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posted by n1 on Sunday September 28 2014, @06:27AM   Printer-friendly
from the yet-another-systemd-story dept.

Controversy is nothing new when it comes to systemd. Many people find this new Linux init system to be inherently flawed in most ways, yet it is still gaining traction with major distros like Arch Linux, openSUSE, Fedora, and soon both Ubuntu and Debian GNU/Linux. The adoption of systemd for Debian 8 "Jessie" has been particularly fraught with strife and animosity.

Some have described the systemd adoption process as having been a "coup", while others are vowing to stick with Debian 7 as long as possible before moving to another distro. Others are so upset by what they see as a complete betrayal of the Debian and open source communities that there is serious discussion about forking Debian. Regardless of one's stance toward systemd, it cannot be argued that it has become one of the most divisive and disruptive changes in the long history of the Debian project, threatening to destroy both the project and the community that has built up around it.

 
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  • (Score: 4, Informative) by LookIntoTheFuture on Sunday September 28 2014, @07:29AM

    by LookIntoTheFuture (462) on Sunday September 28 2014, @07:29AM (#99102)
    http://www.debianuserforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=3031 [debianuserforums.org]
    (This is the last link in the summary)

    I guess it was all a matter of time before Debian got tainted by corporate interests. So long, Debian! You've given me a choice, and I choose the highway.
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  • (Score: 2) by LookIntoTheFuture on Sunday September 28 2014, @07:37AM

    by LookIntoTheFuture (462) on Sunday September 28 2014, @07:37AM (#99105)

    systemd criticisms silenced

    • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Sunday September 28 2014, @08:04AM

      by aristarchus (2645) on Sunday September 28 2014, @08:04AM (#99108) Journal

      Do you seriously think that that was a typo? Their critics are sillienced!

      • (Score: 3, Funny) by maxwell demon on Sunday September 28 2014, @09:54AM

        by maxwell demon (1608) on Sunday September 28 2014, @09:54AM (#99130) Journal

        Ah, I see a new flamewar coming up: Between the proponents of the silience daemon and the proponents of the silence daemon. ;-)

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        • (Score: 2, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 28 2014, @11:32AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 28 2014, @11:32AM (#99152)

          I lold. (lol daemon)

  • (Score: 1) by Arik on Sunday September 28 2014, @08:58AM

    by Arik (4543) on Sunday September 28 2014, @08:58AM (#99119) Journal
    This was pretty much inevitable from the moment they started allowing 'volunteers' who were actually corporate employees.
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  • (Score: 2, Flamebait) by darkfeline on Sunday September 28 2014, @10:00PM

    by darkfeline (1030) on Sunday September 28 2014, @10:00PM (#99363) Homepage

    Stop spreading more FUD. If you look at the supposed "systemd criticisms", they were inflammatory and deserved to be silenced


    Don Armstrong

    6:26 PM (11 hours ago)

    to listmasters, me
    On Thu, 25 Sep 2014, Gregory Smith wrote:
    > That is the story, that is what has happened. They have taken our
    > Linux distribution from us. The Frenchman above me is one of that
    > number.

    On Thu, 25 Sep 2014, Gregory Smith wrote:
    > This was an orchestrated fraudulent oligarchic takeover and charges
    > need to be brought agains you and them.

    These messages are off topic and inflammatory and have no place on
    -user.

    Further messages along these lines may result in removing your ability
    to post to -user or additional Debian mailing lists without further
    warning.

    --
    Don Armstrong http://www.donarmstrong.com/ [donarmstrong.com]

    This isn't life in the fast lane, it's life in the oncoming traffic
    -- Terry Pratchett

    Running around shouting "Systemd apocalypse is HAAAPENNINGG" will convince no one except other children like you.

    Now, there does seem to be a few good points in there from a quick skim, but all of them are accompanied by some version of "Lennart's cabal" or "Lennart POETTERING, PULSE-SHIT". Can the systemd-haters refrain from fear-mongering and ad-hominem, for maybe a week? long enough for a level-headed discussion to take place.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 28 2014, @11:13PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 28 2014, @11:13PM (#99383)

      Oh systemd, Oh systemd
      Thy features are creeping
      Oh systemd, Oh systemd
      Thy features are creeping
      Taking over syslog, udev and cron
      Why, oh why can I not logon
      Oh systemd, Oh systemd
      Thy features are creeping

      Oh systemd, Oh systemd
      Much pain thou can give me
      Oh systemd, Oh systemd
      Much pain thou can give me
      How often has the binary log
      Corrupted X��[Kak�N��QS�� ��$tt(P�-#13
      Oh systemd, Oh systemd
      Much pain thou can give me

      Oh systemd, Oh systemd
      How poorly implemented are ye?
      Oh systemd, Oh systemd
      How poorly implemented are ye?
      Thou boots up fast but treacherous be
      You fuck up Unix unapologetically
      Oh systemd, Oh systemd
      How poorly implemented are ye?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 28 2014, @11:56PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 28 2014, @11:56PM (#99395)

        This briefly made the pain of systemd go away. But it roared back, like only a systemd infection can do.

    • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 29 2014, @12:04AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 29 2014, @12:04AM (#99399)

      Have you seen what has happened to Firefox? Have you seen what has happened to GNOME? Those are two projects that have been utterly destroyed thanks to stupidity like we're seeing with systemd. It's utter, utter stupidity, and the end result is always the same: the project that's infected ends up dead.

      Firefox is well under 10% of the market now. GNOME 3 is a complete disaster. They're dead projects, for all intents and purposes. Maybe they'll still put out releases, but they've only got a very small number of users remaining.

      Nobody is crying wolf here. Systemd is a serious problem, and it looks like it's going to tear apart the Debian project. If Debian does manage to survive, it will be a severely wounded project. There are many long-time Debian users who are feeling very betrayed over how this inferior technology has been forced upon them, and they will move to another distro that doesn't make such asinine decisions about such critical software.

      The only projects that are going to win out of all of this are Gentoo and FreeBSD, and maybe Slackware. They're the only ones showing any sense in this matter.

    • (Score: 2) by LookIntoTheFuture on Monday September 29 2014, @08:00AM

      by LookIntoTheFuture (462) on Monday September 29 2014, @08:00AM (#99499)

      children like you.

      I am not a child. Attacking me personally isn't going to solve anything. Silencing speech is a bad idea. Does that really need to be said? People are angry for some very good reasons. Let them speak.

      • (Score: 2) by etherscythe on Monday September 29 2014, @10:12PM

        by etherscythe (937) on Monday September 29 2014, @10:12PM (#99802) Journal

        By way of comparison, what do you suppose would happen if we applied the same standard to Linus Torvalds? Is he qualified to speak on this matter perhaps? He hasn't, really, but I expect he'd have some choice words on the subject if he cared one way or another. Somehow I think calling him a child is not what we would do, and he would probably still be right.

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