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I may be 72," Maria Arredondo from Michigan told us when we called her. "But I'm alive and breathing. My mind is working fine and I'm healthy."
Maria said she had voted for Joe Biden and was surprised to hear that her name had appeared on a list of supposedly dead voters in the state.
We spoke to other people in similar situations to that of Maria in Michigan and found similar stories.
To test the list, we picked 30 names at random. To this we added the oldest person on the list.
Of this list of 31 names, we managed to speak directly to 11 people (or to a family member, neighbour or care home worker) to confirm they were still alive.
For 17 others, there was no public record of their death, and we found clear evidence that they were alive after the alleged date of death on the list of 10,000. A clear pattern emerged - the wrong records had been joined together to create a false match.
Finally, we found that three people on the list were indeed dead. We examine these cases later.
When we looked for another centenarian, who according to the list had died in 1977, we found that she had still been alive when her postal ballot was returned in September. However, a neighbour told us the woman had died just a few weeks ago. We also found a matching obituary from October to confirm this.
Two other men on our list of 31 died some time ago, yet votes had been cast in their names - with the correct postcodes and years of birth - according to the voting database.
We found that for both men, there were sons with the same name currently registered at the same address as their deceased fathers.
In both cases, a ballot was sent in for the dead fathers.
Local election officials told us that one of the votes had been counted but there was no record of the son having voted.
In the other, it was the son who actually voted, but it had been recorded as the father's due to a clerical error.
US Election 2020: The 'dead voters' in Michigan who are still alive
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Runaway1956 on Thursday December 10 2020, @11:31PM (33 children)
They'll multiply that 29 by 50 states, divide by 1 for the Newbenighted States, multiply by pi, and cube the result, wave a magic wand, then give a press release that "There was no widespread fraud!"
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday December 10 2020, @11:54PM (9 children)
Are you describing the electoral college?
Since you're all about simplicity, how about my proposal: the person with the most votes wins.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday December 11 2020, @03:20AM (8 children)
So you're comfortable with disenfranchising all residents of all states with rural populations?
I'll remind you again, we don't live in a democracy. We live in a republic. The popular vote was never intended to be decisive, in and of itself. 32 wolves and 3 sheep voting on what's for dinner is a democracy.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @04:24AM
The best part is knowing how you'd be howling if Democrats were in the Republican's positions. You'd be crying about democracy and how votes matter. You do realize that using "we're a republic" is totally at odds with your individualistic supposedly freedom oriented position? People should be able to control their lives, up until they disagree with you?
Typical.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @04:05PM
He Lost by 74 electors! Get over it!
(Score: 2) by cmdrklarg on Friday December 11 2020, @04:21PM (5 children)
Rural populations already have disproportionate power in the federal government: The US Senate.
California has 2 Senators and a population of about 40,000,000, so each represents about 20,000,000 people.
Wyoming has 2 Senators and a population of about 580,000, so each represents about 290,000 people. That's an almost 70x difference.
This also directly influences the Electoral College, as each state gets EC votes equal to the number of Reps and Senators. CA gets 55 EC votes, or one vote for every 727,273 voters. WY get 3 votes, or one for every 193,333 voters. WY state voter's power in the EC equals that of 3.75 CA state voter's.
So what exactly is so special about a WY voter that makes their vote more important than that of a CA voter? Why do you insist upon CA voters continuing to be disenfranchised?
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 0, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @06:22PM (1 child)
The solution is clear. 99% of California residents must be exterminated, to bring the population down to acceptable levels of representation.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @08:32PM
Alternatively, we could divide each Wyoming resident into 3.75 pieces, so the representation would be equal. With Wyomingites, it would be hard to tell any difference.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Friday December 11 2020, @08:02PM (2 children)
How many votes per acre is that?
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @10:51PM
California:
17495826 votes / 99.7 million acres = 0.1755 votes per acre
Wyoming:
278503 votes / 62.14 million acres = 0.004482 votes per acre
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 13 2020, @08:33PM
Unless you meant EC votes;
California:
55 votes / 99.7 million acres = 5.51654964895e-07 votes per acre (1,812,727 acres per vote)
Wyoming:
3 votes / 62.14 million acres = 4.82780817509e-08 votes per acre (20,713,333 acres per vote)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @12:07AM (3 children)
Once again, proven beyond a reasonable doubt, Runaway cain't do no math! That there's why he got busted for his logs when he drove truck. Didn't mean to lie, it just didn't add up, because he couldn't.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @12:52AM (2 children)
Word is that Runaway discovered loose-leaf logs early in his career. No logbooks. Make the math work, quickly and simply. But, I'm sure that's over your head, Ari.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @08:21AM (1 child)
'Mazing! Like to 85% of the time, I can get them to think I are Ari! Ha! Don't even know who Ari is! Who is this "Ari" of whom you speak?
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @09:01AM
I get that too. I checked my post history and it only occurs when I use an exclamation mark. It appears a number of people think he has some sort of monopoly on that particular punctuation or sentence construction.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @12:29AM
Funny how liberals accepted at least two election results where they won the popular vote and where GOP voter disenfranchisement was real. Sorta like one group of people believe in the rule of law whether it conforms to their liking while another group acts like a bunch of spoiled children when they don't get their way. Just a thought.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @01:26AM (17 children)
For someone on 'neither side', you seem rather invested in the conspiracy that Biden stole the election.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday December 11 2020, @03:06AM (15 children)
Where there's smoke, there's fire, I've heard. There are too many instances where funny shit happened, and I have zero faith in the election machines. I want to see the computer forensic experts turned loose on the voting machines, but I guess that's not going to happen. They could answer pretty definitively that there was hacking going on, or there was no hacking going on. The physical ballot forensics is out of the question - those ballots with no signature, those with late postmarks, etc can never be checked at this late date.
Transparent? I thought Dems were all about transparency, except when said transparency might have negative results for their agenda.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @03:17AM (11 children)
Please. If the experts didn't find anything, you'd just move the posts again. Either they were in on the conspiracy too, or they checked the machines after they were wiped, or the hack was so good it is completely undetectable, or whatever crazy excuse the paranoia machine comes up with.
(Score: 2, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Friday December 11 2020, @03:21AM (9 children)
Cofucious say 'Do not mess with the guy who moves the goalposts, he may rap you on the head with one of the posts.'
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday December 11 2020, @04:28PM (8 children)
Is that like swearing up and down you have piles of evidence of fraud then when you get in front of the judge claiming the fraud is undetectable?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @08:06PM (6 children)
Their "evidence" is every bit as good as your Russiagator bullshit. And no less entertaining.
So hey, what's up with Hunter? Will he slide like Don Jr.?
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @08:47PM
It's up to President Harris to decide that.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @11:04PM (4 children)
Funny how the Russian collusion angle has real evidence you can find in the Mueller report, and that is with the investigation being specifically forbidden from investigating the POTUS and with Barr deliberately lying about the report's contents. Hint: Mueller specifically said the report does not exonerate Trump. But again, here I am explaining reality to a crazy person.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 13 2020, @06:37PM (3 children)
No, there was no evidence, no recordings, no receipts, no pictures, nothing but pure hearsay from gossipy bureaucrats, including the very same James Clapper that lied about the NSA's ubiquitous spying, and there's the intelligence agencies that lied us into war in Afghanistan/Iraq. Your Russiagate is pure bullshit, but by all means, continue your insane blame passing... talking to a crazy person indeed!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday December 14 2020, @08:18AM (2 children)
You should actually read the report instead of parroting what some internet trolls tell you to believe.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 16 2020, @03:22AM (1 child)
I did, there is no evidence, only gossip.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 16 2020, @06:43AM
Clearly you did not.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 13 2020, @03:57AM
Maybe they would have better luck if they hired real experts. [washingtonpost.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @05:12AM
Don't worry. Trump will be considered part of the Deep State in a few more months. Loony right conspiracy theories are a moving target.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @04:43PM (1 child)
It's amazing that Runaway thinks the Democrats are too dumb for anything and yet they can rig an election and leave no evidence of that rigging. Actually it's amazing that Runaway thinks.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 11 2020, @10:53PM
Fascism depends on an enemy that is simultaneously strong and weak.
(Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Sunday December 13 2020, @07:05PM
Who could it possibly be? Russia??
Wow.. You really gotta stop reading the gossip rags!
Who cares what goes on between republicans and democrats? It's the independents that got fucked. And McConnell's reelection looks mighty suspicious, would explain his happy confident demeanor throughout the campaign
La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Friday December 11 2020, @04:14PM
Remember when Sleepy Joe was suffering from dementia and mental decline, like, a months ago?
That's quite a feat for a mental retard, a massive "undetectable" conspiracy that defrauded the elections in several states...