense and you know it. And demanding a photo ID is hardly limiting access. Unless, do you think black folks are somehow incapable of scraping up a few bucks once every several years and standing in a line at the DMV like those fundamentally superior but oppressive white folks?

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              • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Monday November 23 2020, @07:08PM (2 children)

                by JoeMerchant (3937) on Monday November 23 2020, @07:08PM (#1080765)

                an indisputable problem in your own house?

                I don't live in Cali, dude. Florida cleaned house after 2000, we actually have the voting thing pretty well nailed now, IMO.

                And demanding a photo ID is hardly limiting access.

                Having a single location [texastribune.org] for drop boxes in counties with populations in excess of 5 million people, that's limiting access.

                Single polling places with long lines open for a single day is limiting access [americanprogress.org].

                Demand your photo I.D. to register, verify the fuck out of it - it's not hard with the "gold star" documentation requirements for travel these days. And, then, shut the fuck up about how mail-ins are "a cheat, a steal, a lib-dem-flim-flam and we all know it" without providing any proof of the same.

                What's even better than the poor us whining is the lame ass [lawandcrime.com] mockeries of proof [fastcompany.com] that are being submitted, apparently as the best available evidence of fraud in the elections. If this is what you all want to pass for legal proof going forward, let's see how businesses fare when consumers start piling bullshit lawsuits at their doorstep expecting equal treatment in the courts as politicians.

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                • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday November 24 2020, @02:47PM (1 child)

                  by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Tuesday November 24 2020, @02:47PM (#1080991) Homepage Journal

                  Drop boxes? There shouldn't be drop boxes to begin with. That's just asking for trouble. If for no other reason than you can drop things other than ballots in them. Like, say, half a gallon of black ink or a lit sparkler.

                  As for long lines, I guess the DMV limits access too then. Yet everyone who actually wants a driver's license or state ID seems to have no problem actually getting one. If you want more polling places, make more polling places. Our town has several when we could get by just fine with only one; they're never even slightly busy except when a family all comes up to vote at the same time. Your town is your business.

                  You don't need proof of misdeeds to say that misdeeds are not just possible but dead simple and completely unaccountable. By design. And that's what I've been saying. I don't give a rat's ass what Trump and co have been saying, because I don't give a rat's ass about Trump and co. I do give a rat's ass that my vote and yours don't get nullified by a dead, illegal, imaginary felon though.

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                  • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday November 24 2020, @03:19PM

                    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday November 24 2020, @03:19PM (#1080999)

                    Drop boxes? There shouldn't be drop boxes to begin with.

                    So there should be no mail-in option whatsoever, because you believe the election workers are an excellent judge of false/true identity and you implicitly trust them to make that call? All the drop box does is cut out the postal service, which has shown itself to be less than 100% reliable in the recent election. Better security for the voters, also much easier to detect if somebody is trying to "stuff" 1000 ballots than if they show up in postal boxes all over town.

                    Like, say, half a gallon of black ink or a lit sparkler.

                    Have you ever even been to a polling place? Any polling place I have been to is attended, things going into the drop box are closely observed by poll workers, when there are no attendants, access to the drop box is not available.

                    As for long lines, I guess the DMV limits access too then.

                    Fuck yes it does, and having paid that price with three forms of validated I.D. to get the little gold star on the State issued photo I.D. card, that I.D. card should carry some weight.

                    Yet everyone who actually wants a driver's license or state ID seems to have no problem actually getting one.

                    We have wanted State IDs for our 17 & 19 year olds since they turned 16, and we don't have them yet. Life, one thing after another, COVID most recently, has conspired to take away our RoundTuits such that State IDs just haven't materialized for them yet. That's with unlimited opportunity for scheduling any day of the year. Even in Florida the voting window is only open for a few weeks per election.

                    If you want more polling places, make more polling places.

                    That's not in the control of the people voting, that's in control of the minority elected politicians who are desperately clinging to power any way they can, including limiting access to the polls.

                    You don't need proof of misdeeds to say that misdeeds are not just possible but dead simple and completely unaccountable.

                    What system of law permits suing for theoretical damages, instead of actual damages? The one in your head?

                    Just like one side can't get more polling places by saying they need more polling places, the other side shouldn't be able to use imaginary problems to restrict real access.

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