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posted by Fnord666 on Monday November 30 2020, @12:01AM   Printer-friendly
from the what-would-Linus-do? dept.

Linus Torvalds doubts Linux will get ported to Apple M1 hardware:

In a recent post on the Real World Technologies forum—one of the few public internet venues Linux founder Linus Torvalds is known to regularly visit—a user named Paul asked Torvalds, "What do you think of the new Apple laptop?"

If you've been living under a rock for the last few weeks, Apple released new versions of the Macbook Air, Macbook Pro, and Mac Mini featuring a brand-new processor—the Apple M1.

The M1 processor is a successor to the A12 and A14 Bionic CPUs used in iPhones and iPads, and pairs the battery and thermal efficiency of ultramobile designs with the high performance needed to compete strongly in the laptop and desktop world.

"I'd absolutely love to have one, if it just ran Linux," Torvalds replied. "I've been waiting for an ARM laptop that can run Linux for a long time. The new [Macbook] Air would be almost perfect, except for the OS."

[...] In an interview with ZDNet, Torvalds expounded on the problem:

The main problem with the M1 for me is the GPU and other devices around it, because that's likely what would hold me off using it because it wouldn't have any Linux support unless Apple opens up... [that] seems unlikely, but hey, you can always hope.

[...] It's also worth noting that while the M1 is unabashedly great, it's not the final word in desktop or laptop System on Chip designs. Torvalds mentions that, given a choice, he'd prefer more and higher-power cores—which is certainly possible and seems a likely request to be granted soon.

Previously: Apple's New ARM-Based Macs Won't Support Windows Through Boot Camp
Apple Claims that its M1 SoC for ARM-Based Macs Uses the World's Fastest CPU Core
Your New Apple Computer Isn't Yours


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  • (Score: 2) by takyon on Monday November 30 2020, @03:16AM

    by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Monday November 30 2020, @03:16AM (#1082221) Journal

    What part of my comment don't you agree with?

    I don't think x86 will die soon, and x86 and ARM will coexist for a long time to come. ARM is already very prevalent in HTPCs, SBCs (many capable of acting as desktops), smartphones, and tablets. It is in laptops [theverge.com], moreso in Chromebooks, but AMD x86 is coming back strong in both. Servers might be one of the worst markets for ARM because of resistance to change, but at least hyperscalers like Amazon can add their own ARM CPUs and rent them out, with low commitment from the renter.

    I just think it's interesting that smartphones, tablets, SBCs, etc. all pretty much end at 8 cores (MediaTek did produce some 10-12 core Helio SoCs for smartphones, but have pulled back), even though DynamIQ (the new big.LITTLE) allows up to 32 clusters with 8 cores each. Bloomberg reported in April that Apple was working on a 12-core SoC, and I believe they are probably planning to add even more cores to replace Xeon-based Mac Pros. So my guess is that other companies will start to boost core counts for things intended to be plugged into the wall, even if they still lag behind Apple A/M chips in single-threaded peformance and other areas.

    If Apple does decide to change architectures again, I think it would be a response to monolithic 3D chip development that increases performance by orders of magnitude. That would be a good time to throw everything out, go in a completely new direction, and emulate as needed. But they have the perpetual license and now a huge ecosystem of products using ARM.

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